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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Yeah, using balance as an argument for alignment is really weak. It wouldn't be weak if we had more info...we just don't. The way the vets play this game (and the way the noobs sheep them), the vets live until mafia kill them or d3 and later when the vets have 'enough information'. I'm not saying it's wrong or anything, I'm also not condoning it. It's just the way the higher-level games go. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 21 2011 12:57 youngminii wrote: I like the lurker attack. Out of the lurkers, landenc seems the most scummy to me. Fudgemunkey seems like a townie that became bored towards the later stages. Vote going to landenc for now. YoungMinni and Fudgemonkey have been very buddy buddy actually....Fudge agrees with YM on everything, and YM protects Fudgemonkey? On June 22 2011 01:55 youngminii wrote: yeah okay there's quite a decent chance that they're all red the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy Went from defending, to a decent chance....Okay.... On June 22 2011 04:03 youngminii wrote: You gave us an alternative lynch yesterday. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us. You've had 3 days to 'dominate' and use your PM network. It seems as if your recurring theme this game is "fuck you I'll dominate this game later". Anyway if you don't end up scum then mataza will obviously have some explaining to do. ...And now your getting more certain....Even though nothing really happened... On June 22 2011 09:25 youngminii wrote: wiggles i'm curious as to why you put so much effort into defending RoL then you make one line saying 'i agree with this guy' especially when: surely you'd have to have thought i was pretty townie if you wanted a medic to use their save on me i don't want this to be ignored, answer it when you're here Shit changes over time YM....Shit changes. Anyway...I was just going through your post history, and shit was bugging me. But after rereading Fudge's and your posts...I'm noticing a two way connection. Do you care to...idk...explain how RoL's assumptions of you two is incorrect? You do realize if RoL doesn't pop red, you're dead tomorrow YM? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
##vote youngminii | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:00 Kenpachi wrote: For this to be true, RoL cant be mafia (Or Flamewheel is the most evil villain in all of TLMafia) I mean, it would make sense if it was BC youngminii FudgeMunkey (Node is dead) 1 2 but the 1 or 2 cannot be RoL because i stated it early Based off the meta game, a BC/RoL team would be completely imbalanced and the town already lost from the start. Oh ya, arent you a lynch RoL advocate? You have a point, but as was said already, balance is a weak argument for someone to be scum or town. The way this game presents itself to me I´m inclined to heavily question everyone on the zodiac list. I wrote down the initial reactions of the players after I claimed veteran and my plan. Rebirthoflegend - is being attacked by Mataza/attacks YM BloodyC0bbler - keeps finding reasons to play down my plan Mr.Wiggles - tries to salvage RoL by sheeping the YM attack Opz - distances himself from RoL already, began analysing votes of day 1 & day 2 for no reason Youngminii - "lynching rol or opz is a crapshoot, let´s lynch landenc" And the one question I ask is, why does BC fight against my plan in order to save RoL? He tried really hard to debunk my plan and discredit my conclusion. He then came to the conclusion that my plan is extremely convoluted and the easy explanation is that I am scum doing a really laughable play. And that same person is the one who found Node in a sea of inactives that is half the players. By virtue of being on the zodiac list and not being helpful, unlike the other inactives who weren´t helping. Also the vets on this list had no comments for this at all. Only Youngminii commented on this, and he is the lynch proposed by RoL. Analysing votes was never helpful in a game without heavily debated lynchs or votelist checks. If these people are supposed to save the town with their experience, I damn well want to see at least something. "Newbie attacks RoL and BC, let´s analyse the day 1 and day 2 votes and distance ourself from RoL." This is NOT what I was expecting. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Balance cannot be used as far as I can see. Anyone got anything else? Time is ticking. Further evidence backing up RoL's case against youngminii and fudgemonkey. Personally I would rather we just move all the votes to fudgemonkey, allow RoL to Vig YM at night (given he is actually a vig), and go from there. That seriously seems like the best course of action, because if YM isn't red, then it's down to BC and RoL. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KANTBEUSEFULCHI?! | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:57 Mataza wrote: You have a point, but as was said already, balance is a weak argument for someone to be scum or town. The way this game presents itself to me I´m inclined to heavily question everyone on the zodiac list. I wrote down the initial reactions of the players after I claimed veteran and my plan. And the one question I ask is, why does BC fight against my plan in order to save RoL? He tried really hard to debunk my plan and discredit my conclusion. He then came to the conclusion that my plan is extremely convoluted and the easy explanation is that I am scum doing a really laughable play. And that same person is the one who found Node in a sea of inactives that is half the players. By virtue of being on the zodiac list and not being helpful, unlike the other inactives who weren´t helping. Also the vets on this list had no comments for this at all. Only Youngminii commented on this, and he is the lynch proposed by RoL. Analysing votes was never helpful in a game without heavily debated lynchs or votelist checks. If these people are supposed to save the town with their experience, I damn well want to see at least something. "Newbie attacks RoL and BC, let´s analyse the day 1 and day 2 votes and distance ourself from RoL." This is NOT what I was expecting. I wanted a god damn updated Vote list with confirmed players on it. Wtf is wrong with that. I'm not as eloquent as BC and RoL. I'm not as disciplined. I was hoping to see a pattern. I'd rather lynch Fudgemonkey then lynch YM or RoL at this point, but I'm almost sure 1 of them two is mafia, and I'm damned close to sure fudgemonkey is. It's like he's been with YM since the beginning...oh wait...He probably has. Fudgemonkey IS LIKELY scum, and WILL give us more information than RoL. -_-...I'm cereal guys, so so so cereal. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Votecounts Day 3 Vote Tally Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (9): Mataza, youngminii, Shraft, Jacinto, GGQ, Kenpachi, sinani206, FudgeMunkey, VisceraEyes Votes for youngminii (5): RebirthOfLeGenD, Mr. Wiggles, Varpulis, ~Opz~, Bloodyc0bbler Look, it´s almost the entire zodiac list. BloodyC0bbler Mr.Wiggles Opz Youngminii I don´t believe in coincidences. I don´t believe the results of last night just looked like my plan worked, but actually didn´t. I don´t believe that Bloodyc0bbler actually thinks it is the best explanation that I am scum with a very questionable plan. I don´t believe that everyone on the zodiac list has had very few comments for this and in unison think that youngminii is scum, when RoL should be under heavy suspicion again. I don´t believe that RoL is a vigilante. Fact is there has been no scum on the lynch block yet. Aside from RoL, all major suspects flipped innocent. RoL is the only person to get away alive from being nearly lynched. I don´t think this is a coincidence either. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:22 Mataza wrote: If you count balance as evidence, I have my special evidence right here: Look, it´s almost the entire zodiac list. I don´t believe in coincidences. I don´t believe the results of last night just looked like my plan worked, but actually didn´t. I don´t believe that Bloodyc0bbler actually thinks it is the best explanation that I am scum with a very questionable plan. I don´t believe that everyone on the zodiac list has had very few comments for this and in unison think that youngminii is scum, when RoL should be under heavy suspicion again. I don´t believe that RoL is a vigilante. Fact is there has been no scum on the lynch block yet. Aside from RoL, all major suspects flipped innocent. RoL is the only person to get away alive from being nearly lynched. I don´t think this is a coincidence either. I'm nowhere near saying RoL isn't likely scum! I'm just not willing to lynch him. You're missing that nail in the coffin. Remember me asking you to post your pms and logs? That's why. That's what I was looking for. I needed to see what was said to make RoL think you were blue. Instead I come up with a better lynch candidate, and no one will change to him. I want to lynch Fudgemonkey because of his buddy buddy ties to YM and his lack of activity, shoddy defence, and RoL's post. Even if he is outed as mafia, RoL is not clear unless YM pops red during the night phase by RoL's vig hit, that may/may not happen, but would confirm him if it did. @_@....SERIOUSLY, WTF LOOK AT THAT AND TELL ME WHATS BAD ABOUT THAT? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: Further evidence backing up RoL's case against youngminii and fudgemonkey. Personally I would rather we just move all the votes to fudgemonkey, allow RoL to Vig YM at night (given he is actually a vig), and go from there. That seriously seems like the best course of action, because if YM isn't red, then it's down to BC and RoL. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KANTBEUSEFULCHI?! YM flipping might clear up an issue that I really doubt fudgemunkeys death will. That is my issue here. I really can't say more about it. Oh and Mataza you want to know why BC is defending me? I asked him for help. I saw this railroad coming and you were half ignoring everything I said claiming it was predeath scum wifom. I pleaded my case to BC and asked him if he honestly thought I was scum based off behavior, he didn't and when you showed your little "bread crumb" that was why I knew you were blue, he knew this was stupid. Btw thanks for after I post about how you do stupid shit, you respond by leaking all my mason information in a desperate attempt to prove I lied. Hint: I didn't. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I haven't ignored it. I'm trying to compartmentalize information received from RoL because I suspect him. Him claiming Vig on the block killed any credibility he might've garnered since he's actually started playing, at least for me. I have played enough games to know it would look like a desperate mafia ploy, but it's true and I figure it's more important that you know I am a vigilante before you go murdering away your hopes of winning this game. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have played enough games to know it would look like a desperate mafia ploy, but it's true and I figure it's more important that you know I am a vigilante before you go murdering away your hopes of winning this game. According to you, you can kill YM during the night phase. So it doesn't matter, if you're certain about both. I agree with it on YM. I believe I've said that before. In the thread or in a pm to you, i can't recall. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:22 Mataza wrote: If you count balance as evidence, I have my special evidence right here: Look, it´s almost the entire zodiac list. I don´t believe in coincidences. I don´t believe the results of last night just looked like my plan worked, but actually didn´t. I don´t believe that Bloodyc0bbler actually thinks it is the best explanation that I am scum with a very questionable plan. I don´t believe that everyone on the zodiac list has had very few comments for this and in unison think that youngminii is scum, when RoL should be under heavy suspicion again. I don´t believe that RoL is a vigilante. Fact is there has been no scum on the lynch block yet. Aside from RoL, all major suspects flipped innocent. RoL is the only person to get away alive from being nearly lynched. I don´t think this is a coincidence either. Wait, you realize you just were trying to use a "host would balance the game" argument, and then posred that me, wiggles, BC, and opz must be scum..? You do realize that would be IMBALANCED and UNLIKELY of a team. Look at these voting wagons, the only people standing up to my railroad and siding with me are veterans, you know why? They can see I am town. Those people voting against me and those refusing to commentate on this situation and just sheep fucking voted for me? Yeah, they are scum. You are being so damn headstrong for no reason man. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:46 ~OpZ~ wrote: According to you, you can kill YM during the night phase. So it doesn't matter, if you're certain about both. I agree with it on YM. I believe I've said that before. In the thread or in a pm to you, i can't recall. It's not the same, trust me. It WILL clear up a discrepancy if he flips what I think he will flip. I didn't walk into this half heartedly. I know what I am doing and if you trust both of my analysis, and you trust my innocence then you need to follow through with the plan I have layed out. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
##Vote youngminii | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
We are 16 players right now. Scum have 3 kp, if they lose one member before the night, they are down to 2 kp. Let´s assume first that RoL is innocent and Vigilante and just loves Jack Bauer: 11 Townies against 5 scum 1.1 We lynch right. RoL shoots right. Scum can only kill 2 people. Tomorrow we are at 9 town against 3 scum. 1.2 We lynch right. RoL shoots wrong. Scum can only kill 2 people. Tomorrow it´s 8 vs 4. 1.3 We lynch wrong. RoL shoots right. Scum can kill 3 people. Tomorrow it´s 7 vs 4. 1.4 We lynch wrong and we shoot wrong. We are fucked. 6 town vs 5 scum. Now you say you think RoL might be scum. Let´s assume that next. 11 townies against 5 scum 2.1 We lynch right. No shooting. Scum can only kill 2 people. Tomorrow it´s 9 vs 4. 2.2 We lynch wrong, still no shooting. Scum can kill 3 people. Tomorrow it´s 7 vs 5. Now as you can see it is extremely important we lynch right today because it will affect scum kp. You tell me that Fudgemonkey was buddying with Youngminii? How about BC giving his all to stop RoL from being lynched. Or you with RoL for that matter? But I digress, because you, ~Opz~, were the first to agree with RoL that a dead thread is a towntell. On June 19 2011 12:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Remember that thing I said about a dead thread being an obvious tell...? On June 19 2011 12:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm in complete agreement with RoL, tbh. I also vividly remember that you voted for me, because I doubted RoL. That was your entire line of reasoning. On June 19 2011 10:30 ~OpZ~ wrote: ....How would you know if he didn't PM anything serious to one of his PM buddies if you don't mind me asking? You get my vote for that... No ones questioned my disappearance? And then you proceeded to stealth bandwagon onto syllogism. No reason was given in the thread. Also you 2 inscenated a play that not so stealthily tells everyone you are vigilante, ~Opz~. On June 20 2011 08:37 ~OpZ~ wrote: I've decided to give RoL a chance....I'm still going to be willing to vote for him. On June 20 2011 08:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: OpZ you should just wait until night time then vigi me again. On June 20 2011 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: Can only hit once, sry. So by this we know that you both obviously talked about roles in your PMs. Also this little quip suggests that RoL is Veteran, not Vigilante. This is the exact opposite of what he is now claiming. Care to talk your way out of this? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Wait, you realize you just were trying to use a "host would balance the game" argument, and then posred that me, wiggles, BC, and opz must be scum..? You do realize that would be IMBALANCED and UNLIKELY of a team. Look at these voting wagons, the only people standing up to my railroad and siding with me are veterans, you know why? They can see I am town. Those people voting against me and those refusing to commentate on this situation and just sheep fucking voted for me? Yeah, they are scum. You are being so damn headstrong for no reason man. No, if you read what I wrote, my point is that balance is an absolute weak argument. OpZ used it. On June 23 2011 06:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: Further evidence backing up RoL's case against youngminii and fudgemonkey. Personally I would rather we just move all the votes to fudgemonkey, allow RoL to Vig YM at night (given he is actually a vig), and go from there. That seriously seems like the best course of action, because if YM isn't red, then it's down to BC and RoL. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KANTBEUSEFULCHI?! He quotes someone mentioning balance and states it is evidence for Youngminii and Fudgemonkey to be scum. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It's not the same, trust me. It WILL clear up a discrepancy if he flips what I think he will flip. I didn't walk into this half heartedly. I know what I am doing and if you trust both of my analysis, and you trust my innocence then you need to follow through with the plan I have layed out. Being innocent doesn´t mean you are right. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
The irony of this statement kills me. | ||
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