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@VisceraEyes If you show that nested quote you'll see that he says "if you are town".
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You'll also notice that he completely disregards the fact that I'm wholeheartedly down with a BH lynch as if he's not even reading the fucking thread prplhz. He goes on and on about how I'm scum, but suddenly changes heart, says a BH lynch is more prudent, makes sure to say he still thinks I'm scum, but appeals to me for help getting BH lynched? Even though I'm totally down with a BH lynch?!
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On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
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I see you know how to copy/paste. That's a good skill to have.
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No comment on me owning your steaming pile of shit case?
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On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 06:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Okay deadline soon and class as well (so even if I'm alive I won't be on till much later. Midterms  ) My thoughts ATM: If I die, 100% kill Dr. H. Last time when he was scum I pressured him (albeit harder and during the day, since I actually had time) and then ended up dying. Right now his actions are weird in that certain things he is saying make sense, but other things do not. I'm not very sure on his alignment and many of the things he said recently (particularly what he pointed out about RoL's stance on BC and his agreement with me about VE) make sense. If I'm alive I'll have to strongly reconsider my thoughts on him. Gut says scum, and I can't figure out why. VE and RoL are both good lynches for today, IMO. I would also support killing prplhz, who has been completely inactive over the last 24 hours and said some incredibly strange things day 1. He seemed to sheep syllo just to sheep syllo, with no real opinions of his own. Sure, it's great to follow syllo's lead if he's town, but not everything syllo says is infallible (and yes, if I die please please please listen to syllogism. If he's scum he won't keep the charade up long since his scum confidence is low but at this point I doubt he actually is scum.) VE is a good lynch basically because he said BC was null but then he repeatedly called him scum. His actions don't line up with his words and his scum list, as Dr. h said, looks very similar to the bs he was writing in Arkham City. RoL is a good lynch because he voted redFF but said BC was scummy. I hope this gets in on time Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
Alright I'm not gonna be back till later:
##vote VisceraEyes
Points of note:
-said BC was "null" but also somehow scummy enough to vote
-has written fluff posts that are incredibly similar to those from Arkham City
-calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it
Let me just attack the points of note, because they're easier to digest and they pretty clearly outline his entire gripe with me. - "said BC was "null" but aslo somehow scummy enough to vote"First of all, here is the post I assume WBG is referring to. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 12:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
FUCK Jackal - I'd had myself convinced it was Thursday all day - your appearance in the thread has reminded me that it's not.
X(
Well, while you're here (smashing all my dreams), how about you help me out with something. Can YOU explain what is townie about BC's behavior/defenses that had everyone unwilling to lynch him? I'm not seeing it. All I see are a few angrily and hastily thrown together posts which doesn't really much indicate town to me, although it does indicate null as fuck to me which taken with his behavior the rest of the day seems incriminating enough.... I never EVER said that BC himself was "null". I said that the action of him angrily and hastily throwing together posts was null as fuck. I then go on to say that with the rest of BC's behavior outside the anger and hasty annoyed posts, referring to his nudge of redFF, lack of commitment to a read of red, failure to address the concerns I brought forward after his first appearance in thread, etc., seems incriminating to me. This post is me asking Jackal why the fuck BC lived and redFF died after claiming Tracker. I never at any point say that I have a 'null' read on BC, I'm not in the business of pushing my 'null' reads' wagons to the very last minute.
So you've stooped to discussing semantics, I see.
On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
-"has written fluff posts similar to BCAC"
This is cute, especially coming from WBG. Mafia is a social game. If all I've been doing had been making fluff posts with no content, this would be a valid point. However, I've put forward more content in D1 than WBG has all game. Easily. EASILY WBG FUCKING HANDS DOWN.
If by content you mean repeatedly calling me scum (which I don't consider content because you're wrong) and sheeping syllo's case on BC after contradicting yourself on redFF, sure.
This is incredibly funny since you actually accused me of being wishy washy on redFF...when you basically did the opposite of what I did! You went from calling redFF sure scum to voting BC when the votes on redFF started getting serious.
On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:-"calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it"This is....hilarious. Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 16:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 22 2012 16:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 22 2012 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
And BC is your strongest read right now Syllo? Like, without question?
Did you ever get around to looking at the whole WBG/chaoser thing sir? I feel like that exchange means something. chaoser's defense was solid, but I didn't mind WBG's attack either.
However, chaoser still seems to be interested in finding scum, while WBG has only recently been calling red scum...he's been tunneled in on chaoser ever since that argument.
I'm starting to get a red read on WBG. did you just accuse me of tunneling chaoser? LOL. I guess you don't know what tunneling means. If you want to see me tunneling chaoser, look at Steamship. stfu scum! (<3)
Quoting a joke post as "calling me scum" lololol
On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote:VisceraEyes Lynch List of Storm's EndBloodyC0bbler - My complaints echo the complaints of players such as DocH and Syllogism...he's had plenty of opportunity to come look for scum - he hasn't. He placed a vote on redFF without saying whether he thought he was scum or not. I was less than satisfied with his responses to my posts, and I've been unimpressed with his effort so far in the game. I voted for this guy in L, and while I was herpin and a derpin, he was finding scum and establishing his innocence. wherebugsgo - WBG has similarly not been interested in finding scum. He called chaoser scum lightly at the beginning of the day, but it looked more like an excuse to get into a conversation with him than anything. This is directly after he just got done buddying him in his introduction post.  Followed up with calling redFF bad ad nauseum. Very clear to not say scum - only very bad. Suddenly this all changes after red sheeps after Jackal? Sheeping is something scum and town do in equal parts - verily, many a veteran townies count on a few sheep to push their agendas. Claims that most of what red has done can be explained 'with scum motivations'. Fails to elaborate or support this idea. Just throws it out there.RebirthOfLegenD - my weakest read - I'm really only interested in showing RoL rope if he doesn't start looking for scum. This redFF wagon essentially pushed itself, and he's making it his MISSION to make it happen. I don't even know if RoL thinks red is scum or not. But it's pretty clear that he wants red to die. TODAY. I can support a lynch of any of these three players, my preference is WBG, followed by BC, with RoL being my least favorite choice.
Admittedly I actually never saw this post. That's completely my bad. My bad.
On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Doc that this doesn't have to be a conspiracy thing - this is WBG's strategy regardless of his alignment as far as I'm aware - get someone flustered, see if they slip up (town)/call their reactions scummy (scum). However, taken with the rest of his play, I agree with you that he's probably scum trying to fluster you this game. Radfield was leading scum unlike I've seen a vet lead a scumteam before, and I've been on a few scumteams here. I probably wouldn't take those quotes to be 'general scum strategy' here...although, I haven't played with you enough to know if you're REALLY that dangerous or not.
I'm aware I haven't responded to your case against me - I'll get around to it. Please keep that in mind regardless of what you perceive my alignment to be...sound observation is sound.
Okay, this is deliberate misrepresentation.
You bring up a post that calls me scum AFTER I say that, and use that as a reference for when you called me scum?
Okay, I was in the process of dropping you as a scum candidate because of some of the things you said, but this is deliberate misrepresentation and it is scummy as fuck. I really highly doubt a townie would try to make another player look bad by taking something that happened AFTER I said something to simply try and prove a point.
On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
WBG is latching onto DocH's case without doing a thing himself. He's not even interested in my side, he hasn't asked questions, he's just throwing shit to see what sticks. Nothing is going to fucking stick. Because it's all bullshit. It's a bullshit case built on someone else's legwork who (no offense Doc) is probably just pissed that I had them fooled last game with my scum play.
I never even read Doctor H's case on you, because quite honestly I stopped paying attention to Dr. H after I stopped pressuring him at the end of the night phase.
On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's bouncing around, hoping someone somewhere will take what he's doing as effort, but I think most everyone here is smarter than that.
the fuck?
I'm pretty sure that's what Blazinghand is doing.
At any rate, what's annoying me is that I can't reconcile the stark differences in your play. You've either become considerably harder to read as scum or you've gone back to being shitty at town.
There's the proving a point thing and your overall stretching to call me scum that makes you look really scummy, but then your overall effort and presence look like what you did in Responsibility.
On February 24 2012 13:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
You'll also notice that he completely disregards the fact that I'm wholeheartedly down with a BH lynch as if he's not even reading the fucking thread prplhz. He goes on and on about how I'm scum, but suddenly changes heart, says a BH lynch is more prudent, makes sure to say he still thinks I'm scum, but appeals to me for help getting BH lynched? Even though I'm totally down with a BH lynch?!
HOW DOES CHANGING YOUR MIND MAKE YOU SCUM?
If you are actually town, ask yourself that.
On February 24 2012 13:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
The fact that BH unvoted BC after one post and has so far done jack shit is indicative that he has no vested interest in actually finding scum. Indeed, in his own post he admits that the case he wrote isn't even his own case. It's like he doesn't want to take heat for pushing BC but wants to be a part of the (now seemingly dead) bandwagon.
Also what's funny is that VE is still saying BC is scum but hasn't voted him yet. Get ready for the pain WBG. It's coming. I'm hyping because your butt is going to be SOOOOOOO HUUUUURT. if you are town you are fucking retarded for not seeing how scummy BH is right now I mean, you're just clearly not even paying attention. So I'm going to stop responding to you until I respond to your case. wtf is this opposite day? BH JUST CLAIMED SCUM stop being thick and start reading I don't know if everyone else quit reading WBG's derp when I did, but I just noticed this: our first vote of the day was WBG on me, based on a shoddy 'case'. Now, I hadn't refuted his nonsense yet, in fact had done nothing but antagonize him. Yet this post seems to indicate that he knows I'm town. Why would he tell me to 'stop being thick and start reading' if he actually thinks I'm scum? Why would I give a shit if BH claimed scum if I were his scum-buddy? WBG is scum guys, and he claimed it hilariously by telling me that BH claimed scum. How's that for irony?
Stretching.
That's what you are doing to try and make me look like I'm scum.
It's as if you've assumed I'm scum and then based everything I've said around that assumption, which is quite frankly retarded. That's probably why I'm so annoyed right now, because I can't fathom how stupid someone must be to think I am scum this game.
I'm recalling something Toad said before, and I now feel his pain lol. It was something like "everyone calls me scum when I'm town and when I'm scum I look uber town". roughly
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On February 24 2012 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 06:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Okay deadline soon and class as well (so even if I'm alive I won't be on till much later. Midterms ) My thoughts ATM: If I die, 100% kill Dr. H. Last time when he was scum I pressured him (albeit harder and during the day, since I actually had time) and then ended up dying. Right now his actions are weird in that certain things he is saying make sense, but other things do not. I'm not very sure on his alignment and many of the things he said recently (particularly what he pointed out about RoL's stance on BC and his agreement with me about VE) make sense. If I'm alive I'll have to strongly reconsider my thoughts on him. Gut says scum, and I can't figure out why. VE and RoL are both good lynches for today, IMO. I would also support killing prplhz, who has been completely inactive over the last 24 hours and said some incredibly strange things day 1. He seemed to sheep syllo just to sheep syllo, with no real opinions of his own. Sure, it's great to follow syllo's lead if he's town, but not everything syllo says is infallible (and yes, if I die please please please listen to syllogism. If he's scum he won't keep the charade up long since his scum confidence is low but at this point I doubt he actually is scum.) VE is a good lynch basically because he said BC was null but then he repeatedly called him scum. His actions don't line up with his words and his scum list, as Dr. h said, looks very similar to the bs he was writing in Arkham City. RoL is a good lynch because he voted redFF but said BC was scummy. I hope this gets in on time On February 24 2012 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
Alright I'm not gonna be back till later:
##vote VisceraEyes
Points of note:
-said BC was "null" but also somehow scummy enough to vote
-has written fluff posts that are incredibly similar to those from Arkham City
-calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it
Let me just attack the points of note, because they're easier to digest and they pretty clearly outline his entire gripe with me. - "said BC was "null" but aslo somehow scummy enough to vote"First of all, here is the post I assume WBG is referring to. On February 23 2012 12:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
FUCK Jackal - I'd had myself convinced it was Thursday all day - your appearance in the thread has reminded me that it's not.
X(
Well, while you're here (smashing all my dreams), how about you help me out with something. Can YOU explain what is townie about BC's behavior/defenses that had everyone unwilling to lynch him? I'm not seeing it. All I see are a few angrily and hastily thrown together posts which doesn't really much indicate town to me, although it does indicate null as fuck to me which taken with his behavior the rest of the day seems incriminating enough.... I never EVER said that BC himself was "null". I said that the action of him angrily and hastily throwing together posts was null as fuck. I then go on to say that with the rest of BC's behavior outside the anger and hasty annoyed posts, referring to his nudge of redFF, lack of commitment to a read of red, failure to address the concerns I brought forward after his first appearance in thread, etc., seems incriminating to me. This post is me asking Jackal why the fuck BC lived and redFF died after claiming Tracker. I never at any point say that I have a 'null' read on BC, I'm not in the business of pushing my 'null' reads' wagons to the very last minute. So you've stooped to discussing semantics, I see. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
-"has written fluff posts similar to BCAC"
This is cute, especially coming from WBG. Mafia is a social game. If all I've been doing had been making fluff posts with no content, this would be a valid point. However, I've put forward more content in D1 than WBG has all game. Easily. EASILY WBG FUCKING HANDS DOWN. If by content you mean repeatedly calling me scum (which I don't consider content because you're wrong) and sheeping syllo's case on BC after contradicting yourself on redFF, sure. This is incredibly funny since you actually accused me of being wishy washy on redFF...when you basically did the opposite of what I did! You went from calling redFF sure scum to voting BC when the votes on redFF started getting serious. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:-"calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it"This is....hilarious. On February 22 2012 16:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 22 2012 16:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 22 2012 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
And BC is your strongest read right now Syllo? Like, without question?
Did you ever get around to looking at the whole WBG/chaoser thing sir? I feel like that exchange means something. chaoser's defense was solid, but I didn't mind WBG's attack either.
However, chaoser still seems to be interested in finding scum, while WBG has only recently been calling red scum...he's been tunneled in on chaoser ever since that argument.
I'm starting to get a red read on WBG. did you just accuse me of tunneling chaoser? LOL. I guess you don't know what tunneling means. If you want to see me tunneling chaoser, look at Steamship. stfu scum! (<3) Quoting a joke post as "calling me scum" lololol Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 22 2012 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote:VisceraEyes Lynch List of Storm's EndBloodyC0bbler - My complaints echo the complaints of players such as DocH and Syllogism...he's had plenty of opportunity to come look for scum - he hasn't. He placed a vote on redFF without saying whether he thought he was scum or not. I was less than satisfied with his responses to my posts, and I've been unimpressed with his effort so far in the game. I voted for this guy in L, and while I was herpin and a derpin, he was finding scum and establishing his innocence. wherebugsgo - WBG has similarly not been interested in finding scum. He called chaoser scum lightly at the beginning of the day, but it looked more like an excuse to get into a conversation with him than anything. This is directly after he just got done buddying him in his introduction post. Followed up with calling redFF bad ad nauseum. Very clear to not say scum - only very bad. Suddenly this all changes after red sheeps after Jackal? Sheeping is something scum and town do in equal parts - verily, many a veteran townies count on a few sheep to push their agendas. Claims that most of what red has done can be explained 'with scum motivations'. Fails to elaborate or support this idea. Just throws it out there.RebirthOfLegenD - my weakest read - I'm really only interested in showing RoL rope if he doesn't start looking for scum. This redFF wagon essentially pushed itself, and he's making it his MISSION to make it happen. I don't even know if RoL thinks red is scum or not. But it's pretty clear that he wants red to die. TODAY. I can support a lynch of any of these three players, my preference is WBG, followed by BC, with RoL being my least favorite choice. Admittedly I actually never saw this post. That's completely my bad. My bad. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Doc that this doesn't have to be a conspiracy thing - this is WBG's strategy regardless of his alignment as far as I'm aware - get someone flustered, see if they slip up (town)/call their reactions scummy (scum). However, taken with the rest of his play, I agree with you that he's probably scum trying to fluster you this game. Radfield was leading scum unlike I've seen a vet lead a scumteam before, and I've been on a few scumteams here. I probably wouldn't take those quotes to be 'general scum strategy' here...although, I haven't played with you enough to know if you're REALLY that dangerous or not.
I'm aware I haven't responded to your case against me - I'll get around to it. Please keep that in mind regardless of what you perceive my alignment to be...sound observation is sound. Okay, this is deliberate misrepresentation. You bring up a post that calls me scum AFTER I say that, and use that as a reference for when you called me scum? Okay, I was in the process of dropping you as a scum candidate because of some of the things you said, but this is deliberate misrepresentation and it is scummy as fuck. I really highly doubt a townie would try to make another player look bad by taking something that happened AFTER I said something to simply try and prove a point. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
WBG is latching onto DocH's case without doing a thing himself. He's not even interested in my side, he hasn't asked questions, he's just throwing shit to see what sticks. Nothing is going to fucking stick. Because it's all bullshit. It's a bullshit case built on someone else's legwork who (no offense Doc) is probably just pissed that I had them fooled last game with my scum play. I never even read Doctor H's case on you, because quite honestly I stopped paying attention to Dr. H after I stopped pressuring him at the end of the night phase. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's bouncing around, hoping someone somewhere will take what he's doing as effort, but I think most everyone here is smarter than that. the fuck? I'm pretty sure that's what Blazinghand is doing. At any rate, what's annoying me is that I can't reconcile the stark differences in your play. You've either become considerably harder to read as scum or you've gone back to being shitty at town. There's the proving a point thing and your overall stretching to call me scum that makes you look really scummy, but then your overall effort and presence look like what you did in Responsibility. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
You'll also notice that he completely disregards the fact that I'm wholeheartedly down with a BH lynch as if he's not even reading the fucking thread prplhz. He goes on and on about how I'm scum, but suddenly changes heart, says a BH lynch is more prudent, makes sure to say he still thinks I'm scum, but appeals to me for help getting BH lynched? Even though I'm totally down with a BH lynch?!
HOW DOES CHANGING YOUR MIND MAKE YOU SCUM? If you are actually town, ask yourself that. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now.
The fact that BH unvoted BC after one post and has so far done jack shit is indicative that he has no vested interest in actually finding scum. Indeed, in his own post he admits that the case he wrote isn't even his own case. It's like he doesn't want to take heat for pushing BC but wants to be a part of the (now seemingly dead) bandwagon.
Also what's funny is that VE is still saying BC is scum but hasn't voted him yet. Get ready for the pain WBG. It's coming. I'm hyping because your butt is going to be SOOOOOOO HUUUUURT. if you are town you are fucking retarded for not seeing how scummy BH is right now I mean, you're just clearly not even paying attention. So I'm going to stop responding to you until I respond to your case. wtf is this opposite day? BH JUST CLAIMED SCUM stop being thick and start reading I don't know if everyone else quit reading WBG's derp when I did, but I just noticed this: our first vote of the day was WBG on me, based on a shoddy 'case'. Now, I hadn't refuted his nonsense yet, in fact had done nothing but antagonize him. Yet this post seems to indicate that he knows I'm town. Why would he tell me to 'stop being thick and start reading' if he actually thinks I'm scum? Why would I give a shit if BH claimed scum if I were his scum-buddy? WBG is scum guys, and he claimed it hilariously by telling me that BH claimed scum. How's that for irony? Stretching. That's what you are doing to try and make me look like I'm scum. It's as if you've assumed I'm scum and then based everything I've said around that assumption, which is quite frankly retarded. That's probably why I'm so annoyed right now, because I can't fathom how stupid someone must be to think I am scum this game. I'm recalling something Toad said before, and I now feel his pain lol. It was something like "everyone calls me scum when I'm town and when I'm scum I look uber town". roughly
I think you're scum because I have to beat posts like this out of you Bugs. What the holy fuck do you expect? Also you're acting scummy as fuck, so why the hell wouldn't I think you're scum.
UGH.
If you're scum and you're willing to gift me Blazinghand, I'm willing to let you live and convince me otherwise (much like I'm doing with BC - NOT being wishywashy you ass.) Blazinghand however is basically screaming his scuminess from the mountaintop, never giving a fuck who's around to hear.
I'm gonna put my vote down now....slowly.
SLOWLY BUGS
##Unvote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: Blazinghand
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On February 24 2012 13:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
No comment on me owning your steaming pile of shit case?
okay fuck it this post is actually important
solely based on your arrogance and confidence, and since I don't think you'd have the balls as scum to get in a head to head fight with me, I don't think you're scum.
I also think some of the things you've pointed out are too true for you to be scum. Example, this:
On February 24 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 07:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:WBG Check his filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=60039You will notice the majority of the first page is spent calling other players bad. He spends many many many long posts describing RedFF's meta, calling him a bad player, only to come to the conclusion that this means RedFF is unreadable and thus not worth really lynching. The page ends with some of the most wishy washy play I've ever seen. The problem with redFF is, how do you tell? I suppose we could just lynch him anyway, but then we aren't really lynching someone we surely think is scum. At that point we're just lynching to punish bad play.
While I'm not opposed to lynching people who play badly in this game, I think we can look into finding scum in people who are easier to read than redFF. Reading players who are generally detrimental when they play town has never been my strong suit. We can lynch RedFF, but it's probably not good, but then again I'm not really opposed to it but let's try something else If the missing/no-flip/whatever it is thing is indeed a scum power, I don't think scum would unanimously support that lynch, or any lynch in the game for that matter really. On February 21 2012 14:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 21 2012 14:26 Blazinghand wrote:
So your contention is "redFF is playing as bad town rather than scum", and although lynching bad town isn't the worst thing we could do, it's substantially preferable to lynch scum. This is a fair point. I will reread thread. you're still wrong, but whatever. My contention is that I have no clue what redFF's alignment is because he's capable of being like this regardless. Thus, he very well could be town, yes. Whether he is or not at this point I have no idea. A lynch on someone like that is purely an information lynch (although it would take a detrimental player out, that's true) I am not insinuating that he is town nor scum because I honestly don't know (and for now, don't care.) if I were a vig and I had no better choice I'd definitely shoot him, though. However I'm certain better choices will appear today. I will flush them out of their caves if they are hiding. I find this post quite amusing considering WBG has called me scum for having "no backbone" and not making a super strong scum read on Day 1. Apply your own logic to your own play please. but makes it apparent that redFF never really had a case on Toad to begin with. It certainly seemed like he just said "I think Toad is scum" to get heat off himself. While chaoser has done scummy things, this is scummier than anything chaoser has done. I doubt scum redFF would publically announce "good job i took your bait" but it is a suspect post nonetheless. WBG seems more interested in upsetting me and keeping me flustered than making a real case. This is literally the exact strategy scum devised to deal with me in Arkham City where he was scum. Radfield knew I would be a threat if somebody didn't distract/harass me because to be honest as town I am horrible under pressure and a threat otherwise. Huge reason I'm trying to slow down and keep it cool this game. Posting so much in Arkham City kept me out of the loop and distracted more than anything and I performed terribly in that game past maybe the first half of the first day. Quotes from the AC scum QT: "JJ, if you want to go after DocH, please do. Timezones aren't that important, and neither is getting into direct arguments... motivation is  . The important thing is that post you think he is scum(and why), and try to convince others. He needs to be spending his time defending himself, and not spending his time digging around. DocH is very strong if you let him run freely." "One of us becomes the DocH harasser. They push him from the get go, and ideally even argue with him." "DocH is extremely solid if you let him get his feet under him, so we need to rattle him and keep him rattled. I think one of our team members goals should be to keep DocH off balance and call him scum at every turn" (all from radfield directing the other mafia) This "pressure" you're putting on me is bullshit. I'm asking simple questions (something that you seem to have no problem doing) and you're making it out to seem that I'm really upset and defensive. If, in fact, WBG is scum this does absolutely nothing to clear VE or RoL. In the AC quicktopic you can see WBG and others calling out and criticizing VE's play and he'd make kind of the ideal target for a bus. It is what it is. I'll be reading more closely to determine where my first vote will go. I'm torn between RoL, WBG, and Dirkzor and really need to see how VisceraEyes and BloodyC0bbler play today. I hope you have a real response instead of some stupid ass one liner like "you scum bro" or "wow haha so defensive you're scum" while you wait for your team to help you formulate a real response Doc that this doesn't have to be a conspiracy thing - this is WBG's strategy regardless of his alignment as far as I'm aware - get someone flustered, see if they slip up (town)/call their reactions scummy (scum). However, taken with the rest of his play, I agree with you that he's probably scum trying to fluster you this game. Radfield was leading scum unlike I've seen a vet lead a scumteam before, and I've been on a few scumteams here. I probably wouldn't take those quotes to be 'general scum strategy' here...although, I haven't played with you enough to know if you're REALLY that dangerous or not.
However, your logic is shit.
Yes, I poke people regardless of alignment because my style of play is actually very similar to Palmar's (and we've talked about this once IIRC).
However, I don't even know if you've ever even seen me play town, so I don't know where you get the idea that my play this game is somehow different from my town play. How can you even say that if you've never even seen my town play to begin with?
Like, the only games I can recall playing with you are Responsibility and Arkham, both of which I was scum.
I just remembered we played in L and we were both town IIRC. And you called me scum repeatedly after like a day or two. Now I remember why I think your town play is atrocious -_-
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
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On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist.
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On February 24 2012 13:07 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes If you show that nested quote you'll see that he says "if you are town".
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On February 24 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist.
calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum.
it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day.
I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough.
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On February 24 2012 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist. calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum. it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day. I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough.
I get the tactic, but it's annoying as piss and makes people trying to rationally find scum wade through this shit and wonder if you're being manipulative scum or just an asshole townie.
And you've been defending BC. Like WHY THE FUCK bugs? And what about syllo's play is reading scum to you? These are the things I'm having difficulty reconciling.
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On February 24 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist. calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum. it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day. I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough. I get the tactic, but it's annoying as piss and makes people trying to rationally find scum wade through this shit and wonder if you're being manipulative scum or just an asshole townie. And you've been defending BC. Like WHY THE FUCK bugs? And what about syllo's play is reading scum to you? These are the things I'm having difficulty reconciling.
We should just lynch risk and/or BC. Or risk.
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/facepalm
I gotta finish up here and head home...I'll be back in a bit.
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On February 24 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 24 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL)
You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist. calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum. it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day. I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough. I get the tactic, but it's annoying as piss and makes people trying to rationally find scum wade through this shit and wonder if you're being manipulative scum or just an asshole townie. And you've been defending BC. Like WHY THE FUCK bugs? And what about syllo's play is reading scum to you? These are the things I'm having difficulty reconciling.
Why not? BC's not been playing like scum to me. Nothing he's done has stood out.
And what? I don't recall calling syllo scum.
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wow i'm not terrible all the time
i .. i don't know what to say... i need a moment .. tearing up here
Anyway, can you tell me why BloodyC0bbler hasn't been playing like scum? I'm just curious here because I think he has but I'm pretty sure you have a better read on him than I do. Like, just some main points, doesn't have to be a huge case. Help a noob out.
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VE you're really transparent
confident when you think you might be going somewhere and you back down instantly under any pressure
"I think you're scum " then you unvote? What the hell are you doing?
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On February 24 2012 14:06 prplhz wrote:
wow i'm not terrible all the time
i .. i don't know what to say... i need a moment .. tearing up here
Anyway, can you tell me why BloodyC0bbler hasn't been playing like scum? I'm just curious here because I think he has but I'm pretty sure you have a better read on him than I do. Like, just some main points, doesn't have to be a huge case. Help a noob out.
Why don't you say why he is instead of worrying so much about what other people think. Are you afraid of something?
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@WBG
I never even read Doctor H's case on you, because quite honestly I stopped paying attention to Dr. H after I stopped pressuring him at the end of the night phase.
I'm not very sure on his alignment and many of the things he said recently (particularly what he pointed out about RoL's stance on BC and his agreement with me about VE) make sense.
Doesn't this imply the opposite? I don't like that you brought up LotR mafia either. That isn't any good reason to say I'm 100% scum if you die. Especially if we are both town, scum now has a higher incentive to hit you just to push my lynch. You tunneled me pretty hard in that game if i recall barely since I quit after the first Day.
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I'll likely be voting for VE or RoL this day though. VE you act so damn arrogant and then when it comes time for you to actually make your statements you're getting picked apart, lose confidence, and back away. You want to call WBG scum but you don't want to commit to the vote. Why not? Why would you change your vote to BH the person that your #1 scumread is bandwagoning? Why would you assume WBG is just scum giving you BH to survive? He is certainly capable of arguing against you and any bandwagon that would exist on WBG has zero traction at the time being, this is the only reason I could think of for switching your vote.
The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it.
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On February 24 2012 14:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:06 prplhz wrote:
wow i'm not terrible all the time
i .. i don't know what to say... i need a moment .. tearing up here
Anyway, can you tell me why BloodyC0bbler hasn't been playing like scum? I'm just curious here because I think he has but I'm pretty sure you have a better read on him than I do. Like, just some main points, doesn't have to be a huge case. Help a noob out. Why don't you say why he is instead of worrying so much about what other people think. Are you afraid of something?
Other than spiders, pain, solitude, moths, long waits, cars, wild animals, vomiting, clocks, dancing, extreme cold, extreme heat, accidents, diabetes, dinner conversation, dutchmen, skin, meteors, dead things, dark, the number 8, birds, bald people, dirt, snakes, outer space, inner space, the sea, witches, drought, the pope, belly buttons, fog, slime, poison, beggars, machines, bees, infinity, stairs, constipation, bolsheviks, toads, and body odor, I'm not really afraid of anything.
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