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Cwave I read that post several times and I've no idea what you are saying. If you are town you need to seriously re-evaluate your play. Specifically I would like to see you rephrase or explain what you said here
In short, lynching Risk but hammering RoL is second best option. Syllo doesn't seem to agree on this, why i don't know.
Are you saying that you want to lynch risk? Why are you voting for RoL then? We've almost 40 hours of the day left, so if you truly consider risk the better lynch, you aren't making any sense.
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The way I read it, he wants to lynch risk, but hammernig RoL is a second best option.
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Is that supposed to be a clarification? He still isn't voting for the person he wants to lynch most, who is also quite clearly a person we can lynch today. No one is "hammering" anything with 40 hours of the day left.
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On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts? Show nested quote +
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
This post is really bad from him, wrong on so many aspect. I bolded the that is the most suspicious to me.
I think that in most cases calling someone out is a good think. It reminds townie that they should contribute more, and it puts pressure on scum people, which can only help town confirming that they are red. More often than not, it is pro-town to call people out. Risk claims to have only played as town so far, but doesnt know this ?
Also, why would he hide what he wanted to do ? A townie ( especially a VT as he claims to be) should not be hiding his plan. Either it is pro-town and he should share it, or it is not and he should forget about it. I dont think forcing someone to reveal what he wants to do is a bad thing.
This is really scummy from him. Show nested quote +So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. So i'm new to TL mafia, but I am divided with Meta based argument. Meta is a great way to catch veteran, but using meta to catch player who only have played a few game. Now i dont know how many games risk.nuke has played, but i recall HoD mentioning that risk already was mislynched because of the same kind arument, which explains why he do not like them. At least he is consistent.
So yes, he is scummy and makes a valid lynch target. The first post you mention is strange and doesnt seem to come from a VT. The second however is null for me, it can comes both from scum or town. I think that he should realize that the only way you can defend yourself against META argument is to start making pro-town contributions. He hasnt started yet.I would like to make full use of the time allowed for day 2, but should no better lynch target occur by tomorrow, and should he not start contributing more, i'm okay with lynching him.
@Syllo : All your cases so far have been based on Meta. But what do you think of Jackal, Dirkzor and Cwave ? Are they scummy to you ?
I would also like to see RoL defend himself against BH caze, and Dirkzor defend himself against Layabout case.
@Cwave : I agree that i have contributed less than I should as town. I'm not going to go frontal with syllo/HoD because they call me scummy. The only way I can defend myself now is by making more pro-town contribution. That is what i intend to do.
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Derp I gave risk some time to contribute but nooooooooooo he just randomly comment's on BHs post.
On January 10 2012 07:26 risk.nuke wrote:
Blazing please use spoiler tags to organise your huge posts
##Vote: risk.nuke
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Blazing, look at who's voting with you on RoL. How many people there do you think are most likely town, and how many are not?
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Blazinghand
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On January 10 2012 19:38 Refallen wrote:
Blazing, look at who's voting with you on RoL. How many people there do you think are most likely town, and how many are not?
Current votes:
RebirthOfLeGenD (5): Blazinghand, Mr. Wiggles, Zephirdd, Spaackle, Cwave
I know I'm town, Wiggles is probably town (or an aggressive angel). I think Zeph's probably town. I don't like Cwave. I have no read on Spaackle.
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Blazinghand
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On the other hand, in a game with 16 players, 5 of whom are scum, any group of 5 people will likely have a couple scum. Smart scum teams will split across several wagons blah blah wifom wifom.
Refallen also i've got my eye on you mr. hidey vote dude
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Blazinghand
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Also you want to know what's more important than the alignments of the 5 people on the RoL Wagon?
the alignment of RoL.
RoL is scum.
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And the alignment of the people on the wagon plays no part in how likely someone is about to point out scum mirite?
Also, if you're still on that hidden vote thing, I derped, I said it, I stopped doing it.
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Blazinghand
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On January 10 2012 19:45 Refallen wrote:
And the alignment of the people on the wagon plays no part in how likely someone is about to point out scum mirite?
Also, if you're still on that hidden vote thing, I derped, I said it, I stopped doing it.
You don't know the alignment of the people on the wagon either; but here's the thing-- if RoL is scum, I don't give a dick about who agrees with me or not. Maybe he's the 2nd demon and angels are trying to wipe the demons quick. Maybe he's an angel and the two demons are trying to get back into the game.
Or maybe all that matters is my analysis is spot-on, he's definitely scum, and he still hasn't come here to defend himself.
If you have a problem with my analysis, say it. If not, get out of my way.
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@BH blazing what do you think of risk? he hasn't been helpful to town in anyway to me
On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote:Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nukeHe has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal.
BluelightzBluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote:Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it  ! Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! Read the top. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote:
First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and
Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec
Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers
First,
I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way.
Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example)
Also,
Here's the list of people I want posting
xsksc
Cwave
risk.nuke
Errandor
That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker.While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote:
So who would you lynch Bluelightz? Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Yes, but which lurker, and why? At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers.Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game.
RefallenWhat I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town. + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote:
Finally started! Hype!
My first thoughts on the setup;
Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. Even though I approve of strategy talk to give us something to talk about day 1 this doesn't fit. This is just empty. There is nothing here that can be of used by town or be discussed about. Fluff. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote:Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. Show nested quote +it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote:
Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm.
Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep.
Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim)
With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. This is just a stall post imo. He confirms he knows he is beeing looked at but doesn't write much for a defense. Instead he just says that tomorrow he'll write something usefull. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him.
xskscxsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first. Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing.
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Your analysis pretty much boils down to
RoL
1. Lurker -----> Scummy
2. Proposed anti-town plan ---> Scummy
= 100% Scum
Problem with number 1; as he said, he was busy, and it was due to Responsibility Mafia being at endgame. Obviously he chose to devote more time to that. Who's to say he isn't busy with real life after that, and that he's just bluffing?
And again, proposing anti-town plan does not immediately = scummy. Yes, it was bad for town. But I feel the way that he presented his plan, tried to defend it, in effect, sticking his head out in plain sight, generating a lot of attention, is not something a scum would risk. Especially if scum knew the plan was this anti-town and thus having little chance of getting actually taken up. It is much more likely that he was considering the plan in his head and just neglected to consider some aspect to it. I'm sure if he was scum his teammates would have stopped him from proposing such a plan with this obvious a gap.
So what I'm essentially saying is, no, he's not 100% going to flip scum. Does he deserve a look? Yes. Can he flip scum? Possibly. But not as likely as risk.nuke flipping scum.
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Okey Bluelightz, why is it scummy that I haven't done anything since that time when neither have you? That's a pretty hippocratic attitude.
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@risk Just this, who do you want to lynch and why? join the discussion! When you are available just post your thoughts.And now, I told everyone already that there would be difference on when I post.
On January 09 2012 01:20 Bluelightz wrote:Im gonna sleep now gyus, also I want to notify you that the period's I will be available will be shorter because School! is starting
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Syllo I would like you to halt your tunneling and give an unbiased opinion to this and why I look pretty good after palmars flip. Why I'm probably not a demon because of palmars flip. Palmar was trying to get me lynched. And for you who don't realise how close it was reread lower bottom page 40 and top page 41.
Why I'm probably not a demon because of palmars flip. I agree this isn't as solid as the first argument but when Palmar came up as a lynch topic I objected to it. Why would I have done that if I were an angel. I would had known he was either "A Very Dangerous Townie" or "A Demon" and very much a threat to me and by team. So why would I object to lynching him? And since nobody else came to this conclusion I think it shows very clearly that you're not looking at me unbiased.
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Sorry the second part is supposed to be Why I'm probably not an angel.
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Okay risk, i believe you for now. So, who do you want to lynch? why?
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On January 10 2012 18:55 Tyrran wrote:
@Cwave : I agree that i have contributed less than I should as town. I'm not going to go frontal with syllo/HoD because they call me scummy. The only way I can defend myself now is by making more pro-town contribution. That is what i intend to do.
Is there any other form of contribution other then PRO-town?
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Risk I've asked you twice to give me your opinion on Tyrran. You just have to convince me that he is a better lynch than you and perhaps I will push for his lynch instead! Why aren't you cooperating? You haven't posted any content since people became suspicious of you.
Cwave: I asked you a question. You are clearly reading the thread but apparently refusing to answer. Please do.
Tyrran: Oh look, you find him scummy but hope a better lynch magically materializes so you don't have to vote for him. You certainly aren't scum hunting. Let me guess, you would rather lynch RoL?
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