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On January 10 2012 09:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Refallen do you think there are any circumstances under which a town RoL would suggest that plan? RoL is a pretty smart guy.
Yes. In the pre-game someone suggested a mass role-claim too. It isn't impossible for a town RoL to suggest the plan, and at the very least it seems that he has thought through it enough to address some common criticisms.
But that's not the point. I rather stay on risk.nuke because I think he's a better lynch, I remember the last time you tried one of your hustlin' cases, though I do agree that RoL needs to do more this cycle. Just because I voted for risk.nuke does not mean I think RoL to be town.
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Blazinghand
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On January 10 2012 09:24 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Refallen do you think there are any circumstances under which a town RoL would suggest that plan? RoL is a pretty smart guy. Yes. In the pre-game someone suggested a mass role-claim too. It isn't impossible for a town RoL to suggest the plan, and at the very least it seems that he has thought through it enough to address some common criticisms. But that's not the point. I rather stay on risk.nuke because I think he's a better lynch, I remember the last time you tried one of your hustlin' cases, though I do agree that RoL needs to do more this cycle. Just because I voted for risk.nuke does not mean I think RoL to be town.
The fact of the matter is, the case on Erandorr was sound, and he got lynched because he played like scum. I think there are 9 players who agree with me on that. Furthermore, saying "well Erandorr was lurking too" isn't the point.
The main point of my post isn't RoL's lurking. It's what he's posted and what he hasn't posted.
Things RoL has posted: a massive, terrible plan that took a lot of time to write up and is anti-town.
Things RoL hasn't posted: anything useful.
This isn't a case of a guy lurking. This is a case of a guy lurking, then putting a lot of effort into something that would sink the town. Are you really saying "RoL needs to do more this cycle" when he has actively suggested possibly the worst plan of all time?
No, I think RoL has done just what he's wanted to. see for yourself my actual case on RoL, since you seem to think i'm claiming we should lynch him due to inactivity:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=55#1081
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Blazinghand
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"hey blazinghand I have some poorly-thought-out objections to lynching RoL"
"hey blazinghand I agree with you and think we should lynch RoL"
"here are some observations I have about some other scummy player"
"here I am suggesting any sort of strategem or asking a question"
"this is a helpful post"
^--- guys any of these posts would be welcome...
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Well, I guess I'm not wrong this time, or at least not wrong alone on RoL thing. I wouldn't mind risk.nuke lynched either though.
@risk.nuke, RoL
Both of you. Do or die situation: if this was LYLO and you had to chose someone to kill; killing town would lose you the game. Who and why.
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EBWOP
oh by the way, I'm voting RoL if it wasnt clear up there.
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I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:
##vote RebirthOfLegend
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I agree with you BH, RoL looks really scummy.
It's not the fact that he has been fairly inactive and "hustling" like erandorr but that he's been actively using his time to push a plan that is bad for town and defending his plan rather than scumhunting.
Since he is already coming kind of close to the lynch (would be 5/9) I'm going to refrain from voting until he comes in to defend himself.
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Blazinghand
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On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote:
Vote count for the Day 2 Lynch.
With 16 alive, 9 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
RebirthOfLeGenD (4): Blazinghand, Mr. Wiggles, Zephirdd, Spaackle
Dirkzor (1): Jackal58
risk.nuke (1): Bluelightz, Refallen, -Bluelightz
Cwave (0): Dirkzor, -Dirkzor
The Day 2 deadline is at January 12 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 20:52:02 from now.)
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On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote:
I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:
##vote RebirthOfLegend
If you honestly truly believe that this is a town post, I feel sorry for you. I said it before, and I think Spaackle is Palmar's buddy. If RoL flips Angel, you know what to do.
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Risk.nuke: I asked you a question. Would you rather lynch Tyrran or HoD today and why?
This RoL wagon is incredibly suspicious. We aren't lynching him today.
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@Syllo. If not him, then who?
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On January 10 2012 15:00 Spaackle wrote:
@Syllo. If not him, then who?
Risk or Tyrran
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Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it.
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Blazinghand
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On January 10 2012 14:59 syllogism wrote:
Risk.nuke: I asked you a question. Would you rather lynch Tyrran or HoD today and why?
This RoL wagon is incredibly suspicious. We aren't lynching him today.
???? i don't care about the wagon what do you think about the case
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Blazinghand
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On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts? Show nested quote +
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
Show nested quote +So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it.
Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them
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On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them
It looks like criticism of his bad plan, which doesn't make him mafia. It's a very weak case. Him being completely worthless is a better reason to lynch him, but not good enough to ignore people who have genuinely been here and played incredibly suspiciously. What do you think about risk/tyrran now?
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Blazinghand
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On January 10 2012 15:09 Refallen wrote:
Care about the wagon.
??? fragment or command?
On January 10 2012 15:09 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them It looks like criticism of his bad plan, which doesn't make him mafia. It's a very weak case. Him being completely worthless is a better reason to lynch him, but not good enough to ignore people who have genuinely been here and played incredibly suspiciously. What do you think about risk/tyrran now?
Why is it a weak case? RoL has been of negative value this game, adequately slapping down goodness with his shitty plan. You don't find that even slightly suspicious?
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Blazinghand
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I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter
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I said that is a better reason to lynch him, but I believe that he is busy (see: Responsibility mafia) so his activity being a null tell makes him a clearly worse lynch than risk/tyrran.
Risk.nuke: unless you can convince me to lynch Tyrran instead, we are lynching you. Good luck
##vote risk.nuke
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