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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 23 2011 20:12 GMT
#1621
Oh and I found a Maia last night lol. Which means I found Saruman. But no way in hell am I telling you guys.

You're going to kill me.
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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
September 23 2011 20:21 GMT
#1622
You do realize your best chance is to offer him up to take your place. Play to win.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 23 2011 20:23 GMT
#1623
On September 24 2011 05:21 heist wrote:
You do realize your best chance is to offer him up to take your place. Play to win.

The moment I flip his name, I'm going to get lynched anyways and he'll be shot at night.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 23 2011 20:42 GMT
#1624
On September 24 2011 05:23 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 05:21 heist wrote:
You do realize your best chance is to offer him up to take your place. Play to win.

The moment I flip his name, I'm going to get lynched anyways and he'll be shot at night.


If you give us a reason to keep you around, then you might not be lynched. Holding out information is pointless.

@rayn: if I absolutely had to choose, I'd rather lynch igrok over chaoser right now. But neither of them really sit right with me as lynches. I'm not experienced enough in games with third parties to know what's best.
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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
September 23 2011 20:44 GMT
#1625
You don't lynch them. That's what you don't do.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
September 23 2011 20:47 GMT
#1626
So out of everyone in the Jackal lynch, let's look at ON in comparison to the two confirmed mafia: Radfield and Dr Helvetica

On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to:


I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread.


The original quote is by Radfield. His very first post is saying, "Good town post Radfield. Everyone should be listening to you."

On September 17 2011 11:10 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 10:29 chaoser wrote:
OriginalName, what do you "sorta see" about greymist?


I sort of see why people are suspicous but it really boils down to a poor reaction to a really null tell (IE fishing for the ring as if you noted i fished for the wand in PYP2 and flipped town) I want to see how things develop first.


Greymist is sort of suspicious so don't worry about the people (one of whom is Dr Helvetica) who are voting for Greymist. They are justified, but I'm also staying really noncommittal in case this actually results in a lynch.

On September 18 2011 03:34 OriginalName wrote:
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Furthermore, your reasoning for attacking Drazerk is a little troubling. So... if I understand correctly, DrH and Drazerk do the exact same thing, but one is a vet townie and one is scummy? Based purely on how you good you think they are? You also provide additional justification in saying he attacked you. He never attacked you, he called you out for claiming VT. I can believe you made a mistake, but your reactions so far to being challenged is one that I find highly suspicious.


Im 99% sure DrH is not doing the exact same thing as Drazerk to begin with...


Another indirect defense of Dr Helvetica. Didn't read it in context. He just saw DrH and came to his defense.

On September 19 2011 04:26 OriginalName wrote:
Im not voting WBG, he reeks of the weird combination of my play in PTP2 and incogs play (althought not as strong) in PYPI.

Frankly I see Prpl as a decent lynch, but I see the reasoning behind Jackal at the same time.

This however seems kind of off to me,
Show nested quote +

i also want to tell sandroba and palmar that i have the eru-iluvatar-given ability to instantly kill them at my will if they don't start posting.


Basically hes soft claiming some sort of day vigilante, would you care to explain this better prpl?


Bluefishing. It's obviously a joke. More noncommittal attitudes on Jackal and prplhz. Great. What changes his mind?

On September 19 2011 04:39 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 04:37 prplhz wrote:
@ON

is that the most blatant omgus i have ever seen?


Then your completely out of your fucking mind.

You claim ability to kill two random lurkers given by god.

Then laugh in my face.


This ridiculous exchange with prplhz that supposedly tips him over the fence. Nice excuse not to provide any analysis.

On September 20 2011 11:31 OriginalName wrote:
Im going to focus on the people who stayed on bugs until the end of yesterday for my lynch targets today.

This is mostly based on most of them managing to lurk harder than me. Which saying alot I personally dont like the vibe i get off of iGrok/DrH. I avoided DrH yesterday because i was increadably unsure of WBG until later on and I decided based on the reasons i have stated to move over to Errandor.

Pyo I even forgot was playing until about he a few posts one of which was chastising my FoS on Navillus which i by the way look back on and realize that I was being an idiot.

His reasoning behind voting WBG basically went oh DrH said hes third party so im going to agree without posting my own contributions and uses this reasoning:

Show nested quote +
Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip



Hes just adovacting a pure info lynch that really doesnt tell us jackshit in either case. Afterwords WBG then calls him out for the same thing I am he responds with this:

Show nested quote +
way to not read my post and selectively bolded not my reason for voting for you – getting information is only icing on the cake... I'm voting for you because your indirect 3rd party claim is bizarre and distracting at best



I dont see any bizarre third party claim, I see hints at it but it obviously wasnt what he had in mind. Sure he was trolling abit but this seems like a really weak line of reasoning, despite how we were starting to realize that he probably was not scum.

He also does nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates other than call out Archo_Toilet for being scummier than GGQ who he was voting however he basically did one post and another paragraph later and did not pursue it much farther.

Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out.

As such I will be.

##Vote Pyo


+ Show Spoiler +
if im on the wrong track again for the love of god speak now.


His main analysis day 2 is on the one person attacking Radfield and his main reasoning is pyo's vote on WBG, null tells considering every lynch was on a townie. And who is the only one who agrees with him on his accusation? Radfield.

On September 22 2011 06:39 Radfield wrote:
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On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote:
Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet.

I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point.

Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar?


I'm more sure of Jackal than Palmar. Jackal has done nothing this game but antagonize and cut players down, yet has no reads at all of those people. Palmar is on the short list, but I see no reason to put a bunch of reads out and let mafia cherry pick the lynch.


On September 22 2011 07:12 OriginalName wrote:
Im voting jackal. Not much more to say I could write a huge massive wall of text that you guys wont read anyways but I feel like actually enjoying RL.

Jist of it is:

Meh D1 with shitty excuses
Some random contradition about 95% of the time he has shit reads on D1 and then swears on his grave that it was a good read, then turns out to be a shit read.

+ Show Spoiler +
Im just going to point out my opinion on WBG, yes he trolled the shit out of us for 24-36 hours but the last few hours he just seemed townie to me.


lastly now that we have lots of pressure on him he just uses shitty one liners to defend himself.

##Vote Jackal58




He clearly follows Radfield's lead for his final vote.

##Vote: Original_Name
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
September 23 2011 20:53 GMT
#1627
On September 24 2011 04:44 heist wrote:
Oops didn't finish. For now my main suspicion is on ON. I'll provide reasoning later.


I think I'd be willing to get on board that lynch... He was on my list suspected scum after he and radfield were the only ones giving me crap and calling me scummy when I started tunneling radfield.

##Vote OriginalName (contingent upon the second half of this post not developing into something)

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On September 24 2011 05:12 iGrok wrote:
Oh and I found a Maia last night lol. Which means I found Saruman. But no way in hell am I telling you guys.

You're going to kill me.


How about this, we let iGrok tell us who to lynch. We lynch that person and when that person flips red, we let him live another day (no promises beyond that), or if that person flips not red, we vig/lynch him. I think at this point, it's worth risking a one-for-one for the chance at a free scum kill.


On a separate note, when you say "you're going to kill me," who are you talking to, iGrok? Town or Scum?
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
September 23 2011 20:57 GMT
#1628
EBWDP: I wrote my above post before I saw Heist's analysis, but I agree with it... Several of the points he made were actually in my notes on him.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 23 2011 21:08 GMT
#1629
On September 24 2011 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 05:23 iGrok wrote:
On September 24 2011 05:21 heist wrote:
You do realize your best chance is to offer him up to take your place. Play to win.

The moment I flip his name, I'm going to get lynched anyways and he'll be shot at night.


If you give us a reason to keep you around, then you might not be lynched. Holding out information is pointless.

@rayn: if I absolutely had to choose, I'd rather lynch igrok over chaoser right now. But neither of them really sit right with me as lynches. I'm not experienced enough in games with third parties to know what's best.

If I'm not in the lead at 15 minutes before the lynch, I'll reveal. Otherwise you'll just kill me anyways.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
September 23 2011 21:13 GMT
#1630
You need to give time for people to switch.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 23 2011 21:17 GMT
#1631
On September 24 2011 06:08 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 24 2011 05:23 iGrok wrote:
On September 24 2011 05:21 heist wrote:
You do realize your best chance is to offer him up to take your place. Play to win.

The moment I flip his name, I'm going to get lynched anyways and he'll be shot at night.


If you give us a reason to keep you around, then you might not be lynched. Holding out information is pointless.

@rayn: if I absolutely had to choose, I'd rather lynch igrok over chaoser right now. But neither of them really sit right with me as lynches. I'm not experienced enough in games with third parties to know what's best.

If I'm not in the lead at 15 minutes before the lynch, I'll reveal. Otherwise you'll just kill me anyways.


We're not going to switch without the information anyway in fact we are more likely to lynch you.

We're not going to let you use this information you may or may not have as a bargaining chip to escape the lynch.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 23 2011 21:21 GMT
#1632
On September 24 2011 05:53 Pyo wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 05:12 iGrok wrote:
Oh and I found a Maia last night lol. Which means I found Saruman. But no way in hell am I telling you guys.

You're going to kill me.


How about this, we let iGrok tell us who to lynch. We lynch that person and when that person flips red, we let him live another day (no promises beyond that), or if that person flips not red, we vig/lynch him. I think at this point, it's worth risking a one-for-one for the chance at a free scum kill.


On a separate note, when you say "you're going to kill me," who are you talking to, iGrok? Town or Scum?


This is shitty logic, we dont know how many scum nor do we know KP values. They could have extra KP or SK might have a one shot or a bunch of other variables. Not increadably safe imo, iGrok still good lynch.

Also i fully fess up to being stupid and following Radfield but at the time i still had an inkling of thought that he was town. After the Jackal lynch I did go back and was getting ready to push him but well he died.

OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 23 2011 21:22 GMT
#1633
On September 24 2011 06:21 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 05:53 Pyo wrote:

On September 24 2011 05:12 iGrok wrote:
Oh and I found a Maia last night lol. Which means I found Saruman. But no way in hell am I telling you guys.

You're going to kill me.


How about this, we let iGrok tell us who to lynch. We lynch that person and when that person flips red, we let him live another day (no promises beyond that), or if that person flips not red, we vig/lynch him. I think at this point, it's worth risking a one-for-one for the chance at a free scum kill.


On a separate note, when you say "you're going to kill me," who are you talking to, iGrok? Town or Scum?


This is shitty logic, we dont know how many scum nor do we know KP values. They could have extra KP or SK might have a one shot or a bunch of other variables. Not increadably safe imo, iGrok still good lynch.

Also i fully fess up to being stupid and following Radfield but at the time i still had an inkling of thought that he was town. After the Jackal lynch I did go back and was getting ready to push him but well he died.

EBWOP:
I meant that we could be at LYLO. On top of that WHY WOULD WE ALLOW OUR MOST SUSPECTED PERSON TO CONTROL LYNCH?

OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 23 2011 21:23 GMT
#1634
On September 24 2011 05:47 heist wrote:
So out of everyone in the Jackal lynch, let's look at ON in comparison to the two confirmed mafia: Radfield and Dr Helvetica

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote:
Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to:


I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread.


The original quote is by Radfield. His very first post is saying, "Good town post Radfield. Everyone should be listening to you."

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 11:10 OriginalName wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:29 chaoser wrote:
OriginalName, what do you "sorta see" about greymist?


I sort of see why people are suspicous but it really boils down to a poor reaction to a really null tell (IE fishing for the ring as if you noted i fished for the wand in PYP2 and flipped town) I want to see how things develop first.


Greymist is sort of suspicious so don't worry about the people (one of whom is Dr Helvetica) who are voting for Greymist. They are justified, but I'm also staying really noncommittal in case this actually results in a lynch.

Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 03:34 OriginalName wrote:
Furthermore, your reasoning for attacking Drazerk is a little troubling. So... if I understand correctly, DrH and Drazerk do the exact same thing, but one is a vet townie and one is scummy? Based purely on how you good you think they are? You also provide additional justification in saying he attacked you. He never attacked you, he called you out for claiming VT. I can believe you made a mistake, but your reactions so far to being challenged is one that I find highly suspicious.


Im 99% sure DrH is not doing the exact same thing as Drazerk to begin with...


Another indirect defense of Dr Helvetica. Didn't read it in context. He just saw DrH and came to his defense.

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 04:26 OriginalName wrote:
Im not voting WBG, he reeks of the weird combination of my play in PTP2 and incogs play (althought not as strong) in PYPI.

Frankly I see Prpl as a decent lynch, but I see the reasoning behind Jackal at the same time.

This however seems kind of off to me,

i also want to tell sandroba and palmar that i have the eru-iluvatar-given ability to instantly kill them at my will if they don't start posting.


Basically hes soft claiming some sort of day vigilante, would you care to explain this better prpl?


Bluefishing. It's obviously a joke. More noncommittal attitudes on Jackal and prplhz. Great. What changes his mind?

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 04:39 OriginalName wrote:
On September 19 2011 04:37 prplhz wrote:
@ON

is that the most blatant omgus i have ever seen?


Then your completely out of your fucking mind.

You claim ability to kill two random lurkers given by god.

Then laugh in my face.


This ridiculous exchange with prplhz that supposedly tips him over the fence. Nice excuse not to provide any analysis.

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 11:31 OriginalName wrote:
Im going to focus on the people who stayed on bugs until the end of yesterday for my lynch targets today.

This is mostly based on most of them managing to lurk harder than me. Which saying alot I personally dont like the vibe i get off of iGrok/DrH. I avoided DrH yesterday because i was increadably unsure of WBG until later on and I decided based on the reasons i have stated to move over to Errandor.

Pyo I even forgot was playing until about he a few posts one of which was chastising my FoS on Navillus which i by the way look back on and realize that I was being an idiot.

His reasoning behind voting WBG basically went oh DrH said hes third party so im going to agree without posting my own contributions and uses this reasoning:

Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip



Hes just adovacting a pure info lynch that really doesnt tell us jackshit in either case. Afterwords WBG then calls him out for the same thing I am he responds with this:

way to not read my post and selectively bolded not my reason for voting for you – getting information is only icing on the cake... I'm voting for you because your indirect 3rd party claim is bizarre and distracting at best



I dont see any bizarre third party claim, I see hints at it but it obviously wasnt what he had in mind. Sure he was trolling abit but this seems like a really weak line of reasoning, despite how we were starting to realize that he probably was not scum.

He also does nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates other than call out Archo_Toilet for being scummier than GGQ who he was voting however he basically did one post and another paragraph later and did not pursue it much farther.

Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out.

As such I will be.

##Vote Pyo


+ Show Spoiler +
if im on the wrong track again for the love of god speak now.


His main analysis day 2 is on the one person attacking Radfield and his main reasoning is pyo's vote on WBG, null tells considering every lynch was on a townie. And who is the only one who agrees with him on his accusation? Radfield.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 06:39 Radfield wrote:
On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote:
Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet.

I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point.

Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar?


I'm more sure of Jackal than Palmar. Jackal has done nothing this game but antagonize and cut players down, yet has no reads at all of those people. Palmar is on the short list, but I see no reason to put a bunch of reads out and let mafia cherry pick the lynch.


Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 07:12 OriginalName wrote:
Im voting jackal. Not much more to say I could write a huge massive wall of text that you guys wont read anyways but I feel like actually enjoying RL.

Jist of it is:

Meh D1 with shitty excuses
Some random contradition about 95% of the time he has shit reads on D1 and then swears on his grave that it was a good read, then turns out to be a shit read.

+ Show Spoiler +
Im just going to point out my opinion on WBG, yes he trolled the shit out of us for 24-36 hours but the last few hours he just seemed townie to me.


lastly now that we have lots of pressure on him he just uses shitty one liners to defend himself.

##Vote Jackal58




He clearly follows Radfield's lead for his final vote.

##Vote: Original_Name


Yeah and Pyo just voted him with little analysis, on top of that I also did that BEFORE he accused Radfield and just because he coincedentally decided to vote for scum he did not attempt to push him at all.One Vote without reasoning means almost jackshit to anyone actually reading the thread.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 23 2011 21:58 GMT
#1635
damn iGrok, give us the name. Don't play around. I promise you that you won't get lynched.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
September 23 2011 22:03 GMT
#1636
On September 24 2011 05:44 heist wrote:
You don't lynch them. That's what you don't do.


Actually if there's a bp sk out there (as I still believe chaoser is), then we literally have no choice but to lynch him at some point.

Also, why are you trying to get ON lynched instead of iGrok?
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 23 2011 22:24 GMT
#1637
On September 24 2011 07:03 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 05:44 heist wrote:
You don't lynch them. That's what you don't do.


Actually if there's a bp sk out there (as I still believe chaoser is), then we literally have no choice but to lynch him at some point.

Also, why are you trying to get ON lynched instead of iGrok?


Because heist #1 badlogic.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2011 22:41 GMT
#1638
heist: What is ON flips town? Then we have to lynch iGrok for the THIRD time lol. And no matter what he flips after that is gonna be you. And if your analysis on ON was just horribly wrong, we had wasted 3 townmembers just to lynch iGrok.

Guess what, then it's no use to even talk about LYLO anymore..

I'm not even considering to switch my vote off iGrok, unless he actually starts doing something (aka tells us who saruman is). He already failed to shoot last night, and now he comes up with this Saruman thing. Also i'm curious why Drazerk isn't dead already.
table for two on a tv tray
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 23 2011 22:46 GMT
#1639
On September 24 2011 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
heist: What is ON flips town? Then we have to lynch iGrok for the THIRD time lol. And no matter what he flips after that is gonna be you. And if your analysis on ON was just horribly wrong, we had wasted 3 townmembers just to lynch iGrok.

Guess what, then it's no use to even talk about LYLO anymore..

I'm not even considering to switch my vote off iGrok, unless he actually starts doing something (aka tells us who saruman is). He already failed to shoot last night, and now he comes up with this Saruman thing. Also i'm curious why Drazerk isn't dead already.


I've explained this to you.

I am controllable until they lose their RBer and on top of this I am a very easy lynch target due to my connection with iGrok it makes no sense for Mafia to kill me yet.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2011 22:47 GMT
#1640
Also I'd like to add i fucking hate myself so much for Jackal lynch day 2. I even said at the beginning of the day:

On September 22 2011 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.

##vote: Jackal58


That would be the eaasy way to explain WBG mafia hit.

Also Jackal's proposition to give the ring to WBG and see what happens don't seem scummy to me, it just gives a reason to mafia to kill WBG night 1 and push a lynch on Jackal day 2.


And guess what Radfield does the very next possible moment. And we all sheep him. Why did everyone miss this one of my posts? I even missed it myself lol..

Now the only person who can change my mind is iGrok himself.
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