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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
Here is our QT http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/wYqKvV4BBQX. Me and Palmar played really bad Day 1 which made us easy target early ( even tho i survived for a bit longer than I thought mainly due to the fact that refallent thougth I was Angel). Losing Palmar Day one was a huge hit, because we had no effective way to deal with the Demon hunter afterwards. If we had managed to hammer Refallen, the game migth have ended differently. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
Thanks for hosting Zona! My reads was completely wrong the entire game O_o WTB scumhunting skills! At least I was right about grack in the end but that was fairly obvious :D Layabout played really well, i think. I saw him as town for a long time (too long!). Any comments about my play are welcomed... here to learn =) The Cwave vote thingy was aweful... that much I know. | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
Cwave vote thing? lolwut? | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
You have to agree that you needed only half a brain to realize that you were seer tho >_> YO Zona, you said you'd post a post-game wrapup explaining the setup! | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
I am not sure whether to be angry or amused as many of these decisions were based upon incomplete information. After day 1 i feel that my posting got substantially worse, in part this was due to IRL pressures that i was avoiding but a major part was frustration at towns's play. On day 2: Concealing a risk lynch would have been really powerful, It would have really confused town as he was expected to flip scum, and it would have meant that later on in the game there would have been real uncertainty about how many angels/demons were still alive, that we could have used to our advantage. I did not conceal because i was unable to contact my team during the day and i did not anticipate risk being lynched before i got computer access the next day, so i decided to wait, discuss with my team and then decide. On day 3: I basically prevented the sage from being hammered. TT I concealed the lynch but as the deadline drew near i began to play nation red with my friends during the free weekend, and didn't think about the implications of the RoL channeller claim. During the night, i derped hard and posted a big "lets lynch HoD case", the problem with this was that it was almost completely defeated by the night actions. On day 4: During the day i am fairly sure some of my responses to the accusations against me would have shown my red colours not that anybody bothered to point them out. For some reason i was able to get a town vote on HoD, be called a demon by most of the thread and then get town players to vote for Refallen. At the time i had no idea that he was the demonhunter. Tyrran was offline I suggest you read this in our qt for timestamps but this was the worst moment for me in the entire game: + Show Spoiler + layabout Tyrran if you were here we could lynch.. I'm here. vote him whatif he is the demon hunter? do you think i should wait to force the vote? If he is demon hunter, its the best thing htat can happen for us. Town lose their KP against us. We can twist the AoD/Sage, in dramatically increases our chance of winnning how long should i wait between now/ you voting and changing BH's vote? i need to leave soon, please say something I voted for Refallen i immediately respond i should vote immediately 1 cycle after later?? since tyrran had posted his vote in the thread HoD unvoted to prevent the demons from hammering despite the fact that he had voted on the premise of "a lynch is more likely to hit an angel than a no-lynch" what a twat I then stopped posting to see what would happen, hoping that the angels would realise that lynchng a non-angel would save them completely from the lynch. Before i went to sleep I put blazinghands vote on Jackal. I am pleased that he was then lynched and flipped angel because i feel that the angels had the power to stop town from winning but instead killed us and gave town the win. After the lynch I should have tried to communicate with the Angel of death to prevent them from handing town the win. Now angel team: Can you please explain to me why you acted how you did on day 4 and night 4? I don't understand how you could have done anything less-optimal than what you actually did. -You decide not to support a lynch on a player not on your team -You then bus one of your own when you could have played for a no-lynch -In the night you either target BH (who was the optimal choice for being twisted) instead of kiling HoD who was basically confirmed -You allow Refallen's kill to go through so that he also become confirmed. I am disappointed in how the game ended because as soon as i flipped demon and there were no other kills, town should win from that position every time but different actions would have meant that town could not freely vote for fear of the demons hammering and then gaining vote control the angel would have to play to eliminate confirmed town but as the same time not allow demons to kill them. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13121038 +that was not my demon hunter breadcrumb: (click the spoiler in the last post) This was my demon Hunter crumb: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 05:26 layabout wrote: Grackaroni: In this post his writes a pile of nothing to call HoD scum. my comments have been italicised Here, he decides that the person that he thinks should die right now, which is equivalent to his best lynch target for now is not HoD but Bluelightz Says he would lynch bluelightz mostly because "there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something" which is an awful reason to kill a player. votes that we lynch and kill a player other than the player he said he would most like to kill 2minutes earlier this is a glaring contradiction. I cannot understand why he would post such a thing as town. a universe in which those actions make sense would be a universe that sucks big ol' hairy BearBollocks. It seems that he could have decided to vote because Blazinghand told him to do something and he responded by voting, but all i can see is weak/barely even reasoning behind him thinking HoD is scum and nothing of worth to justify a vote. I do not think we should let players vote for such bad reasons. I think the vote is scummy. Does anybody thing his defence in this post is adequate? ( i do not ) On January 07 2012 01:19 layabout wrote: WoW that is quite a mess! EBWOP: Jackal, would you maybe do something? On January 08 2012 07:03 layabout wrote: Wait a minute! I think I might have also been using this plan! What are the chances? risk.nuke are you spying on my brain? hmmm... how should i test this?... @risk.nuke What is my favorite race in fantasy genres? + Show Spoiler + if he says dwarf i will send a complaint to zona because he must be spying on me | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Also WTF, do people really make such a complicated breadcrumb like you did? Õ-O And what was that post then? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 22 2012 00:50 Bluelightz wrote: People hate me in the QT No one hates you, just the way you played in this game was just frustrating as it didn't seem like you were putting much effort into the game and what you posted didn't make it particularly easy (though I did have a slight town read on you) to determine your alignment. Still, you weren't the only one. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
You breadcrumb your results as town, not your role, because anyone can breadcrumb any role they want. The whole point of breadcrumbing is so that, if you're shot by mafia, town can reread your posts and find your targets and the results. Of course with the current state of the TL meta townies don't really have to worry much about scum fakeclaims, because scum are fucking lazy, but honestly if scum play improves a tiny bit, townies will get shafted sooooo hard by that crumbing business. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On January 22 2012 01:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I really don't understand what the point of a breadcrumb (in the way HoD did it) as town is. You breadcrumb your results as town, not your role, because anyone can breadcrumb any role they want. The whole point of breadcrumbing is so that, if you're shot by mafia, town can reread your posts and find your targets and the results. Of course with the current state of the TL meta townies don't really have to worry much about scum fakeclaims, because scum are fucking lazy, but honestly if scum play improves a tiny bit, townies will get shafted sooooo hard by that crumbing business. Jk jk jk | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Which leads me to my main problem this game: A large number of people clearly were not reading the thread!. It felt like town players were really not making themselves useful or trying to catch scum. I think that Town should have lost but they got lucky with the actions of power roles.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On January 22 2012 02:16 layabout wrote: The actual case on RoL was poor. It did not show how what he had done was scummy. I consider the case on RoL to be THE thing I did right this game. I looked at his actions and motivations and found they were incongruent with him being a town player. The only possible reasoning was that he was scum. The fact that it took so much effort from me to actually get him lynched is disheartening, but I'm glad we got it done. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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