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On June 22 2011 17:47 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 17:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 22 2011 17:38 youngminii wrote:On June 20 2011 12:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Idea for night actions
Currently here is what I would like to do. I want ALL vigilantes to target hiro tonight. Vigilante hits get refunded if they are stacked with mafia or anything else, so we won't be wasting hits. I will also carefully think through how I would like to try to organize the remaining DT/Hatters and on what subjects to have them act.
All ideas are welcome for this. my initial thoughts are Mataza, DeMorcerf, and VisceraEyes HAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ....? You caught me, I am definitely not above using elaborate strategies to confuse mafia. wait.... look at how I avoided dying so far? There is a reason that while we are both considered vets, that I am on a whole different level and its because I can change up styles to do what needs to be done. Much like Jack Bauer.... ok there's absolutely no way i'm letting you live today just wait until the game is over and you'll see that your tunneling of me was terrible if not horrific once we kill you maybe we'll FINALLY get to tackle the lurkers
I told you on Skype, and I will tell you here. There is no fucking way I am going to throw this game by letting you live, and letting this uninformed fool by the name of Mataza use convaluted plans with bad results to end me. You will have to wade through a sea of logical arguments, and badass analysis while hell freezes over around me before I throw this game to sheer stupidity. You are just lucky that your side can somewhat control your lurkers, while my side has to figure out whether or not we should kill them.
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Your fake determination is admirable.
/applaud
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To Varpulis
Moving on to day 1, his activity goes away. He has a grand total of 1 post in day 1:
Well... you do know that most of my posts on day 1 (?) were within an hour of each other so if you think about it its not that much activity...
Active lurking Despite not posting often or at all for long stretches, FudgeMunkey responds quickly to criticisms and accusations.
Well of course you'd respond to any criticism/accusation quickly its not like you just want to LURK properly by saying just about nothing at all. Just take RoL for instance, he reply's to almost everything said to him withing the hour...
Voting
Vote: RoL
Oh and RoL who else do you think is scum other than me?
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Oh look, hours after my analysis we see FudgeMunkey popping right in to sheep along with Youngminii. The guy with a grand total of 8 posts is active enough to respond that quickly. Anyone who continues going along with this seriously needs to double check their thought process. This is obviously a lynch full of shit right now.
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I did a quick count, I think I am voted for 10-2 or 10-3 or something right now.
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@Mataza
Can't you get the message where Sandroba told RoL that you're blue from Sandroba? Or would that be considered cheating now that he's dead?
I am taking my vote off of RoL for now. If his claim is true then it would be very detrimental for us to kill him.
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We can't do that, and I already sent him the message I got from sandroba, its somewhere earlier in the thread.
On June 22 2011 11:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I will reveal the portion where I am breadcrumbed Mataza's role. I finally figured it out, with the help of Mataza. Show nested quote +
[6/18/2011 6:09:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm gonna pasate his msg
[6/18/2011 6:09:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: It´s not really an analysis in my opinion, I just posted to get discussion going again.
I don´t feel to well with either lynch, it will probably be a witch hunt again, like always
I seriously doubt Demorcerf being scum though.
ILJ will hold my vote until a better case comes up.
It´s a better case than Sina or Aidnai.
As for lurkers, I´m no fan of lurker hunting. Some scum might be lurking, but it is beyond me how to find them normally.
Too bad no one followed your plan, was looking forward to it.
The bold portion was supposed to infer that the only reason Mataza would be interested in Sandroba's (shitty) plan is because Mataza himself was a DT. It was such a vague reference that I never even realized it until Mataza pointed it out a couple of hours ago.
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The thing that you might be thinking of his Mataza claiming that sandroba told him in IRC that he straight up claimed to me that Mataza was blue. I sent Mataza all my skype/PM logs and it's not in there because it never happened. I seriously never knew Mataza was blue.
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Seriously though, as a message to inactivity, if you aren't going to fucking post then don't sign up. This part of the game is ridiculous. Fudgemunkey you half respond to my analysis while contributing nothing. So let me get this straight, you have read the thread and have been actively keeping up but didn't feel the need to post regularly except when you are accused? That is just retarded and ruins the game for those of us who actually have to try. From the lurker group I think at least two of you must be mafia, but I have no way to discern which three because you all have less than 10 posts each.
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Well, that bolded part should not even be considered a breadcrumb...
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That's my point exactly, and that's what this lynch is based off of.
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Oh how very fucking voncinvenient.
We are at a point where town needs successfull vigihits to win the game. And guess who suddenly became a vig? Right, the dude on the chopping block.
Look back at what´s happening, now look back here.
The dude on the chopping block is now diamonds.
Yes, it´s true one final piece of evidence is not here, Sandroba only told me he unmistakably told RoL that I am blue. He didn´t give me his Skype history.
Also as we talked via IRC and I didn´t save every single line said I can´t prove that either.
What I can prove is that I am alive and that nobody else claimed to be hit.
And for that, there are only a couple of explanations:
1. My explanation:
Sandroba told RoL I´m blue and we were both targeted by mafia. I survived because I am veteran.
2. Bloodyc0bblers explanation:
I am scum. My team gave their ok to use 2 hits on Sandroba, because...(???),
then the plan is for me, the newest player to go ahead and blame it on one off the forum veterans. With an incomplete case.
+ Show Spoiler +Now this is an extremely convoluted plan. It includes several risks for mafia.
The much, much more logical approach would be to use the 2 hits not on Sandroba, but on the forum veteran we want to actually kill.
Since the scumhits didn´t land anywyhere but on Sandroba or possibly Hiro, I would have to convince a scumteam of ~5 players that using 2 hits on Sandroba was somehow better than using 2 hits on RoL, when our goal is to kill RoL.
Which is kind of a hard point to convince someone off because it is just so much worse than the alternative of just shooting him.
3. RoLs explanation:
Sandroba overestimated the blueslip, so the plan did not work.
Mataza is still veteran and should not be lynched in case RoL flips innocent.
Absolutely no explanation why Sandroba and Mataza were hit in the same night.
Now these are 3 different stories for the same event and it can only be 1 of them true.
In the end it´s your call who to believe.
My call however is that RoL is scum and that thinking Bloodyc0bbler, the godfather, could somehow repair the situation, and he commited to the hard to explain side of the argument.
Now because people want analysis and extremely long posts, I present you this:
BC wrote on page 49:
In that same token, you are annoyed I wanted to see hiro and syllogen flip. But Hiro was up for two lynches. Not 1, 2. He had been attacked by a ton of people, and flipped town. Syllogen appeared scummy but flipped town. Seeing the information provided when so much analysis and time had gone into that situation had to be given. Not only did hiro clear that, a red died, and we are left in a much better position than we were day 2.
Like I said before, this is wrong on sooo many levels.
First of all, RoL is now up for his second lynch too. That doesn´t mean he should be flipped for "information" like Syllogism and Hiro yesterday. Yesterday it was ok to flip someone simply for being on the lynch vote twice, today it is not ok anymore.
Now, luckily we have plenty of information from the previous lynches, right?
Ilovejonn was green
grassgiraffe was green
hiro protagonist was blue
Day 1 lynch tells us nothing, because scum were free to lynch anyone on the lynch
RebirthofLegend wasn´t flipped yet
syllogismwas green
hiro protagonist was blue
Day 2 gives us nothing to because the 2 highest lynches were both town.
RoL scored only 2 votes at the end of the day, even though he was the first suspect.
Scum never had to take a stand in the past lynches. There is no valid information to extract, unless you find scum by them explaining which townie they want to see more dead.
Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot?
Now, again, how is our position any better than day 2?
Thsi shows why Node´s death doesn´t matter to scum:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4L4d9.jpg)
The top numbers are the case if Hiro didn´t suicide kill Node
The lower numbers are the case with Hiro suicide killing Node.
As you can see, the game still would end on Night 4.
Since the mafia KP only drops when their numbers go from 5 scum down to 4, it is reasonable safe to go from 6 scum down to 5.
However, by killing Node with Hiro BC could strengthen his position. It was the first scum catch the entire game, so that is a lot of towncred.
With enough towncred, you can make the town believe the things you believe and make them do what you propose.
BC is a known forum veteran, so he starts with a bit of towncred already. So with just a little more towncred he can lead the town to 2 more mislynches, which is all that is needed for scum to win.
Now BC is definitely a good player. After catching Node out of a sea of inactive players with barely anything, he must be smart right?
On June 22 2011 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2011 15:09 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote:
It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing. So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment. Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you. Eh? uncharacteristic? Not really. Someone claims "hi guys I caught a red" his entire argument gets debunked. When the game is also at a point where a misslynch royally fucks the town it is not unsurprising to assume mafia is trying something. At this stage in the game with only 1 red down, 5-11, 1 misslynch and a night of hits puts mafia in a position that only town kp can actually prevent the mafia from winning. You're damn right im suspicious. He comes out with a "solid plan" that was designed to catch a red. Rather than have the only real piece of proof needed to seal the deal it is strangely missing. The situation is now Mataza is scum. Believed roba had solidly "leaked" his role, and double stacked roba or shot hiro in hopes of getting RoL lynched. Or Mataza is vet, mafia shot roba and mataza and this entire situation is a total wtf shit.
Look back at the start, to the 3 explanations of the last night.
He goes ahead and calls my explanation "total wtf shit"
He also says I am scum, my plan was to use both mafia nightkills Sandroba or split between Sandroba and Hiro, and for RoL to tell everyone he is guilty for this plan to work.
And for good measure my plan hinges on Sandroba leaking my role so that RoL would say he is guilty.
My plan is the most simple explanation you can give for this. There is no way BC can actually think it is total wtf shit.
Bloodyc0bbler for Godfather
I am still accepting masons for people who do not want to organize through Godfather, the BloodyC0bbler.
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EBWOP:
However, by killing Node with Hiro, BC could strengthen his position. It was the first scum catch the entire game, so that is a lot of towncred.
Hiro and BC were not clearly separated in this sentence.
Hiro was used to kill Node and that act strengthens BC´s position.
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Mataza, there is a part of me that really really wants to hope you are red, just to explain your shitty reasoning, and your flat out wrong statements.
Just because we lynch a townie does NOT mean that we get no information from the day. If you say that one more time I will murder you with a keyboard. Do you see both of my analysis? They both use previous days posting, and by flat out ignoring day 2 as having information you look like a jackass. Every time someone dies you gain information from it, its just how much information. The fact you wish to ignore ALL behavior analysis and focus solely on your plan is fucking retarded. I begged, I pleaded, I did everything I could on skype to show you I was town and at the end of the day all you could say was "But the trap!" Do you see the problem here? I am outputting analysis and trying to shut down scum, and because of how hard headed you had to act I was forced to fucking role claim in order to try to save my ass. I fucking HATE role claiming, but you need to realize what you are about to lose if you kill me. I knew it would look scummy, but I also knew it was information you needed to know preferably before its 9:50pm.
Please though, put together an analysis on me, then your case will ACTUALLY have merit. Whenever I set a trap for someone in PM's I make sure there is a reason behind it. They have to look partially scummy to begin with and you have to have some reason to think I am scummy in order to set a trap, so by all means show us an analysis. I don't want to see one more fucking post about your shit trap that is going to lose the town the game if people actually follow you.
Second of all about BC killing Node. Are you retarded? Seriously, I want to know. We called for a vigi on hiro to clear up that issue, but then an even better answer came around. Hiro was a mad hatter and could therefore just kill himself, and if he didn't then he was a liar and we lynch him and get a mafia later. Look what you wrote.
Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot?
I want you all to grasp the gravity of this statement, and just how stupid it was. We called for vigi's on hiro, yes. We wanted to resolve that issue, as stated previously if vigi's stack they don't waste their hits so we could ensure hiro died. Even if BC thought Node was mafia at that time there is no reasonable way for him to ensure that both hits are resolved properly and both end up dead. On top of which from what I can tell BC was working with what he had. At that time we needed hiro to die to clear up suspects, and as you even stated earlier, at that point we had no real information to work with, so even if BC was suspicious of Node, why would he call for a vigi hit on him unless he was certain? Wasting a vigilante hit is retarded, especially if you aren't sure or it isn't necessary.
In the case of Hiro, if he had not claimed a vig hit would indeed be necessary because it saves the town from wasting the next days lynch. In the case of node, I would imagine BC had suspicions of him, as even I did at some points in the thread and when given the option of Mad Hatter Hiro why would we waste his suicide? Might as well hit a scummy suspect, so BC capitalized and had him hit Node, which is totally reasonable.
To counter your argument of BC sacrificing Node because, well why the fuck not? Look at reasoning. If BC played along had hiro bomb someone then just role blocked him, we would be using this fucking lynch to kill hiro right now, and would still be in a world of shit. From what I know, I am pretty sure his bomb was on a townie last night as well, so a role block and a lynch would actually put us in a 6-5 scenario for tomorrow, meaning a guaranteed game over for town barring absolute perfection.
So regardless of your KP math, and your wonderful little MSPaint picture, your reasoning is just flat out fucking wrong. Your explanation of BC being godfather and pushing node is wrong. Your trap while ignoring any sort of actual behavior analysis is stupid, and your belief that there is no way to get analysis from town lynches is just flat out wrong.
So tell me are you going to shape up or shut up? I really don't give a shit which one at this point, but constantly deflecting your redundant and meaningless words, arguments, and opinions is growing tiresome.
And as a shout out to the remaining townies, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Do something, and we will win this. If this lynch happens the way I hope it will, I can almost assure victory for us.
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I'm not sure if I'm overly trusting or just being stupid, but RoL is making a lot of sense to me. His points, coupled with BC's criticism and Mataza's lack of evidence leads me to believe that it's either a ploy by scum or a really unlucky circumstance. Also, I've been very suspicious of FudgeMunkey for a long time. If RoL vigi's him tonight, I'm content with letting him live.
FudgeMunkey half responded to my analysis, ignored RoL's, and continues to lurk and sheep.
##unvote
##vote Youngminii If he flips green I want to see RoL dead by the morning, k?
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On June 23 2011 00:41 Varpulis wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm overly trusting or just being stupid, but RoL is making a lot of sense to me. His points, coupled with BC's criticism and Mataza's lack of evidence leads me to believe that it's either a ploy by scum or a really unlucky circumstance. Also, I've been very suspicious of FudgeMunkey for a long time. If RoL vigi's him tonight, I'm content with letting him live.
FudgeMunkey half responded to my analysis, ignored RoL's, and continues to lurk and sheep.
##unvote
##vote Youngminii If he flips green I want to see RoL dead by the morning, k?
you know why scum claim vig don't you
because scum can hit people
herp derp
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@mataza
if RoL flips red then obviously BC is implicated too
it's so silly how some people are actually buying his story
if he flips vig i'll eat my words though, but then so will RoL when i flip non-red
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On June 23 2011 00:57 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 00:41 Varpulis wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm overly trusting or just being stupid, but RoL is making a lot of sense to me. His points, coupled with BC's criticism and Mataza's lack of evidence leads me to believe that it's either a ploy by scum or a really unlucky circumstance. Also, I've been very suspicious of FudgeMunkey for a long time. If RoL vigi's him tonight, I'm content with letting him live.
FudgeMunkey half responded to my analysis, ignored RoL's, and continues to lurk and sheep.
##unvote
##vote Youngminii If he flips green I want to see RoL dead by the morning, k?
you know why scum claim vig don't you because scum can hit people herp derp
If scum want to kill themselves, i'm cool with that. If FudgeMunkey isn't scum i'll be quite surprised.
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On June 23 2011 01:13 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 00:57 youngminii wrote:On June 23 2011 00:41 Varpulis wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm overly trusting or just being stupid, but RoL is making a lot of sense to me. His points, coupled with BC's criticism and Mataza's lack of evidence leads me to believe that it's either a ploy by scum or a really unlucky circumstance. Also, I've been very suspicious of FudgeMunkey for a long time. If RoL vigi's him tonight, I'm content with letting him live.
FudgeMunkey half responded to my analysis, ignored RoL's, and continues to lurk and sheep.
##unvote
##vote Youngminii If he flips green I want to see RoL dead by the morning, k?
you know why scum claim vig don't you because scum can hit people herp derp If scum want to kill themselves, i'm cool with that. If FudgeMunkey isn't scum i'll be quite surprised.
you have to learn to differentiate townies that just get bored of the game and scum who are barely hanging on by a thread
fudge is the former, landenc is definitely the latter and probably demorcerf too, dunno about jacinto
shraft is flying way under the radar too
see the thing i'm afraid of is the scenario where we're just all town shooting at each other while 4/5 scum are lurkers that haven't come up on anyone's radar because they've just hidden in plain sight
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Why is FudgeMunkey bored town when LandenC is scum? Do you not see the active lurking and the complete lack of response to requests to contribute? I've attempted to pressure him into activity twice. Both times he made 1 post in his defense then went back to lurking. He's scum, not bored.
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