On September 24 2011 08:43 iGrok wrote: I didn't kill last night, I used my check
If you really want us to keep you alive, who is Saruman. I'm not willing to let you live so you can tell us later. You can tell us now and then we can decide what we think about it.
On September 24 2011 05:47 heist wrote: So out of everyone in the Jackal lynch, let's look at ON in comparison to the two confirmed mafia: Radfield and Dr Helvetica
On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote:
Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to:
I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread.
The original quote is by Radfield. His very first post is saying, "Good town post Radfield. Everyone should be listening to you."
On September 17 2011 11:10 OriginalName wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:29 chaoser wrote: OriginalName, what do you "sorta see" about greymist?
I sort of see why people are suspicous but it really boils down to a poor reaction to a really null tell (IE fishing for the ring as if you noted i fished for the wand in PYP2 and flipped town) I want to see how things develop first.
Greymist is sort of suspicious so don't worry about the people (one of whom is Dr Helvetica) who are voting for Greymist. They are justified, but I'm also staying really noncommittal in case this actually results in a lynch.
On September 18 2011 03:34 OriginalName wrote:
Furthermore, your reasoning for attacking Drazerk is a little troubling. So... if I understand correctly, DrH and Drazerk do the exact same thing, but one is a vet townie and one is scummy? Based purely on how you good you think they are? You also provide additional justification in saying he attacked you. He never attacked you, he called you out for claiming VT. I can believe you made a mistake, but your reactions so far to being challenged is one that I find highly suspicious.
Im 99% sure DrH is not doing the exact same thing as Drazerk to begin with...
Another indirect defense of Dr Helvetica. Didn't read it in context. He just saw DrH and came to his defense.
On September 19 2011 04:26 OriginalName wrote: Im not voting WBG, he reeks of the weird combination of my play in PTP2 and incogs play (althought not as strong) in PYPI.
Frankly I see Prpl as a decent lynch, but I see the reasoning behind Jackal at the same time.
This however seems kind of off to me,
i also want to tell sandroba and palmar that i have the eru-iluvatar-given ability to instantly kill them at my will if they don't start posting.
Basically hes soft claiming some sort of day vigilante, would you care to explain this better prpl?
Bluefishing. It's obviously a joke. More noncommittal attitudes on Jackal and prplhz. Great. What changes his mind?
On September 19 2011 04:39 OriginalName wrote:
On September 19 2011 04:37 prplhz wrote: @ON
is that the most blatant omgus i have ever seen?
Then your completely out of your fucking mind.
You claim ability to kill two random lurkers given by god.
Then laugh in my face.
This ridiculous exchange with prplhz that supposedly tips him over the fence. Nice excuse not to provide any analysis.
On September 20 2011 11:31 OriginalName wrote: Im going to focus on the people who stayed on bugs until the end of yesterday for my lynch targets today.
This is mostly based on most of them managing to lurk harder than me. Which saying alot I personally dont like the vibe i get off of iGrok/DrH. I avoided DrH yesterday because i was increadably unsure of WBG until later on and I decided based on the reasons i have stated to move over to Errandor.
Pyo I even forgot was playing until about he a few posts one of which was chastising my FoS on Navillus which i by the way look back on and realize that I was being an idiot.
His reasoning behind voting WBG basically went oh DrH said hes third party so im going to agree without posting my own contributions and uses this reasoning:
Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip
Hes just adovacting a pure info lynch that really doesnt tell us jackshit in either case. Afterwords WBG then calls him out for the same thing I am he responds with this:
way to not read my post and selectively bolded not my reason for voting for you – getting information is only icing on the cake... I'm voting for you because your indirect 3rd party claim is bizarre and distracting at best
I dont see any bizarre third party claim, I see hints at it but it obviously wasnt what he had in mind. Sure he was trolling abit but this seems like a really weak line of reasoning, despite how we were starting to realize that he probably was not scum.
He also does nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates other than call out Archo_Toilet for being scummier than GGQ who he was voting however he basically did one post and another paragraph later and did not pursue it much farther.
Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out.
if im on the wrong track again for the love of god speak now.
His main analysis day 2 is on the one person attacking Radfield and his main reasoning is pyo's vote on WBG, null tells considering every lynch was on a townie. And who is the only one who agrees with him on his accusation? Radfield.
On September 22 2011 06:39 Radfield wrote:
On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote: Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet.
I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point.
Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar?
I'm more sure of Jackal than Palmar. Jackal has done nothing this game but antagonize and cut players down, yet has no reads at all of those people. Palmar is on the short list, but I see no reason to put a bunch of reads out and let mafia cherry pick the lynch.
On September 22 2011 07:12 OriginalName wrote: Im voting jackal. Not much more to say I could write a huge massive wall of text that you guys wont read anyways but I feel like actually enjoying RL.
Jist of it is:
Meh D1 with shitty excuses Some random contradition about 95% of the time he has shit reads on D1 and then swears on his grave that it was a good read, then turns out to be a shit read.
Im just going to point out my opinion on WBG, yes he trolled the shit out of us for 24-36 hours but the last few hours he just seemed townie to me.
lastly now that we have lots of pressure on him he just uses shitty one liners to defend himself.
##Vote Jackal58
He clearly follows Radfield's lead for his final vote.
##Vote: Original_Name
Yeah and Pyo just voted him with little analysis, on top of that I also did that BEFORE he accused Radfield and just because he coincedentally decided to vote for scum he did not attempt to push him at all.One Vote without reasoning means almost jackshit to anyone actually reading the thread.
On September 21 2011 01:05 Radfield wrote: iGrok is a good lynch today. He has been useless, but not in a useless way. In a way that makes it look like he's trying to not be useless.
GGQ, Vain, ON, Heist, Pyo: All of you need to ramp it up. Between Jackal, iGrok and Palmar, where would you place your vote?
you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it.
In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness:
On September 20 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote: This means we derive very little from the day 1 lynch, as both Prp, WBG and Eradorr were town. With three townie wagons it means scum had everywhere to hide. In my opinion this makes those players staying on the WBG wagon look worst, and anyone switching votes around look more town. Mafia had no reason to flutter their votes, so I doubt they would have done so unneccesarily.
I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me...
The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it.
Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list.
Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar).
##vote: radfield
So that doesn't count as analysis? Sigh, I guess I'll try harder...
In any case, you accusing me of being scum isn't why I suspected you of being scum, but rather that you and radfield were agreeing with each other. HOWEVER, after re-reading things, I've convinced myself that it doesn't make sense for two scum to both jump on some random person by themselves, not to mention the fact that you – not radfield – were the one to first jump on me. That heist is using this connection to accuse you (and the timing of bringing it up) is actually quite scummy – not totally sure on that read though.
##unvote
I want to hear from iGrok who saruman is. Personally, I would rather lynch that person and then kill him if that person doesn't flip red. However, the fact that iGrok still hasn't given us a name makes me think that him "finding saruman" was a bluff to try to get us to back off him or a bluff to try to get a saruman slip so he can kill/confirm them tonight. Either way, I don't think we should lynch him today. If he's really a survivor 3rd party, he really isn't a threat to us. If he's scum giving us the run-around, well he can't possibly be the only scum left, so I'd rather try to figure out who they are.
On September 24 2011 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: heist: What is ON flips town? Then we have to lynch iGrok for the THIRD time lol. And no matter what he flips after that is gonna be you. And if your analysis on ON was just horribly wrong, we had wasted 3 townmembers just to lynch iGrok.
Guess what, then it's no use to even talk about LYLO anymore..
I'm not even considering to switch my vote off iGrok, unless he actually starts doing something (aka tells us who saruman is). He already failed to shoot last night, and now he comes up with this Saruman thing. Also i'm curious why Drazerk isn't dead already.
ON's flip has nothing to do with iGrok. ON is simply my best suspicion for mafia. If he flips red, that tells you nothing about iGrok. If he flips green, the better alternative is not automatically iGrok. Do you see how easily the votes are piling on iGrok? Mafia are perfectly fine lynching a 3rd party. And what do you mean "no matter what he flips after that is gonna be you"?
On September 24 2011 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm just bored and iGrok is not helping. And if he's not helping i just have to sit and watch this thread like 24h :E
Oh woe is you. Stop sitting on your ass with your easy iGrok vote. Look into other people. The game isn't won on the off-chance iGrok flips red. Please don't waste our time with foolish joke claims.
On September 24 2011 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: heist: What is ON flips town? Then we have to lynch iGrok for the THIRD time lol. And no matter what he flips after that is gonna be you. And if your analysis on ON was just horribly wrong, we had wasted 3 townmembers just to lynch iGrok.
Guess what, then it's no use to even talk about LYLO anymore..
I'm not even considering to switch my vote off iGrok, unless he actually starts doing something (aka tells us who saruman is). He already failed to shoot last night, and now he comes up with this Saruman thing. Also i'm curious why Drazerk isn't dead already.
ON's flip has nothing to do with iGrok. ON is simply my best suspicion for mafia. If he flips red, that tells you nothing about iGrok. If he flips green, the better alternative is not automatically iGrok. Do you see how easily the votes are piling on iGrok? Mafia are perfectly fine lynching a 3rd party. And what do you mean "no matter what he flips after that is gonna be you"?
On September 24 2011 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm just bored and iGrok is not helping. And if he's not helping i just have to sit and watch this thread like 24h :E
Oh woe is you. Stop sitting on your ass with your easy iGrok vote. Look into other people. The game isn't won on the off-chance iGrok flips red. Please don't waste our time with foolish joke claims.
Drop it, your case sucks. Survivor is anti town anyways no point in leaving him around even if his claim isnt fake. Fact is survivor doesnt care whos alive at lylo mafia and town benefit from this. Also iGrok didnt find Sarumon hes just bullshitting to buy himself time.
iGrok is completely worthless no reason to lynch me over him.
I propose iGrok give us saruman to confirm himself. Its simple, we lynch who he says saruman is. if the flip is correct we go from there. If the flip isnt saurman then we have a target for the night/ next day.
On September 24 2011 09:50 GreYMisT wrote: I propose iGrok give us saruman to confirm himself. Its simple, we lynch who he says saruman is. if the flip is correct we go from there. If the flip isnt saurman then we have a target for the night/ next day.
Please read thread before posting this has been mentioned and is a terrible idea as of hes scum he gets another free day and a mislynch.
When picking a target last night, I had to think to myself: who could Saruman be?
To me, the only two people who fit the description were ON and Pyo. Not too active, not too inactive, but definitely capable of playing above their current level.
I picked ON.
I'm also going to need to know who to shoot tonight. There's no way scum lets me live again tonight if I still have a shot.
On September 24 2011 10:18 iGrok wrote: Heist hit the nail on the head.
When picking a target last night, I had to think to myself: who could Saruman be?
To me, the only two people who fit the description were ON and Pyo. Not too active, not too inactive, but definitely capable of playing above their current level.
I picked ON.
I'm also going to need to know who to shoot tonight. There's no way scum lets me live again tonight if I still have a shot.
Also look how he claims that he checked the only person to really recieve any attention at all when he posts it.
His check is bullshit, his kill is a mafia kill, there is no reason to suspect somebody who has already probably lied, sure he abides by his so called "claim" but what reason do we have to believe it. In my eyes iGrok is completely scum regardless of team or otherwise and has to go today.
On September 24 2011 11:17 iGrok wrote: You respond instantly, twice, yet you have fewer posts than anyone this game. Nice.
I probably also have the least amount of time during the week to post. Your problem?
Also in case you havent noticed ive been around this time of day nearly everyday, post count should not be brought into this scummyscumscum. Try harder plz.
On September 24 2011 11:17 iGrok wrote: You respond instantly, twice, yet you have fewer posts than anyone this game. Nice.
I probably also have the least amount of time during the week to post. Your problem?
Also in case you havent noticed ive been around this time of day nearly everyday, post count should not be brought into this scummyscumscum. Try harder plz.
On September 24 2011 11:17 iGrok wrote: You respond instantly, twice, yet you have fewer posts than anyone this game. Nice.
I probably also have the least amount of time during the week to post. Your problem?
Also in case you havent noticed ive been around this time of day nearly everyday, post count should not be brought into this scummyscumscum. Try harder plz.
On September 24 2011 10:18 iGrok wrote: Heist hit the nail on the head.
When picking a target last night, I had to think to myself: who could Saruman be?
To me, the only two people who fit the description were ON and Pyo. Not too active, not too inactive, but definitely capable of playing above their current level.
I picked ON.
I'm also going to need to know who to shoot tonight. There's no way scum lets me live again tonight if I still have a shot.
This made me reread things (again), and I'm changing my mind again.
As I said before, it doesn't make sense that 2 scum would both jump on the same person when there were already several town lynch targets (+1 town). That was enough to convince me before, but that's really the only reason I could come up with for why he was town, while the reasons why he's scum a numerous...
There's this post where he's the only one in the thread who knew who ugluk was:
On September 24 2011 05:12 iGrok wrote: Oh and I found a Maia last night lol. Which means I found Saruman. But no way in hell am I telling you guys.
You're going to kill me.
How about this, we let iGrok tell us who to lynch. We lynch that person and when that person flips red, we let him live another day (no promises beyond that), or if that person flips not red, we vig/lynch him. I think at this point, it's worth risking a one-for-one for the chance at a free scum kill.
On a separate note, when you say "you're going to kill me," who are you talking to, iGrok? Town or Scum?
This is shitty logic, we dont know how many scum nor do we know KP values. They could have extra KP or SK might have a one shot or a bunch of other variables. Not increadably safe imo, iGrok still good lynch.
Also i fully fess up to being stupid and following Radfield but at the time i still had an inkling of thought that he was town. After the Jackal lynch I did go back and was getting ready to push him but well he died.
EBWOP: I meant that we could be at LYLO. On top of that WHY WOULD WE ALLOW OUR MOST SUSPECTED PERSON TO CONTROL LYNCH?
(+1 scum)
Then here he says I didn't push for radfield at all:
On September 24 2011 05:47 heist wrote: So out of everyone in the Jackal lynch, let's look at ON in comparison to the two confirmed mafia: Radfield and Dr Helvetica
On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote:
Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to:
I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread.
The original quote is by Radfield. His very first post is saying, "Good town post Radfield. Everyone should be listening to you."
On September 17 2011 11:10 OriginalName wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:29 chaoser wrote: OriginalName, what do you "sorta see" about greymist?
I sort of see why people are suspicous but it really boils down to a poor reaction to a really null tell (IE fishing for the ring as if you noted i fished for the wand in PYP2 and flipped town) I want to see how things develop first.
Greymist is sort of suspicious so don't worry about the people (one of whom is Dr Helvetica) who are voting for Greymist. They are justified, but I'm also staying really noncommittal in case this actually results in a lynch.
On September 18 2011 03:34 OriginalName wrote:
Furthermore, your reasoning for attacking Drazerk is a little troubling. So... if I understand correctly, DrH and Drazerk do the exact same thing, but one is a vet townie and one is scummy? Based purely on how you good you think they are? You also provide additional justification in saying he attacked you. He never attacked you, he called you out for claiming VT. I can believe you made a mistake, but your reactions so far to being challenged is one that I find highly suspicious.
Im 99% sure DrH is not doing the exact same thing as Drazerk to begin with...
Another indirect defense of Dr Helvetica. Didn't read it in context. He just saw DrH and came to his defense.
On September 19 2011 04:26 OriginalName wrote: Im not voting WBG, he reeks of the weird combination of my play in PTP2 and incogs play (althought not as strong) in PYPI.
Frankly I see Prpl as a decent lynch, but I see the reasoning behind Jackal at the same time.
This however seems kind of off to me,
i also want to tell sandroba and palmar that i have the eru-iluvatar-given ability to instantly kill them at my will if they don't start posting.
Basically hes soft claiming some sort of day vigilante, would you care to explain this better prpl?
Bluefishing. It's obviously a joke. More noncommittal attitudes on Jackal and prplhz. Great. What changes his mind?
On September 19 2011 04:39 OriginalName wrote:
On September 19 2011 04:37 prplhz wrote: @ON
is that the most blatant omgus i have ever seen?
Then your completely out of your fucking mind.
You claim ability to kill two random lurkers given by god.
Then laugh in my face.
This ridiculous exchange with prplhz that supposedly tips him over the fence. Nice excuse not to provide any analysis.
On September 20 2011 11:31 OriginalName wrote: Im going to focus on the people who stayed on bugs until the end of yesterday for my lynch targets today.
This is mostly based on most of them managing to lurk harder than me. Which saying alot I personally dont like the vibe i get off of iGrok/DrH. I avoided DrH yesterday because i was increadably unsure of WBG until later on and I decided based on the reasons i have stated to move over to Errandor.
Pyo I even forgot was playing until about he a few posts one of which was chastising my FoS on Navillus which i by the way look back on and realize that I was being an idiot.
His reasoning behind voting WBG basically went oh DrH said hes third party so im going to agree without posting my own contributions and uses this reasoning:
Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip
Hes just adovacting a pure info lynch that really doesnt tell us jackshit in either case. Afterwords WBG then calls him out for the same thing I am he responds with this:
way to not read my post and selectively bolded not my reason for voting for you – getting information is only icing on the cake... I'm voting for you because your indirect 3rd party claim is bizarre and distracting at best
I dont see any bizarre third party claim, I see hints at it but it obviously wasnt what he had in mind. Sure he was trolling abit but this seems like a really weak line of reasoning, despite how we were starting to realize that he probably was not scum.
He also does nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates other than call out Archo_Toilet for being scummier than GGQ who he was voting however he basically did one post and another paragraph later and did not pursue it much farther.
Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out.
if im on the wrong track again for the love of god speak now.
His main analysis day 2 is on the one person attacking Radfield and his main reasoning is pyo's vote on WBG, null tells considering every lynch was on a townie. And who is the only one who agrees with him on his accusation? Radfield.
On September 22 2011 06:39 Radfield wrote:
On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote: Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet.
I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point.
Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar?
I'm more sure of Jackal than Palmar. Jackal has done nothing this game but antagonize and cut players down, yet has no reads at all of those people. Palmar is on the short list, but I see no reason to put a bunch of reads out and let mafia cherry pick the lynch.
On September 22 2011 07:12 OriginalName wrote: Im voting jackal. Not much more to say I could write a huge massive wall of text that you guys wont read anyways but I feel like actually enjoying RL.
Jist of it is:
Meh D1 with shitty excuses Some random contradition about 95% of the time he has shit reads on D1 and then swears on his grave that it was a good read, then turns out to be a shit read.
Im just going to point out my opinion on WBG, yes he trolled the shit out of us for 24-36 hours but the last few hours he just seemed townie to me.
lastly now that we have lots of pressure on him he just uses shitty one liners to defend himself.
##Vote Jackal58
He clearly follows Radfield's lead for his final vote.
##Vote: Original_Name
Yeah and Pyo just voted him with little analysis, on top of that I also did that BEFORE he accused Radfield and just because he coincedentally decided to vote for scum he did not attempt to push him at all.One Vote without reasoning means almost jackshit to anyone actually reading the thread.
while saying that I was doing "nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates":
On September 20 2011 11:31 OriginalName wrote: Im going to focus on the people who stayed on bugs until the end of yesterday for my lynch targets today.
This is mostly based on most of them managing to lurk harder than me. Which saying alot I personally dont like the vibe i get off of iGrok/DrH. I avoided DrH yesterday because i was increadably unsure of WBG until later on and I decided based on the reasons i have stated to move over to Errandor.
Pyo I even forgot was playing until about he a few posts one of which was chastising my FoS on Navillus which i by the way look back on and realize that I was being an idiot.
His reasoning behind voting WBG basically went oh DrH said hes third party so im going to agree without posting my own contributions and uses this reasoning:
Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip
Hes just adovacting a pure info lynch that really doesnt tell us jackshit in either case. Afterwords WBG then calls him out for the same thing I am he responds with this:
way to not read my post and selectively bolded not my reason for voting for you – getting information is only icing on the cake... I'm voting for you because your indirect 3rd party claim is bizarre and distracting at best
I dont see any bizarre third party claim, I see hints at it but it obviously wasnt what he had in mind. Sure he was trolling abit but this seems like a really weak line of reasoning, despite how we were starting to realize that he probably was not scum.
He also does nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates other than call out Archo_Toilet for being scummier than GGQ who he was voting however he basically did one post and another paragraph later and did not pursue it much farther.
Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out.
if im on the wrong track again for the love of god speak now.
He's clearly had an agenda here, as all I did for WBG was put a vote on him and disappear for the rest of the day, while I actually did give a solid reason for radfield repeated called him scum. (+1 scum)
Also in that previous quote:
On September 20 2011 11:31 OriginalName wrote: Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out.
On September 24 2011 10:18 iGrok wrote: Heist hit the nail on the head.
When picking a target last night, I had to think to myself: who could Saruman be?
To me, the only two people who fit the description were ON and Pyo. Not too active, not too inactive, but definitely capable of playing above their current level.
I picked ON.
I'm also going to need to know who to shoot tonight. There's no way scum lets me live again tonight if I still have a shot.
Kill this lying bastard.
I am Èowyn the Shieldmaiden of Rohan.
Completely Vanilla.
I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. There's no way the chick that killed the big bad-ass Nazgul would be vanilla town. Totally fail claim dude (+10 scum):
On September 19 2011 08:45 iGrok wrote: Ok, lets review. Who of the following are the scummiest?
Palmar - Not doing much so far Radfield - Has been active. Pulled wagons off GreyMist and WBG, onto Errandor. Suspicious. Syllogism - Was active early on in Ring discussions. prplhz - Leaving this until later kitaman27 - No great analysis, but decent reasons for voting and has worked to pressure OriginalName - After watching him play in Resurrection, he's playing the same way. Minimum contribution to avoid focus. Vain - 1 liners except to defend prplhz Erandorr - somehow appeared on his own vote list? TranceStorm - I see a connection between TranceStorm and Radfield forming when I filter him. TS often references Radfield's arguements. TS also attacked prplhz early on
On September 21 2011 05:07 syllogism wrote: I'm off, iGrok you better have defended yourself by the time I come back tomorrow. Perhaps even claim.
I've been thinking about this. And I think it is, in fact, time for me to claim.
So, as my meta, this is my incredibly huge post.
Ok, I've come under a lot of fire lately for lurking. And it's true, I have been. But trying to use meta arguments (other than lack of a monster post, which is never on D1 anyways) on me is stupid - I dare you to find two games in which I've played similar styles as similar roles. And in this game, I'm a role I've never been before.
I am the Balrog.
I am a Survivor.
I have a number of powers, but I'll start with my wincon: I win when any faction wins and Gandalf is dead. So, the second part of my wincon has been conveniently fulfilled. Gandalf probably wasn't supposed to die this early - I've got a few powers that would have aided me in my quest for Gandalf.
I can investigate a player each night and discover if they are Maia. Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron, and Radagast are Maia (I am told these 4 names - more on this after my full claim).
I have one unblockable nightkill.
But that only helps me kill Gandalf. I still need to survive. Fortunately, I have a passive power:
I know what happens when I get the ring. I become Bulletproof.
I'll take a quick breather to let you all think about everything I've just said. When you're ready, scroll down.
It's time for my favorite! Setup Analysis time! In a closed setup, its difficult - but as a 3rd party role, and with all the recent flips, I think I can figure a few things out.
I'll start with my role, as it is the most complicated. Survivors suck. You have to somehow survive to endgame, against a mafia team who doesn't know not to kill you. So you have to be as non-threatening as possible, while avoiding lynch. This leads you to lurk hardcore. This is no fun.
But my role is a little different. I have a goal, and tools at my disposal. And I think I've figured out how Curu intended for Balrog to be played - Investigate people, when you find a Maia, use the thread to figure out what kind. Then get them lynched. Use the oneshot to get the ring once it pops up somewhere, and then go into heavy pro-town action to win the game.
With the death of Gandalf though, I can change things up a bit. After all, it's in my best interest to survive. And for me, the choice seems clear: Get the ring.
With this in mind, I have a proposal for the town. 2 Maia have died (Gandalf and Sauron). One, maybe two are left. Saruman definitely, lets be honest he's going to be in here. He's kind of a big deal in LotR. Radagast on the other hand...+ Show Spoiler +
If he's in the game, he's probably a miller or traitor with some sort of bonus power. He was a good guy who aided Saruman in Lotr lore. He's pretty obscure though, so idk if he's in the game.
Anyways, my proposal - give me the ring, and I'll trade you an unblockable KP, Saruman checks, and I'll actually contribute useful analysis. Who decides on the KP? Well, if you're a DT I'll give it to you - when you check me you'll get my role PM, If you want to use my power, post the first word in the name of my Checking ability in one of your posts. I'll use it on the next name that appears in your post. Also, I'll check whoever got the second-most votes each night to see if they are Saruman or Radagast.
Why should you trust me? Because this forces me to act pro-town. I'm basically saying, I'm 3rd party but with your help I can be a Bullet-proof Vigilante. Think about that. If I get the ring, I can still be lynched - so if I don't hold up my end, you can lynch me.
So thats the deal. I want to win. Give me the ring, and I hunt the other White Wizard, while scumhunting the best I can. As a sign of good faith, I'll include an analysis later on, and I'll tell you that Radfield is neither Saruman nor Radagast (I thought he might be Gandalf).
On to the rest of the analysis, what little I can do. Take it or leave it, but I've been known to perfectly guess setups before. I won't attempt to do so, but lets see...
First, look at Gandalf's Powers. He's called a Jack of all Trades, but he's not actually that strong. He has 4 powers, but he can't even combine them. Gandalf is supposed to be the strongest damn being in the lotr universe. But he's a purely information role.
In contrast, Sauron's Role: He, too, has investigative powers. He also has an unblockable kill, AND is godfather. Sauron just seems like a more powerful role than Gandalf. But what can we take from this?
Mafia seem to be pretty heavily loaded. Supporting this are the existence of a Jailkeeper and Messenger - Messengers are awesome for confirming players, and Jailkeepers are excellent on offense or defense against mafia.
So, with heavily loaded mafia AND at least one 3rd party, Town has to have some serious firepower and/or protection. I expect Aragorn to have KP (Curu if you make him and Legolas Trackers I will not forgive you - and if GIMLI doesn't have kp... They're the fucking heroes!) I don't forsee there being more than two medics (Eowyn and Galadriel are my guesses), but combined with a Jailkeeper and a vet or two we're starting to talk about some high-power games.
My final note about setup: Pippin (Peregrin Took). The existence of pm-oriented roles is cool, and I highly doubt there's just one. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Merry was a clone of Pippin's role.
On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote: prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo.
Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring.
In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away.
btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it.
We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly.
chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita...
Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point.
For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts)
Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum. 2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work. 3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible. 4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually
Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move.
On September 21 2011 14:39 syllogism wrote: igrok it sure is taking long to post that pm, you are dangerously close to being dead
Just making sure I won't be modkilled. Since Mig's answers break rule 6.
BASICALLY CLAIMS THAT HE IS BARELY SKIRTING MODILL REQUIREMENT. also apoligetic, town doesnt need to be apoligetic and grok know this.
On September 24 2011 05:12 iGrok wrote: Oh and I found a Maia last night lol. Which means I found Saruman. But no way in hell am I telling you guys.
You're going to kill me.
Why would a townie withold a claim in this manner. Seriously, stop tunneling my ass and read and realize that this dude is a class A bullshitter with a PhD in Lying. Except, he failed that last class ya know.
Get to your senses Pyo, or are you scum along with him, I honestly wouldnt be surprised if Radfield had the balls to implicate a lurking scumbuddy for town cred if he got pushed to death. Hell look what he did with DrH.
The fact that you think iGrok is not the scummiest man alive in this game at the moment is a monumental blunder on your part and may only be solved by stating that your wishy washiness is almost scum motivated.
On September 19 2011 08:45 iGrok wrote: Ok, lets review. Who of the following are the scummiest?
Palmar - Not doing much so far Radfield - Has been active. Pulled wagons off GreyMist and WBG, onto Errandor. Suspicious. Syllogism - Was active early on in Ring discussions. prplhz - Leaving this until later kitaman27 - No great analysis, but decent reasons for voting and has worked to pressure OriginalName - After watching him play in Resurrection, he's playing the same way. Minimum contribution to avoid focus. Vain - 1 liners except to defend prplhz Erandorr - somehow appeared on his own vote list? TranceStorm - I see a connection between TranceStorm and Radfield forming when I filter him. TS often references Radfield's arguements. TS also attacked prplhz early on
On September 21 2011 05:07 syllogism wrote: I'm off, iGrok you better have defended yourself by the time I come back tomorrow. Perhaps even claim.
I've been thinking about this. And I think it is, in fact, time for me to claim.
So, as my meta, this is my incredibly huge post.
Ok, I've come under a lot of fire lately for lurking. And it's true, I have been. But trying to use meta arguments (other than lack of a monster post, which is never on D1 anyways) on me is stupid - I dare you to find two games in which I've played similar styles as similar roles. And in this game, I'm a role I've never been before.
I am the Balrog.
I am a Survivor.
I have a number of powers, but I'll start with my wincon: I win when any faction wins and Gandalf is dead. So, the second part of my wincon has been conveniently fulfilled. Gandalf probably wasn't supposed to die this early - I've got a few powers that would have aided me in my quest for Gandalf.
I can investigate a player each night and discover if they are Maia. Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron, and Radagast are Maia (I am told these 4 names - more on this after my full claim).
I have one unblockable nightkill.
But that only helps me kill Gandalf. I still need to survive. Fortunately, I have a passive power:
I know what happens when I get the ring. I become Bulletproof.
I'll take a quick breather to let you all think about everything I've just said. When you're ready, scroll down.
It's time for my favorite! Setup Analysis time! In a closed setup, its difficult - but as a 3rd party role, and with all the recent flips, I think I can figure a few things out.
I'll start with my role, as it is the most complicated. Survivors suck. You have to somehow survive to endgame, against a mafia team who doesn't know not to kill you. So you have to be as non-threatening as possible, while avoiding lynch. This leads you to lurk hardcore. This is no fun.
But my role is a little different. I have a goal, and tools at my disposal. And I think I've figured out how Curu intended for Balrog to be played - Investigate people, when you find a Maia, use the thread to figure out what kind. Then get them lynched. Use the oneshot to get the ring once it pops up somewhere, and then go into heavy pro-town action to win the game.
With the death of Gandalf though, I can change things up a bit. After all, it's in my best interest to survive. And for me, the choice seems clear: Get the ring.
With this in mind, I have a proposal for the town. 2 Maia have died (Gandalf and Sauron). One, maybe two are left. Saruman definitely, lets be honest he's going to be in here. He's kind of a big deal in LotR. Radagast on the other hand...+ Show Spoiler +
If he's in the game, he's probably a miller or traitor with some sort of bonus power. He was a good guy who aided Saruman in Lotr lore. He's pretty obscure though, so idk if he's in the game.
Anyways, my proposal - give me the ring, and I'll trade you an unblockable KP, Saruman checks, and I'll actually contribute useful analysis. Who decides on the KP? Well, if you're a DT I'll give it to you - when you check me you'll get my role PM, If you want to use my power, post the first word in the name of my Checking ability in one of your posts. I'll use it on the next name that appears in your post. Also, I'll check whoever got the second-most votes each night to see if they are Saruman or Radagast.
Why should you trust me? Because this forces me to act pro-town. I'm basically saying, I'm 3rd party but with your help I can be a Bullet-proof Vigilante. Think about that. If I get the ring, I can still be lynched - so if I don't hold up my end, you can lynch me.
So thats the deal. I want to win. Give me the ring, and I hunt the other White Wizard, while scumhunting the best I can. As a sign of good faith, I'll include an analysis later on, and I'll tell you that Radfield is neither Saruman nor Radagast (I thought he might be Gandalf).
On to the rest of the analysis, what little I can do. Take it or leave it, but I've been known to perfectly guess setups before. I won't attempt to do so, but lets see...
First, look at Gandalf's Powers. He's called a Jack of all Trades, but he's not actually that strong. He has 4 powers, but he can't even combine them. Gandalf is supposed to be the strongest damn being in the lotr universe. But he's a purely information role.
In contrast, Sauron's Role: He, too, has investigative powers. He also has an unblockable kill, AND is godfather. Sauron just seems like a more powerful role than Gandalf. But what can we take from this?
Mafia seem to be pretty heavily loaded. Supporting this are the existence of a Jailkeeper and Messenger - Messengers are awesome for confirming players, and Jailkeepers are excellent on offense or defense against mafia.
So, with heavily loaded mafia AND at least one 3rd party, Town has to have some serious firepower and/or protection. I expect Aragorn to have KP (Curu if you make him and Legolas Trackers I will not forgive you - and if GIMLI doesn't have kp... They're the fucking heroes!) I don't forsee there being more than two medics (Eowyn and Galadriel are my guesses), but combined with a Jailkeeper and a vet or two we're starting to talk about some high-power games.
My final note about setup: Pippin (Peregrin Took). The existence of pm-oriented roles is cool, and I highly doubt there's just one. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Merry was a clone of Pippin's role.
So now its time for some sample analysis.
And my focus today is Palmar.
On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow
This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts.
Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG,Errandor prplhz DrH Radfield, himself, Sandroba, Pyo
Pause. Next post.
On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote: prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo.
Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring.
In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away.
btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it.
We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly.
chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita...
Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point.
For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts)
Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum. 2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work. 3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible. 4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually
Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move.
On September 24 2011 05:12 iGrok wrote: Oh and I found a Maia last night lol. Which means I found Saruman. But no way in hell am I telling you guys.
You're going to kill me.
Why would a townie withold a claim in this manner. Seriously, stop tunneling my ass and read and realize that this dude is a class A bullshitter with a PhD in Lying. Except, he failed that last class ya know.
Get to your senses Pyo, or are you scum along with him, I honestly wouldnt be surprised if Radfield had the balls to implicate a lurking scumbuddy for town cred if he got pushed to death. Hell look what he did with DrH.
The fact that you think iGrok is not the scummiest man alive in this game at the moment is a monumental blunder on your part and may only be solved by stating that your wishy washiness is almost scum motivated.
His behavior is consistent with 3rd party (so I suppose you could call it scummy); your behavior is consistent with mafia. His claim is at least believable; your claim seems super hasty... You just quickly copy-pasted your safe claim without thinking it through. I'll repeat, there's no way the chick that shoved a sword through the Nazgul's face is just vanilla town.
But I'll tell you what, if you flip green, I'll vote for iGrok tomorrow... if he isn't offed during the night.
EPT
