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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On June 23 2011 01:20 youngminii wrote: you have to learn to differentiate townies that just get bored of the game and scum who are barely hanging on by a thread Oh, and don't you dare try to discredit my argument because I'm less experienced than you. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
what's with the hostility man i have NEVER, not once said that i am better than anyone else in this game in fact, the ONLY person who's been tossing around the "I'm the best player ever guys I'm going to tear shit apart" is RoL okay basically EVERYONE in this thread has to take it down a notch, a hostile town is good for scum, don't misinterpret my posts as discrediting you, i am merely pointing out what i believe, if you don't like it then okay fine but obviously i'll try to convince you otherwise for the purposes of winning this game this applies to you too mataza, stop being a trigger finger at anyone who doesn't agree with you | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I am going to try to take a nap and not sleep through the deadline, however I have been awake for around 28 hours right now and if I sleep for 8 hours I wouldn't be surprised. I urge anyone who is just getting on tonight and hasn't gotten a chance, please read pages 47-present and see who is making the most sense and make the most reasonable choice. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD While I hate that there's no proof of Sandroba telling RoL in no uncertain terms that Mataza is blue. While I'm suspicious of Mataza's reaction to BC requiring proof. There's something I can't get past. RoL claimed Vigilante. First of all, the outside view of Vigilantes is the exact same as scum. They kill someone at night. Second, the only time I've EVER seen someone claim vig BEFORE someone is shot and killed....is when it's scum trying to save their life. What good does claiming do if it's true? Mafia will likely role-block him, so his plan of killing FudgeMunkey is out. All it serves to do is to save himself. Furthermore, I agree with Mataza's assessment that if the Mafia wanted RoL dead, they would have killed him n2 instead of FAKING some kind of super-play, and do so knowing there's no proof. As far as RoL's behavior, d2 he did literally just WAIT until a few hours before the deadline, then start throwing around insults until enough votes were off him. He's been actively lurking since the very beginning. I'm sure he and BC will tell you that it's because there's no point in playing until d3...but in doing so, town has literally been put in a position where we have to either trust in Mataza's plan, or believe someone as scummy as RoL to survive. If we don't hit scum today, we're dead. And I believe RoL is scum. I believe he's been actively lurking, sniping blues (they've had EXCEPTIONAL aim), and watching 24 the whole game. I conclude this post with something everyone should factor in. I'm masoned with Mataza. He claimed Veteran to me d1. This means that if he's scum, he fake claimed me d1, put on a show of crumbing DT (he's not very good at it, obviously), and ultimately waited until d3 to put his fake plan. It's too much of a stretch for me. Vote RoL. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Also, consider this: Scum on the chopping block will claim vigilante (Even though they'll have to implicate more members or fake a double stack in order to make their hit look real) A vigilante on the chopping block will claim vigilante It's a null-tell at best, and saying it makes him look scummy is silly. If he's scum or a vig, he's going to claim. On June 22 2011 17:47 youngminii wrote: ok there's absolutely no way i'm letting you live today just wait until the game is over and you'll see that your tunneling of me was terrible if not horrific once we kill you maybe we'll FINALLY get to tackle the lurkers On June 22 2011 17:55 youngminii wrote: Okay here's the lowdown for anyone tuning in that doesn't understand/doesn't wanna sift through pages of horseshit. The following may or may not be in chronological order. - I want to focus on lurkers, primarily LandenC and demorcerf - Mataza claimed Vet and that he was hit. He also claimed to have set up a plan with Sandroba (who is now dead) - This plan was sprung and apparently paints RoL as scum - Mataza is absolutely sure that the plan went off, RoL denies taking the bait while Mataza claims Sandroba made absolutely sure RoL took the bait - BC thinks Mataza is making this all up in an elaborate plan set up by the mafia - RoL posts an analysis where he believes that I am mafia - RoL claims Vig, however just last night he posted: - RoL claims he was 'tricking' the mafia Basically it's coming down to lynching RoL based on Mataza's plan, his slip up with the Vig claim and his past history I guess, or me based on RoL's analysis. Keep in mind the same tunneling style that RoL used in the previous day's syllogism lynch. Two posts, less than 10 minutes apart. "I'm going to kill RoL, but say I want to focus on the lurkers, so when RoL flips town I can just say we should have focused on the lurkers" Is no one else seeing this? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
COUNTERCLAIM NOW | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 23 2011 04:43 VisceraEyes wrote: This isn't a setup where we know exactly how many of what roles there are, so counterclaiming doesn't really tell us much. It's possible that RoL is vig AND someone else is too. yeah i just realized that lol. i thought a vig died during the game | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
Call me gullible or stupid, but I'm starting to lean more and more toward not lynching RoL. I have had this feeling all game long that he was blue or green. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
[01:15:41] Mataza: masons, number of and names [01:15:57] RebirthofLegend: I just got wiggles [01:15:58] RebirthofLegend: I have BC [01:16:01] RebirthofLegend: youngminii [01:16:03] RebirthofLegend: sandroba [01:16:04] RebirthofLegend: aidnai [01:16:06] RebirthofLegend: opz [01:16:15] RebirthofLegend: I think that's it [01:16:21] RebirthofLegend: oh and you [01:16:28] Mataza: did you have someone who died, scamp for example? [01:16:30] RebirthofLegend: I requested opz and you [01:16:33] RebirthofLegend: no All the people on this list claimed open to be connected to RoL, except for Sandroba and BC. BC, everyone has BC. Sandroba was outed through my claim. If you are masoned to RoL and not on this list, then he tries to keep it a secret. He lied about the number of masons before, first 6 then 3 and now it turns out it was 5. RebirthofLegends plan is a farce: He says he wanted to survive the first night by being protected by one or more medics, because he has so many connections. What he first told us was he wanted to hunt scum in PMs, and because he didn´t do so he was on the chopping block day 2. He literally just watched Jack Bauer hunt scum instead. For those masoned to RoL: You chained yourself to a black hole, nothing you put in will come out after your death. And your death may come sooner than you think. If your backupmason is BC, tough luck, he is the same. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 22 2011 23:57 Mataza wrote: My plan is the most simple explanation you can give for this. There is no way BC can actually think it is total wtf shit. Bloodyc0bbler for Godfather I am still accepting masons for people who do not want to organize through Godfather, the BloodyC0bbler. For this to be true, RoL cant be mafia (Or Flamewheel is the most evil villain in all of TLMafia) I mean, it would make sense if it was BC youngminii FudgeMunkey (Node is dead) 1 2 but the 1 or 2 cannot be RoL because i stated it early Based off the meta game, a BC/RoL team would be completely imbalanced and the town already lost from the start. Oh ya, arent you a lynch RoL advocate? | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've made my final decision. ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD While I hate that there's no proof of Sandroba telling RoL in no uncertain terms that Mataza is blue. While I'm suspicious of Mataza's reaction to BC requiring proof. There's something I can't get past. RoL claimed Vigilante. First of all, the outside view of Vigilantes is the exact same as scum. They kill someone at night. Second, the only time I've EVER seen someone claim vig BEFORE someone is shot and killed....is when it's scum trying to save their life. What good does claiming do if it's true? Mafia will likely role-block him, so his plan of killing FudgeMunkey is out. All it serves to do is to save himself. Furthermore, I agree with Mataza's assessment that if the Mafia wanted RoL dead, they would have killed him n2 instead of FAKING some kind of super-play, and do so knowing there's no proof. As far as RoL's behavior, d2 he did literally just WAIT until a few hours before the deadline, then start throwing around insults until enough votes were off him. He's been actively lurking since the very beginning. I'm sure he and BC will tell you that it's because there's no point in playing until d3...but in doing so, town has literally been put in a position where we have to either trust in Mataza's plan, or believe someone as scummy as RoL to survive. If we don't hit scum today, we're dead. And I believe RoL is scum. I believe he's been actively lurking, sniping blues (they've had EXCEPTIONAL aim), and watching 24 the whole game. I conclude this post with something everyone should factor in. I'm masoned with Mataza. He claimed Veteran to me d1. This means that if he's scum, he fake claimed me d1, put on a show of crumbing DT (he's not very good at it, obviously), and ultimately waited until d3 to put his fake plan. It's too much of a stretch for me. Vote RoL. I asked for proof before anyone else btw viscera...Just gonna point that out there, home boi. If there is another vig in the town, I would please beg you to publically role claim, as you posting would make this a world of ease simpler in finding out whether or not lynching RoL is a good idea. Srsly, you're a regular townie after you use your kill, and you will have a target after this lynch that is probably 90 to 95% sure mafia. So plz claim. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2011 04:48 Shraft wrote: Yes, claiming vig won't really help much at all. Call me gullible or stupid, but I'm starting to lean more and more toward not lynching RoL. I have had this feeling all game long that he was blue or green. Counter claiming would give us plenty of information. so far we know there are 30 players, 6 scum, 2 dt's, 1 med, 1 veteran, 1 hatter. That's just all we know, but thats 6 scum, 5 blues, and 1 miller. Counter claiming vig, will open the vig up for a better hit, discredit RoL, and just make this less of a head ache. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I was under the impression that alignments are randomly generated. Is that not the case? ...Too possible vigs, Plz Publically role claim. I explain why on page 52. And to answer your question, the host has the final say in alignment. They will often not stack two very bangin players on the mafia without considerably good players as town. Give a fair chance to both sides. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I was under the impression that alignments are randomly generated. Is that not the case? It depends on the host. I think they're normally randomly generated, but may be changed by the host for balancing purposes. Say, me, RoL, BC, Node, YM, and OpZ were all mafia, the game would be imbalanced due to the relative experience level of the players on the scum team compared to the rest of town, so the host would change it a bit. At least, that's how I think it works. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Balance cannot be used as far as I can see. Anyone got anything else? Time is ticking. Yeah, using balance as an argument for alignment is really weak. | ||
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