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Oh hey, welcome GGQ. Happy to finally get post #6 from you. So what exactly is the problem? Day 1 I was out of town and generally wasn't too active, and wasn't that productive. Fair enough. Day two I am responsible for the syllogism lynch and the majority of the posting. Day 3 is where we are now, and obviously I am one of the only people to actually do analysis up until this point.
Ignoring your balance argument, which I am not even going to bother to respond to. Prove I am mafia from an analysis. Don't just come out here and try to flip the fence sitters on my side, if you say I haven't put any effort in just look at the last day of posting. I dominate it and have put easily 16 of the last 24 hours of my time into this game. Look at my analysis and what I am contributing, and shut your mouth with contentless naysaying. Especially when few people have contributed quite as little as you have.
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RoL, you say 'Prove I'm Scum With Analysis'.
But you have nothing to analyze except pushing a townie lynch and defending yourself. Trust me, I looked.
Now you have a couple analyses, but those were done under the gun and could be viewed as bussing your teammates since you were actually in danger at the time.
Stop telling people PISWA...I think it's PISWAter.
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On June 23 2011 09:35 GGQ wrote:
So good of you to start playing as soon as your life is on the line, RoL.
For reference, *RoL and BC are both scum*
For everyone complaining that this would be imbalanced, hosts aren't always going to follow the same rule of splitting the two 'best' players onto opposite teams, or towns will just start metagaming to find scum. There were a lot of good players in this game, it was balanced even if those two are scum. Plus this fits everybody's belief that the three remaining mafia are most likely newbie lurkers. PLUS having two such skilled players would explain how the mafia managed to turn this game into a miry fog of crap so quickly.
BC has been largely useless right from the start of the game. His zodiac list fit mafia goals perfectly as it discouraged medics from protecting skilled players so he could pick off whoever he felt was a threat. He sets himself up as a town leader throughout day 1, then fails to lead the town in any direction at all. He has made no analysis and pushed no lynches except for vaguely encouraging inactive lynches which he of all people should know is a terrible idea. He happily bussed the most inactive player on his team in a situation where it cost his team nothing. He follows bad lynches and suggests using a vigi shot on 'whoever doesn't get lynched', as if he just doesn't give a shit who is scum and who isn't.
But BC is a problem for another time (or for a vigilante if there's an enterprising young gunman out there somewhere). Right now we need to finally kill fucking RoL, whom BC is working his ass off to save. I can't believe his 'GUYS BELIEVE ME IM BEING SO SINCERE RIGHT NOW' act is convincing so many people to switch their votes. His posts have nothing in them except some frankly uninspiring analysis from someone desperate to dodge the lynch again. He's been caught in how many lies now? He pushed a plan that he admits was bad on night one for the sole purpose of keeping himself alive (wtf, seriously?). He contributed little to nothing all game, he's been caught straight up in a trap by a virtually 100% cleared townie, and now he's claimed vigilante. Good one, RoL! And what happens when your target is still alive tomorrow and you claim roleblocked? What is the town supposed to do then?
It's not that hard, guys. Lynch RoL, shoot BC. TY.
I literally answered all of your BC bullshit in a previous post.
On June 23 2011 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Mataza, there is a part of me that really really wants to hope you are red, just to explain your shitty reasoning, and your flat out wrong statements. Just because we lynch a townie does NOT mean that we get no information from the day. If you say that one more time I will murder you with a keyboard. Do you see both of my analysis? They both use previous days posting, and by flat out ignoring day 2 as having information you look like a jackass. Every time someone dies you gain information from it, its just how much information. The fact you wish to ignore ALL behavior analysis and focus solely on your plan is fucking retarded. I begged, I pleaded, I did everything I could on skype to show you I was town and at the end of the day all you could say was "But the trap!" Do you see the problem here? I am outputting analysis and trying to shut down scum, and because of how hard headed you had to act I was forced to fucking role claim in order to try to save my ass. I fucking HATE role claiming, but you need to realize what you are about to lose if you kill me. I knew it would look scummy, but I also knew it was information you needed to know preferably before its 9:50pm. Please though, put together an analysis on me, then your case will ACTUALLY have merit. Whenever I set a trap for someone in PM's I make sure there is a reason behind it. They have to look partially scummy to begin with and you have to have some reason to think I am scummy in order to set a trap, so by all means show us an analysis. I don't want to see one more fucking post about your shit trap that is going to lose the town the game if people actually follow you. Second of all about BC killing Node. Are you retarded? Seriously, I want to know. We called for a vigi on hiro to clear up that issue, but then an even better answer came around. Hiro was a mad hatter and could therefore just kill himself, and if he didn't then he was a liar and we lynch him and get a mafia later. Look what you wrote. Show nested quote +Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot? I want you all to grasp the gravity of this statement, and just how stupid it was. We called for vigi's on hiro, yes. We wanted to resolve that issue, as stated previously if vigi's stack they don't waste their hits so we could ensure hiro died. Even if BC thought Node was mafia at that time there is no reasonable way for him to ensure that both hits are resolved properly and both end up dead. On top of which from what I can tell BC was working with what he had. At that time we needed hiro to die to clear up suspects, and as you even stated earlier, at that point we had no real information to work with, so even if BC was suspicious of Node, why would he call for a vigi hit on him unless he was certain? Wasting a vigilante hit is retarded, especially if you aren't sure or it isn't necessary. In the case of Hiro, if he had not claimed a vig hit would indeed be necessary because it saves the town from wasting the next days lynch. In the case of node, I would imagine BC had suspicions of him, as even I did at some points in the thread and when given the option of Mad Hatter Hiro why would we waste his suicide? Might as well hit a scummy suspect, so BC capitalized and had him hit Node, which is totally reasonable. To counter your argument of BC sacrificing Node because, well why the fuck not? Look at reasoning. If BC played along had hiro bomb someone then just role blocked him, we would be using this fucking lynch to kill hiro right now, and would still be in a world of shit. From what I know, I am pretty sure his bomb was on a townie last night as well, so a role block and a lynch would actually put us in a 6-5 scenario for tomorrow, meaning a guaranteed game over for town barring absolute perfection. So regardless of your KP math, and your wonderful little MSPaint picture, your reasoning is just flat out fucking wrong. Your explanation of BC being godfather and pushing node is wrong. Your trap while ignoring any sort of actual behavior analysis is stupid, and your belief that there is no way to get analysis from town lynches is just flat out wrong. So tell me are you going to shape up or shut up? I really don't give a shit which one at this point, but constantly deflecting your redundant and meaningless words, arguments, and opinions is growing tiresome. And as a shout out to the remaining townies, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Do something, and we will win this. If this lynch happens the way I hope it will, I can almost assure victory for us.
Now shut up.
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^ see what I did there? Tell me I'm not clever. ^^
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On June 23 2011 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL, you say 'Prove I'm Scum With Analysis'.
But you have nothing to analyze except pushing a townie lynch and defending yourself. Trust me, I looked.
Now you have a couple analyses, but those were done under the gun and could be viewed as bussing your teammates since you were actually in danger at the time.
Stop telling people PISWA...I think it's PISWAter.
Anything can be analyzed. Look at youngminii, he did barely anything. Look at fudgemunkey, he did barely anything. Yet I mounted convincing cases against them. Evidence is always there, its just a matter of if you can see it or not. I have played my fair share of mafia and know how to do an analysis. If you think I am honestly just pushing my team mates in front of a train then by all means accept the free kills and get to me later. You are basically admitting right now that you can't find anything I wrote that is really scummy, nothing that stands out, yet for some reason still want to believe I am scum.
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On June 23 2011 09:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:35 GGQ wrote:
So good of you to start playing as soon as your life is on the line, RoL.
For reference, *RoL and BC are both scum*
For everyone complaining that this would be imbalanced, hosts aren't always going to follow the same rule of splitting the two 'best' players onto opposite teams, or towns will just start metagaming to find scum. There were a lot of good players in this game, it was balanced even if those two are scum. Plus this fits everybody's belief that the three remaining mafia are most likely newbie lurkers. PLUS having two such skilled players would explain how the mafia managed to turn this game into a miry fog of crap so quickly.
BC has been largely useless right from the start of the game. His zodiac list fit mafia goals perfectly as it discouraged medics from protecting skilled players so he could pick off whoever he felt was a threat. He sets himself up as a town leader throughout day 1, then fails to lead the town in any direction at all. He has made no analysis and pushed no lynches except for vaguely encouraging inactive lynches which he of all people should know is a terrible idea. He happily bussed the most inactive player on his team in a situation where it cost his team nothing. He follows bad lynches and suggests using a vigi shot on 'whoever doesn't get lynched', as if he just doesn't give a shit who is scum and who isn't.
But BC is a problem for another time (or for a vigilante if there's an enterprising young gunman out there somewhere). Right now we need to finally kill fucking RoL, whom BC is working his ass off to save. I can't believe his 'GUYS BELIEVE ME IM BEING SO SINCERE RIGHT NOW' act is convincing so many people to switch their votes. His posts have nothing in them except some frankly uninspiring analysis from someone desperate to dodge the lynch again. He's been caught in how many lies now? He pushed a plan that he admits was bad on night one for the sole purpose of keeping himself alive (wtf, seriously?). He contributed little to nothing all game, he's been caught straight up in a trap by a virtually 100% cleared townie, and now he's claimed vigilante. Good one, RoL! And what happens when your target is still alive tomorrow and you claim roleblocked? What is the town supposed to do then?
It's not that hard, guys. Lynch RoL, shoot BC. TY. I literally answered all of your BC bullshit in a previous post. Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Mataza, there is a part of me that really really wants to hope you are red, just to explain your shitty reasoning, and your flat out wrong statements. Just because we lynch a townie does NOT mean that we get no information from the day. If you say that one more time I will murder you with a keyboard. Do you see both of my analysis? They both use previous days posting, and by flat out ignoring day 2 as having information you look like a jackass. Every time someone dies you gain information from it, its just how much information. The fact you wish to ignore ALL behavior analysis and focus solely on your plan is fucking retarded. I begged, I pleaded, I did everything I could on skype to show you I was town and at the end of the day all you could say was "But the trap!" Do you see the problem here? I am outputting analysis and trying to shut down scum, and because of how hard headed you had to act I was forced to fucking role claim in order to try to save my ass. I fucking HATE role claiming, but you need to realize what you are about to lose if you kill me. I knew it would look scummy, but I also knew it was information you needed to know preferably before its 9:50pm. Please though, put together an analysis on me, then your case will ACTUALLY have merit. Whenever I set a trap for someone in PM's I make sure there is a reason behind it. They have to look partially scummy to begin with and you have to have some reason to think I am scummy in order to set a trap, so by all means show us an analysis. I don't want to see one more fucking post about your shit trap that is going to lose the town the game if people actually follow you. Second of all about BC killing Node. Are you retarded? Seriously, I want to know. We called for a vigi on hiro to clear up that issue, but then an even better answer came around. Hiro was a mad hatter and could therefore just kill himself, and if he didn't then he was a liar and we lynch him and get a mafia later. Look what you wrote. Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot? I want you all to grasp the gravity of this statement, and just how stupid it was. We called for vigi's on hiro, yes. We wanted to resolve that issue, as stated previously if vigi's stack they don't waste their hits so we could ensure hiro died. Even if BC thought Node was mafia at that time there is no reasonable way for him to ensure that both hits are resolved properly and both end up dead. On top of which from what I can tell BC was working with what he had. At that time we needed hiro to die to clear up suspects, and as you even stated earlier, at that point we had no real information to work with, so even if BC was suspicious of Node, why would he call for a vigi hit on him unless he was certain? Wasting a vigilante hit is retarded, especially if you aren't sure or it isn't necessary. In the case of Hiro, if he had not claimed a vig hit would indeed be necessary because it saves the town from wasting the next days lynch. In the case of node, I would imagine BC had suspicions of him, as even I did at some points in the thread and when given the option of Mad Hatter Hiro why would we waste his suicide? Might as well hit a scummy suspect, so BC capitalized and had him hit Node, which is totally reasonable. To counter your argument of BC sacrificing Node because, well why the fuck not? Look at reasoning. If BC played along had hiro bomb someone then just role blocked him, we would be using this fucking lynch to kill hiro right now, and would still be in a world of shit. From what I know, I am pretty sure his bomb was on a townie last night as well, so a role block and a lynch would actually put us in a 6-5 scenario for tomorrow, meaning a guaranteed game over for town barring absolute perfection. So regardless of your KP math, and your wonderful little MSPaint picture, your reasoning is just flat out fucking wrong. Your explanation of BC being godfather and pushing node is wrong. Your trap while ignoring any sort of actual behavior analysis is stupid, and your belief that there is no way to get analysis from town lynches is just flat out wrong. So tell me are you going to shape up or shut up? I really don't give a shit which one at this point, but constantly deflecting your redundant and meaningless words, arguments, and opinions is growing tiresome. And as a shout out to the remaining townies, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Do something, and we will win this. If this lynch happens the way I hope it will, I can almost assure victory for us. Now shut up.
Sorry, I'm getting mixed messages from you. Did you want me to post more or did you want me to shut up?
That post doesn't answer anything about what I said about BC, just about bussing Node. Good to see you defending him like he's defending you, though, that makes me feel just a little more secure. Thanks.
And I shouldn't need to do an analysis on you to show that you are mafia if people are actually reading the thread.
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Because I don't buy the 'apathetic vet' bit for a second. You absolutely REFUSED to play with the rest of us until today...when your life was endangered.
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On June 23 2011 09:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL, you say 'Prove I'm Scum With Analysis'.
But you have nothing to analyze except pushing a townie lynch and defending yourself. Trust me, I looked.
Now you have a couple analyses, but those were done under the gun and could be viewed as bussing your teammates since you were actually in danger at the time.
Stop telling people PISWA...I think it's PISWAter. Anything can be analyzed. Look at youngminii, he did barely anything. Look at fudgemunkey, he did barely anything. Yet I mounted convincing cases against them. Evidence is always there, its just a matter of if you can see it or not. I have played my fair share of mafia and know how to do an analysis. If you think I am honestly just pushing my team mates in front of a train then by all means accept the free kills and get to me later. You are basically admitting right now that you can't find anything I wrote that is really scummy, nothing that stands out, yet for some reason still want to believe I am scum.
I don't find your cases convincing at all, actually. A 'long' analysis is not the same as a 'convincing' analysis.
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On June 23 2011 09:54 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 09:35 GGQ wrote:
So good of you to start playing as soon as your life is on the line, RoL.
For reference, *RoL and BC are both scum*
For everyone complaining that this would be imbalanced, hosts aren't always going to follow the same rule of splitting the two 'best' players onto opposite teams, or towns will just start metagaming to find scum. There were a lot of good players in this game, it was balanced even if those two are scum. Plus this fits everybody's belief that the three remaining mafia are most likely newbie lurkers. PLUS having two such skilled players would explain how the mafia managed to turn this game into a miry fog of crap so quickly.
BC has been largely useless right from the start of the game. His zodiac list fit mafia goals perfectly as it discouraged medics from protecting skilled players so he could pick off whoever he felt was a threat. He sets himself up as a town leader throughout day 1, then fails to lead the town in any direction at all. He has made no analysis and pushed no lynches except for vaguely encouraging inactive lynches which he of all people should know is a terrible idea. He happily bussed the most inactive player on his team in a situation where it cost his team nothing. He follows bad lynches and suggests using a vigi shot on 'whoever doesn't get lynched', as if he just doesn't give a shit who is scum and who isn't.
But BC is a problem for another time (or for a vigilante if there's an enterprising young gunman out there somewhere). Right now we need to finally kill fucking RoL, whom BC is working his ass off to save. I can't believe his 'GUYS BELIEVE ME IM BEING SO SINCERE RIGHT NOW' act is convincing so many people to switch their votes. His posts have nothing in them except some frankly uninspiring analysis from someone desperate to dodge the lynch again. He's been caught in how many lies now? He pushed a plan that he admits was bad on night one for the sole purpose of keeping himself alive (wtf, seriously?). He contributed little to nothing all game, he's been caught straight up in a trap by a virtually 100% cleared townie, and now he's claimed vigilante. Good one, RoL! And what happens when your target is still alive tomorrow and you claim roleblocked? What is the town supposed to do then?
It's not that hard, guys. Lynch RoL, shoot BC. TY. I literally answered all of your BC bullshit in a previous post. On June 23 2011 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Mataza, there is a part of me that really really wants to hope you are red, just to explain your shitty reasoning, and your flat out wrong statements. Just because we lynch a townie does NOT mean that we get no information from the day. If you say that one more time I will murder you with a keyboard. Do you see both of my analysis? They both use previous days posting, and by flat out ignoring day 2 as having information you look like a jackass. Every time someone dies you gain information from it, its just how much information. The fact you wish to ignore ALL behavior analysis and focus solely on your plan is fucking retarded. I begged, I pleaded, I did everything I could on skype to show you I was town and at the end of the day all you could say was "But the trap!" Do you see the problem here? I am outputting analysis and trying to shut down scum, and because of how hard headed you had to act I was forced to fucking role claim in order to try to save my ass. I fucking HATE role claiming, but you need to realize what you are about to lose if you kill me. I knew it would look scummy, but I also knew it was information you needed to know preferably before its 9:50pm. Please though, put together an analysis on me, then your case will ACTUALLY have merit. Whenever I set a trap for someone in PM's I make sure there is a reason behind it. They have to look partially scummy to begin with and you have to have some reason to think I am scummy in order to set a trap, so by all means show us an analysis. I don't want to see one more fucking post about your shit trap that is going to lose the town the game if people actually follow you. Second of all about BC killing Node. Are you retarded? Seriously, I want to know. We called for a vigi on hiro to clear up that issue, but then an even better answer came around. Hiro was a mad hatter and could therefore just kill himself, and if he didn't then he was a liar and we lynch him and get a mafia later. Look what you wrote. Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot? I want you all to grasp the gravity of this statement, and just how stupid it was. We called for vigi's on hiro, yes. We wanted to resolve that issue, as stated previously if vigi's stack they don't waste their hits so we could ensure hiro died. Even if BC thought Node was mafia at that time there is no reasonable way for him to ensure that both hits are resolved properly and both end up dead. On top of which from what I can tell BC was working with what he had. At that time we needed hiro to die to clear up suspects, and as you even stated earlier, at that point we had no real information to work with, so even if BC was suspicious of Node, why would he call for a vigi hit on him unless he was certain? Wasting a vigilante hit is retarded, especially if you aren't sure or it isn't necessary. In the case of Hiro, if he had not claimed a vig hit would indeed be necessary because it saves the town from wasting the next days lynch. In the case of node, I would imagine BC had suspicions of him, as even I did at some points in the thread and when given the option of Mad Hatter Hiro why would we waste his suicide? Might as well hit a scummy suspect, so BC capitalized and had him hit Node, which is totally reasonable. To counter your argument of BC sacrificing Node because, well why the fuck not? Look at reasoning. If BC played along had hiro bomb someone then just role blocked him, we would be using this fucking lynch to kill hiro right now, and would still be in a world of shit. From what I know, I am pretty sure his bomb was on a townie last night as well, so a role block and a lynch would actually put us in a 6-5 scenario for tomorrow, meaning a guaranteed game over for town barring absolute perfection. So regardless of your KP math, and your wonderful little MSPaint picture, your reasoning is just flat out fucking wrong. Your explanation of BC being godfather and pushing node is wrong. Your trap while ignoring any sort of actual behavior analysis is stupid, and your belief that there is no way to get analysis from town lynches is just flat out wrong. So tell me are you going to shape up or shut up? I really don't give a shit which one at this point, but constantly deflecting your redundant and meaningless words, arguments, and opinions is growing tiresome. And as a shout out to the remaining townies, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Do something, and we will win this. If this lynch happens the way I hope it will, I can almost assure victory for us. Now shut up. Sorry, I'm getting mixed messages from you. Did you want me to post more or did you want me to shut up? That post doesn't answer anything about what I said about BC, just about bussing Node. Good to see you defending him like he's defending you, though, that makes me feel just a little more secure. Thanks. And I shouldn't need to do an analysis on you to show that you are mafia if people are actually reading the thread.
With this logic why should anyone ever do an analysis? It answers everything about BC, what else would you like to know? Why he stepped on defending me? Well if everyone read this thread, as you undoubtedly did then you would of seen the post where I explain that too.
On June 23 2011 06:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 23 2011 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Balance cannot be used as far as I can see. Anyone got anything else? Time is ticking. Further evidence backing up RoL's case against youngminii and fudgemonkey. Personally I would rather we just move all the votes to fudgemonkey, allow RoL to Vig YM at night (given he is actually a vig), and go from there. That seriously seems like the best course of action, because if YM isn't red, then it's down to BC and RoL. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KANTBEUSEFULCHI?! YM flipping might clear up an issue that I really doubt fudgemunkeys death will. That is my issue here. I really can't say more about it. Oh and Mataza you want to know why BC is defending me? I asked him for help. I saw this railroad coming and you were half ignoring everything I said claiming it was predeath scum wifom. I pleaded my case to BC and asked him if he honestly thought I was scum based off behavior, he didn't and when you showed your little "bread crumb" that was why I knew you were blue, he knew this was stupid. Btw thanks for after I post about how you do stupid shit, you respond by leaking all my mason information in a desperate attempt to prove I lied. Hint: I didn't.
Please, you and your scum buddies keep bringing more and more bullshit in this thread to confuse just enough people to let you vote stack me at the very end.
On that note, kenpachi unless you want to be solely responsible for another town defeat you will get back on the youngminii lynch. Right now as it is tied, I know I am going to get switched onto last minute and die. There is only an hour left in the day.
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On June 23 2011 09:55 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL, you say 'Prove I'm Scum With Analysis'.
But you have nothing to analyze except pushing a townie lynch and defending yourself. Trust me, I looked.
Now you have a couple analyses, but those were done under the gun and could be viewed as bussing your teammates since you were actually in danger at the time.
Stop telling people PISWA...I think it's PISWAter. Anything can be analyzed. Look at youngminii, he did barely anything. Look at fudgemunkey, he did barely anything. Yet I mounted convincing cases against them. Evidence is always there, its just a matter of if you can see it or not. I have played my fair share of mafia and know how to do an analysis. If you think I am honestly just pushing my team mates in front of a train then by all means accept the free kills and get to me later. You are basically admitting right now that you can't find anything I wrote that is really scummy, nothing that stands out, yet for some reason still want to believe I am scum. I don't find your cases convincing at all, actually. A 'long' analysis is not the same as a 'convincing' analysis.
Please, point out my problems. You are by FAR the first person to disagree with them outright. Also funny, first you think I am bussing my team mates, but now my analysis suck? Please stick to an argument.
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On June 23 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I don't buy the 'apathetic vet' bit for a second. You absolutely REFUSED to play with the rest of us until today...when your life was endangered.
that's just wrong. I contributed day 1 for a while, then played like an asshole for a bit. Day 2 I played actively, and now we are on day 3 where I obviously am the most active player. Despite my apathy I have decided to make sure we win this game, and the challenge of making that happen is what is motivating me, hell I almost was just going to let you guys kill me without a fight but then I realized it would be more of a slap to the face if I drag you guys kicking and screaming to victory.
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How very kind of you. [/sarcasm]
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On June 23 2011 09:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:54 GGQ wrote:On June 23 2011 09:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 09:35 GGQ wrote:
So good of you to start playing as soon as your life is on the line, RoL.
For reference, *RoL and BC are both scum*
For everyone complaining that this would be imbalanced, hosts aren't always going to follow the same rule of splitting the two 'best' players onto opposite teams, or towns will just start metagaming to find scum. There were a lot of good players in this game, it was balanced even if those two are scum. Plus this fits everybody's belief that the three remaining mafia are most likely newbie lurkers. PLUS having two such skilled players would explain how the mafia managed to turn this game into a miry fog of crap so quickly.
BC has been largely useless right from the start of the game. His zodiac list fit mafia goals perfectly as it discouraged medics from protecting skilled players so he could pick off whoever he felt was a threat. He sets himself up as a town leader throughout day 1, then fails to lead the town in any direction at all. He has made no analysis and pushed no lynches except for vaguely encouraging inactive lynches which he of all people should know is a terrible idea. He happily bussed the most inactive player on his team in a situation where it cost his team nothing. He follows bad lynches and suggests using a vigi shot on 'whoever doesn't get lynched', as if he just doesn't give a shit who is scum and who isn't.
But BC is a problem for another time (or for a vigilante if there's an enterprising young gunman out there somewhere). Right now we need to finally kill fucking RoL, whom BC is working his ass off to save. I can't believe his 'GUYS BELIEVE ME IM BEING SO SINCERE RIGHT NOW' act is convincing so many people to switch their votes. His posts have nothing in them except some frankly uninspiring analysis from someone desperate to dodge the lynch again. He's been caught in how many lies now? He pushed a plan that he admits was bad on night one for the sole purpose of keeping himself alive (wtf, seriously?). He contributed little to nothing all game, he's been caught straight up in a trap by a virtually 100% cleared townie, and now he's claimed vigilante. Good one, RoL! And what happens when your target is still alive tomorrow and you claim roleblocked? What is the town supposed to do then?
It's not that hard, guys. Lynch RoL, shoot BC. TY. I literally answered all of your BC bullshit in a previous post. On June 23 2011 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Mataza, there is a part of me that really really wants to hope you are red, just to explain your shitty reasoning, and your flat out wrong statements. Just because we lynch a townie does NOT mean that we get no information from the day. If you say that one more time I will murder you with a keyboard. Do you see both of my analysis? They both use previous days posting, and by flat out ignoring day 2 as having information you look like a jackass. Every time someone dies you gain information from it, its just how much information. The fact you wish to ignore ALL behavior analysis and focus solely on your plan is fucking retarded. I begged, I pleaded, I did everything I could on skype to show you I was town and at the end of the day all you could say was "But the trap!" Do you see the problem here? I am outputting analysis and trying to shut down scum, and because of how hard headed you had to act I was forced to fucking role claim in order to try to save my ass. I fucking HATE role claiming, but you need to realize what you are about to lose if you kill me. I knew it would look scummy, but I also knew it was information you needed to know preferably before its 9:50pm. Please though, put together an analysis on me, then your case will ACTUALLY have merit. Whenever I set a trap for someone in PM's I make sure there is a reason behind it. They have to look partially scummy to begin with and you have to have some reason to think I am scummy in order to set a trap, so by all means show us an analysis. I don't want to see one more fucking post about your shit trap that is going to lose the town the game if people actually follow you. Second of all about BC killing Node. Are you retarded? Seriously, I want to know. We called for a vigi on hiro to clear up that issue, but then an even better answer came around. Hiro was a mad hatter and could therefore just kill himself, and if he didn't then he was a liar and we lynch him and get a mafia later. Look what you wrote. Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot? I want you all to grasp the gravity of this statement, and just how stupid it was. We called for vigi's on hiro, yes. We wanted to resolve that issue, as stated previously if vigi's stack they don't waste their hits so we could ensure hiro died. Even if BC thought Node was mafia at that time there is no reasonable way for him to ensure that both hits are resolved properly and both end up dead. On top of which from what I can tell BC was working with what he had. At that time we needed hiro to die to clear up suspects, and as you even stated earlier, at that point we had no real information to work with, so even if BC was suspicious of Node, why would he call for a vigi hit on him unless he was certain? Wasting a vigilante hit is retarded, especially if you aren't sure or it isn't necessary. In the case of Hiro, if he had not claimed a vig hit would indeed be necessary because it saves the town from wasting the next days lynch. In the case of node, I would imagine BC had suspicions of him, as even I did at some points in the thread and when given the option of Mad Hatter Hiro why would we waste his suicide? Might as well hit a scummy suspect, so BC capitalized and had him hit Node, which is totally reasonable. To counter your argument of BC sacrificing Node because, well why the fuck not? Look at reasoning. If BC played along had hiro bomb someone then just role blocked him, we would be using this fucking lynch to kill hiro right now, and would still be in a world of shit. From what I know, I am pretty sure his bomb was on a townie last night as well, so a role block and a lynch would actually put us in a 6-5 scenario for tomorrow, meaning a guaranteed game over for town barring absolute perfection. So regardless of your KP math, and your wonderful little MSPaint picture, your reasoning is just flat out fucking wrong. Your explanation of BC being godfather and pushing node is wrong. Your trap while ignoring any sort of actual behavior analysis is stupid, and your belief that there is no way to get analysis from town lynches is just flat out wrong. So tell me are you going to shape up or shut up? I really don't give a shit which one at this point, but constantly deflecting your redundant and meaningless words, arguments, and opinions is growing tiresome. And as a shout out to the remaining townies, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Do something, and we will win this. If this lynch happens the way I hope it will, I can almost assure victory for us. Now shut up. Sorry, I'm getting mixed messages from you. Did you want me to post more or did you want me to shut up? That post doesn't answer anything about what I said about BC, just about bussing Node. Good to see you defending him like he's defending you, though, that makes me feel just a little more secure. Thanks. And I shouldn't need to do an analysis on you to show that you are mafia if people are actually reading the thread. With this logic why should anyone ever do an analysis? It answers everything about BC, what else would you like to know? Why he stepped on defending me? Well if everyone read this thread, as you undoubtedly did then you would of seen the post where I explain that too. Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 06:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 23 2011 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Balance cannot be used as far as I can see. Anyone got anything else? Time is ticking. Further evidence backing up RoL's case against youngminii and fudgemonkey. Personally I would rather we just move all the votes to fudgemonkey, allow RoL to Vig YM at night (given he is actually a vig), and go from there. That seriously seems like the best course of action, because if YM isn't red, then it's down to BC and RoL. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KANTBEUSEFULCHI?! YM flipping might clear up an issue that I really doubt fudgemunkeys death will. That is my issue here. I really can't say more about it. Oh and Mataza you want to know why BC is defending me? I asked him for help. I saw this railroad coming and you were half ignoring everything I said claiming it was predeath scum wifom. I pleaded my case to BC and asked him if he honestly thought I was scum based off behavior, he didn't and when you showed your little "bread crumb" that was why I knew you were blue, he knew this was stupid. Btw thanks for after I post about how you do stupid shit, you respond by leaking all my mason information in a desperate attempt to prove I lied. Hint: I didn't. Please, you and your scum buddies keep bringing more and more bullshit in this thread to confuse just enough people to let you vote stack me at the very end. On that note, kenpachi unless you want to be solely responsible for another town defeat you will get back on the youngminii lynch. Right now as it is tied, I know I am going to get switched onto last minute and die. There is only an hour left in the day.
Stop talking about BC, it doesn't matter right now, theres only an hour left to the lynch. I'll get to him in the night phase.
Want an analysis of your posts? 50% of them are oneliners with nothing in them. But hey, that makes you look better when you can discredit other people for having fewer posts. Way to spam. How about an analysis of you refusing to work with the town? Or an analysis of you claiming hatter and then claiming a red dt check on Kenpachi and then bitching the whole town out when we don't lynch him on your worthless word (way to back that one up with analysis btw, thanks for that!). But I guess that was all just another ploy to help you stay alive longer because you are just so fucking valuable amirite?
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On June 23 2011 10:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:55 GGQ wrote:On June 23 2011 09:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL, you say 'Prove I'm Scum With Analysis'.
But you have nothing to analyze except pushing a townie lynch and defending yourself. Trust me, I looked.
Now you have a couple analyses, but those were done under the gun and could be viewed as bussing your teammates since you were actually in danger at the time.
Stop telling people PISWA...I think it's PISWAter. Anything can be analyzed. Look at youngminii, he did barely anything. Look at fudgemunkey, he did barely anything. Yet I mounted convincing cases against them. Evidence is always there, its just a matter of if you can see it or not. I have played my fair share of mafia and know how to do an analysis. If you think I am honestly just pushing my team mates in front of a train then by all means accept the free kills and get to me later. You are basically admitting right now that you can't find anything I wrote that is really scummy, nothing that stands out, yet for some reason still want to believe I am scum. I don't find your cases convincing at all, actually. A 'long' analysis is not the same as a 'convincing' analysis. Please, point out my problems. You are by FAR the first person to disagree with them outright. Also funny, first you think I am bussing my team mates, but now my analysis suck? Please stick to an argument.
I never accused you of bussing your teammates, keep your player names straight.
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Oh...I might as well say it....I'm dying tonight.
I've had a bomb on BC since Night one....
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Wow. The hits just keep coming.
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On June 23 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 09:54 GGQ wrote:On June 23 2011 09:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 09:35 GGQ wrote:
So good of you to start playing as soon as your life is on the line, RoL.
For reference, *RoL and BC are both scum*
For everyone complaining that this would be imbalanced, hosts aren't always going to follow the same rule of splitting the two 'best' players onto opposite teams, or towns will just start metagaming to find scum. There were a lot of good players in this game, it was balanced even if those two are scum. Plus this fits everybody's belief that the three remaining mafia are most likely newbie lurkers. PLUS having two such skilled players would explain how the mafia managed to turn this game into a miry fog of crap so quickly.
BC has been largely useless right from the start of the game. His zodiac list fit mafia goals perfectly as it discouraged medics from protecting skilled players so he could pick off whoever he felt was a threat. He sets himself up as a town leader throughout day 1, then fails to lead the town in any direction at all. He has made no analysis and pushed no lynches except for vaguely encouraging inactive lynches which he of all people should know is a terrible idea. He happily bussed the most inactive player on his team in a situation where it cost his team nothing. He follows bad lynches and suggests using a vigi shot on 'whoever doesn't get lynched', as if he just doesn't give a shit who is scum and who isn't.
But BC is a problem for another time (or for a vigilante if there's an enterprising young gunman out there somewhere). Right now we need to finally kill fucking RoL, whom BC is working his ass off to save. I can't believe his 'GUYS BELIEVE ME IM BEING SO SINCERE RIGHT NOW' act is convincing so many people to switch their votes. His posts have nothing in them except some frankly uninspiring analysis from someone desperate to dodge the lynch again. He's been caught in how many lies now? He pushed a plan that he admits was bad on night one for the sole purpose of keeping himself alive (wtf, seriously?). He contributed little to nothing all game, he's been caught straight up in a trap by a virtually 100% cleared townie, and now he's claimed vigilante. Good one, RoL! And what happens when your target is still alive tomorrow and you claim roleblocked? What is the town supposed to do then?
It's not that hard, guys. Lynch RoL, shoot BC. TY. I literally answered all of your BC bullshit in a previous post. On June 23 2011 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Mataza, there is a part of me that really really wants to hope you are red, just to explain your shitty reasoning, and your flat out wrong statements. Just because we lynch a townie does NOT mean that we get no information from the day. If you say that one more time I will murder you with a keyboard. Do you see both of my analysis? They both use previous days posting, and by flat out ignoring day 2 as having information you look like a jackass. Every time someone dies you gain information from it, its just how much information. The fact you wish to ignore ALL behavior analysis and focus solely on your plan is fucking retarded. I begged, I pleaded, I did everything I could on skype to show you I was town and at the end of the day all you could say was "But the trap!" Do you see the problem here? I am outputting analysis and trying to shut down scum, and because of how hard headed you had to act I was forced to fucking role claim in order to try to save my ass. I fucking HATE role claiming, but you need to realize what you are about to lose if you kill me. I knew it would look scummy, but I also knew it was information you needed to know preferably before its 9:50pm. Please though, put together an analysis on me, then your case will ACTUALLY have merit. Whenever I set a trap for someone in PM's I make sure there is a reason behind it. They have to look partially scummy to begin with and you have to have some reason to think I am scummy in order to set a trap, so by all means show us an analysis. I don't want to see one more fucking post about your shit trap that is going to lose the town the game if people actually follow you. Second of all about BC killing Node. Are you retarded? Seriously, I want to know. We called for a vigi on hiro to clear up that issue, but then an even better answer came around. Hiro was a mad hatter and could therefore just kill himself, and if he didn't then he was a liar and we lynch him and get a mafia later. Look what you wrote. Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot? I want you all to grasp the gravity of this statement, and just how stupid it was. We called for vigi's on hiro, yes. We wanted to resolve that issue, as stated previously if vigi's stack they don't waste their hits so we could ensure hiro died. Even if BC thought Node was mafia at that time there is no reasonable way for him to ensure that both hits are resolved properly and both end up dead. On top of which from what I can tell BC was working with what he had. At that time we needed hiro to die to clear up suspects, and as you even stated earlier, at that point we had no real information to work with, so even if BC was suspicious of Node, why would he call for a vigi hit on him unless he was certain? Wasting a vigilante hit is retarded, especially if you aren't sure or it isn't necessary. In the case of Hiro, if he had not claimed a vig hit would indeed be necessary because it saves the town from wasting the next days lynch. In the case of node, I would imagine BC had suspicions of him, as even I did at some points in the thread and when given the option of Mad Hatter Hiro why would we waste his suicide? Might as well hit a scummy suspect, so BC capitalized and had him hit Node, which is totally reasonable. To counter your argument of BC sacrificing Node because, well why the fuck not? Look at reasoning. If BC played along had hiro bomb someone then just role blocked him, we would be using this fucking lynch to kill hiro right now, and would still be in a world of shit. From what I know, I am pretty sure his bomb was on a townie last night as well, so a role block and a lynch would actually put us in a 6-5 scenario for tomorrow, meaning a guaranteed game over for town barring absolute perfection. So regardless of your KP math, and your wonderful little MSPaint picture, your reasoning is just flat out fucking wrong. Your explanation of BC being godfather and pushing node is wrong. Your trap while ignoring any sort of actual behavior analysis is stupid, and your belief that there is no way to get analysis from town lynches is just flat out wrong. So tell me are you going to shape up or shut up? I really don't give a shit which one at this point, but constantly deflecting your redundant and meaningless words, arguments, and opinions is growing tiresome. And as a shout out to the remaining townies, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Do something, and we will win this. If this lynch happens the way I hope it will, I can almost assure victory for us. Now shut up. Sorry, I'm getting mixed messages from you. Did you want me to post more or did you want me to shut up? That post doesn't answer anything about what I said about BC, just about bussing Node. Good to see you defending him like he's defending you, though, that makes me feel just a little more secure. Thanks. And I shouldn't need to do an analysis on you to show that you are mafia if people are actually reading the thread. With this logic why should anyone ever do an analysis? It answers everything about BC, what else would you like to know? Why he stepped on defending me? Well if everyone read this thread, as you undoubtedly did then you would of seen the post where I explain that too. On June 23 2011 06:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 06:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 23 2011 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Balance cannot be used as far as I can see. Anyone got anything else? Time is ticking. Further evidence backing up RoL's case against youngminii and fudgemonkey. Personally I would rather we just move all the votes to fudgemonkey, allow RoL to Vig YM at night (given he is actually a vig), and go from there. That seriously seems like the best course of action, because if YM isn't red, then it's down to BC and RoL. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KANTBEUSEFULCHI?! YM flipping might clear up an issue that I really doubt fudgemunkeys death will. That is my issue here. I really can't say more about it. Oh and Mataza you want to know why BC is defending me? I asked him for help. I saw this railroad coming and you were half ignoring everything I said claiming it was predeath scum wifom. I pleaded my case to BC and asked him if he honestly thought I was scum based off behavior, he didn't and when you showed your little "bread crumb" that was why I knew you were blue, he knew this was stupid. Btw thanks for after I post about how you do stupid shit, you respond by leaking all my mason information in a desperate attempt to prove I lied. Hint: I didn't. Please, you and your scum buddies keep bringing more and more bullshit in this thread to confuse just enough people to let you vote stack me at the very end. On that note, kenpachi unless you want to be solely responsible for another town defeat you will get back on the youngminii lynch. Right now as it is tied, I know I am going to get switched onto last minute and die. There is only an hour left in the day. Stop talking about BC, it doesn't matter right now, theres only an hour left to the lynch. I'll get to him in the night phase. Want an analysis of your posts? 50% of them are oneliners with nothing in them. But hey, that makes you look better when you can discredit other people for having fewer posts. Way to spam. How about an analysis of you refusing to work with the town? Or an analysis of you claiming hatter and then claiming a red dt check on Kenpachi and then bitching the whole town out when we don't lynch him on your worthless word (way to back that one up with analysis btw, thanks for that!). But I guess that was all just another ploy to help you stay alive longer because you are just so fucking valuable amirite?
I got to where you say I spam, then I just laughed. This is pathetic. I don't spam.
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On June 23 2011 10:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Oh...I might as well say it....I'm dying tonight.
I've had a bomb on BC since Night one....
Hmmm? Do you mean mafia's going to shoot you? Or you're going to suicide into someone? You're keeping the bomb on BC, or are you telling us because you're moving it?
Also, what made you want to claim, and aren't you afraid of RB?
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I put some of my thoughts on RoL's analysis of YM in red below. Didn't get very far because it's so awful.
On June 22 2011 06:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Alright well, lets start off with a basic explanation of mafia thread behavior. First off on day one, they will either start or support a bad lynch which is pretty easy and lacks suspicion just because everyone knows day 1 sucks. After that the mafia generally start and support bad lynches, but generally they won't comment on the lynch, or will express their reservations about the target. Most importantly though, when a town is fucking up, just let them run their war path and don't do shit. Youngminii is guilty of all of the above. Day 1 he started the wagon on ILJ with shitty reasoning and later claimed it was to apply pressure, and that he didn't think ILJ was scummy, which is complete bullshit. Read his relentless assault against ILJ, a helpless townie who got hit by a train. He goes PBP then when ILJ starts trying to counter it he continues to bash him relentlessly. ILJ not being skilled enough to defend himself gets freighted. It's not entirely ILJ's fault though, day 1 is hard to defend yourself, especially for newer players. This is a complete twisting of what actually happened. YM didn't start any wagon at all. He found a sketchy post by ILJ (and that random lurker list WAS sketchy, it caught my eye too) then compared his play this game to his play in other games and found it was more similar to his scum play than his town play. He NEVER pushed the lynch on ILJ, he just pestered ILJ to defend himself which ILJ never did adequately. In fact, YM actively encouraged other people NOT to bandwagon in his initial analysis. He also NEVER said that it was to apply pressure he just said that part of the purpose of a lynch in general is to apply pressure and judge reactions. He also never said that he didn't think ILJ was scummy, he said that ILJ had a pretty low chance of being mafia. He never EVER claimed that he was 'sure' or 'very convinced' that ILJ was mafia, just that he thought ILJ was the most likely to be mafia, even if the chances were low.
I'd go on, but this should be enough already to demonstrate that your analysis is full of twisting words to make things appear how you want them to appear. You are scum. Please lynch this guy, town.Day 2 he half ass pushes me, and as soon as I post back he claims its just to pressure me to start posting. Smart by him, since it took him off my radar temporarily, and because arguing with me would of been stupid to do. At that point the wagons on syllogism and hiro are already building, and youngminii goes AFK and lets us fuck up on our own. The thread inactivity had me feeling weird, but unluckily for me most of my scum suspects were on hiro, so I pushed through with the syllogism lynch thinking that was enough. But look at this from a mafia perspective. None of your members are under fire and the town is on its way to a bad lynch and utter confusion the next day? what are you to do as scum? Sit back and let them fuck themselves. Which is exactly what he did. Maybe he was busy with dreamhack LRing, but honestly he is still on TL.Net and you are telling me you were WAY too busy to even look at the mafia thread? Even between games? Bullshit. Day 3, he knows my lynch is a crapshoot and acts coy at first, then jumps on my bandwagon. But seriously, don't take my overview of this entire scenario for fact, I am going to go a step further and give you an analysis of youngminii, even if you bastards are going to kill me anyway. Day 1Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 14:33 youngminii wrote:aidnai I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting junk (as awesome as it may be) into this thread. This is not a public discussion thread for you to live report Ver's games. Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. My first suspect for this game will be ilovejonn. He has 7 posts since game start, all of which are blanket posts that have no real content. Here are several of his posts: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2011 11:54 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 11:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
anyone up for a little night time scum hunting... I don't know... I think that requires a few (and by a few I mean a whole lot) more posts. Fluff On June 14 2011 12:15 ilovejonn wrote:
@Varpulis
I think I'll have to disagree with point number 2. I'd suggest waiting it out so that most people have posted and use their checks on who they think would be scum based on the posts made during night 0. I mean the whole point of this game IS to find scum, unless of course you find the posting behaviour of a "strong player" a bit suspicious, then yea go ahead and use your check on them. If not I heed people to wait until near the end of the night cycle to submit your actions. (unless of course you won't be there on time) Note the uncertainty in this post: "I think", "I'd suggest", "unless of course", "If not", "unless of course (again)". This is quite scummy behaviour, to me it looks like he's just trying to reassure everyone that you don't HAVE to follow his rules if you don't want to because he doesn't want to seem suspicious in any way whatsoever. Which a townie wouldn't do. Hell, not even a blue would do that. On June 14 2011 12:56 ilovejonn wrote:
no This is in response to Sandroba's plan. While this is a lot more forward and not as uncertain as the previous post, he's still not contributing any content with this. If you look at this post as if ilovejonn was town, why would he bother making it? If you look at his mafia play (see below) this post kind of stands out pretty clearly. On June 14 2011 13:37 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Zodiac list time.
Rebirthoflegend
BloodyC0bbler
Node
Mr.Wiggles
Kitaman
Opz
Youngminii
Scamp
I'd also like to suggest that people on this list, if you're on towns side of course, to start posting, because you know, getting killed Night 0 sucks. Again with the "I'd also like to suggest". He also doesn't actually post anything, he just quoted the almighty Zodiac list and said "guys you should post" which is the entire point of the list in the first place. On June 14 2011 13:59 ilovejonn wrote:
I think we need to move on. The plan is bad, no one should do what sandroba suggested, now we can all stop posting about it. "I think". Obvously the plan is bad, everyone is moving on, you want everyone to stop posting about it yet you're posting about it. There's nothing here, the plan's been heralded as terrible by most of the players. On June 15 2011 11:12 ilovejonn wrote:
People who did not post N0:
10. sinani206
17. grassgiraffe
23. LandenC
24. Jacinto
Putting 26. Lazorbear in as well for 1 very short post. What's the incentive for a townie posting this? Weeding out inactives. Has there been talk of an inactive lynch? No. Then why would you post this? To me this looks like ilovejonn is trying to quietly push for an (easy) inactive lynch by posting all the inactives. Notice that he doesn't just outright say "hey these guys are inactive, let's lynch one if he continues to lurk", he doesn't even accuse them of lurking. He literally only puts the list up and lets us make of it as we want. Which can only be one thing, an inactive lynch. This is so pure scum play. Content that's not real content, an agenda that's not explicitly stated and this goes well with his contentless posts that he made Night 0. He avoids the list by having posted pointless dribble. Now you might say "but youngminii, maybe he's just a bad town, you're being too harsh on him". Thankfully I went and looked at his game histories. I have two that I will share with you, one where he's a townie and one where he's scum. I'll only limit showing you the very early game posting habits of ilovejonn. + Show Spoiler [ilovejonn's town play] +Okay, for his town play I'll be referring to Mafia XXVIII. What I want you to see is how his posts are either (or a mixture of) helpful, loaded with content, fearless and very accusing. Here's a few of his first posts: On April 11 2011 00:11 ilovejonn wrote:
If I appear to be inactive, that's because I am really sick atm. I've read 10+ pages and right now GMarshal and Protactinium are top of my list for mayor. However as there is no voting thread yet for whatever reason :S, I'm going to stay in bed and rest until the thread is up and my voting is required. I also like Protact's posts a lot more than GM. Yes, GM is easy to read, but I agree with Protact that he isn't superbly great at analysis. Protact's each and every post was filled with so much content, meeting quality over quantity in my eyes, and gets to the point without beating around the bush. As a town leader (yes, I know his win-condition is not town) and an analyst, I would much more likely be in favor of Protact.
I believe even by having him alive in the early game while he still feels like siding with town, he can create a much ideal environment for the town. At least his posts motivate me to play and post better.
Also, sure if you think me being sick is an excuse, but I just wanted to get this out there in the case I really cannot post due to illness. I'm already trying my best to keep up with this thread by at least posting Day 1. On April 12 2011 04:02 ilovejonn wrote:
##Vote ilovejonn
Placeholder until I get back from work and read everything tonight. He's not even afraid to vote himself as a placeholder. That's how fearless he is as a townie, he doesn't give a second thought to "oh what if people think I'm abstaining my vote until later so I can voteswitch more easily". No, he just does it, because he has no reason to be scared. You are only scared if you are guilty. On April 12 2011 12:14 ilovejonn wrote:
If my counting is correct, Dr. H is leading the mayor position with 13 votes and Pardoner landing onto GM with 12 votes. (By the time I am typing this up) There are people who have yet to vote, but with this many new players in the game I'm expecting 1 or 2 modkills.
Somehow because GM attracts new players to vote for him it is very unusual and scummy. What I find more scummy is the fact that there are a ton of switch votes towards Dr. H that is making him lead in votes. Like Kavdragon said, Dr. H has said that he would not run for mayor, BUT because he doesn't trust anyone else as mayor other than himself (because that would avoid mafia influence) he ran for mayor. His whole mayor platform is just, "I'm willing to listen to town discussion but if I decide that the town decision doesn't sound right to me, I will lynch whoever I feel is scum. (Even when the majority of the town says the lynch target is not scum) Also, don't blame me if I lynched town because everyone makes mistakes." Yet, he is getting votes purely because of people having a town read on him. I want a townie as Mayor too, but definitely not Dr.H.
Having said all this, I'm not saying that Dr. H is scum, I just do not feel comfortable with him being Mayor, especially with all the vote switches onto him. I'm inclined to believe there's at least 1 scum on the list of people that voted for him.
These are a few people who decided to switch to him (not complete list of who voted for Dr. H)
13.kevconsim - GM > DocH
16.tnkted - tnkted > DocH > GM (changed vote while I was typing this)
18.urashimakt - Prot > DocH
27.DoctorHelvetica - GM > DocH (lol)
28.darmousseh - GM > DocH
33.redFF - Prot > DocH
This list serves no purpose other than for me to keep track of who voted for what, but I decided to share it for those of you who do not do these types of record-keeping. My unwillingness to vote for Dr. H is based on the fact that there are many vote switches for him, as well as the general feelings I get from reading his posts.
What I wanted was for GM to be Mayor and Protactinium as Pardoner. I'm not saying the Pardoner is not an important role. I have read about why having scum in this role is not beneficial as it gives reds a free no lynch cycle, but I am still willing to take the risk and offer Prot the position as I feel his abilities and skill can be very beneficial to town, even if he decides to turn against us during the late game.
Think about it this way, we have him in the position, he uses his KP and DT checks depending on our decision or we lynch him. Except for his last one to complete his win condition of course. We don't have him in a position and he is forced to use his own judgement and KP that will most likely hit 1 or 2 townies (due to blacks are better off playing townie-like than-scum like).
In conclusion, I will place my vote on Protactinium in hopes that he can get the Pardoner position. But the chances are probably very slim because there's less than an hour til Day ends. Just look at how much content this post has! This is great, this is analysis, this is deciding what to do and making a detailed post about what he feels and what he's going to do. All of those quotes were back to back, there was no mindless dribble between them, he didn't spam up the thread with one word posts, he made great posts that were of use to town. This is wildly different to how he's been playing this game. For his scum play I'll be referring to Mafia XXIX. Again, only the earlier posts (after the day post) as this is what pertains to the current context. On May 04 2011 12:33 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +All you scum players looking for tips can bug them both nonstep for help at your leisure. :D not perfect On May 04 2011 12:36 ilovejonn wrote:
blue font scared me there.... damn you. On May 04 2011 12:59 ilovejonn wrote:
Apparently redtooth thinks Irish slipped cause he thought he knows 3-4 ppl playing in this game as ppl on his scum team. Just a misunderstood post imo. On May 04 2011 13:13 ilovejonn wrote:
Yes guys.. don't edit. ever. Ahh, there's the ilovejonn we all recognise, all these posts are back to back, starting with his first post after the day post. Absolutely nothing, no content, ONE post faking content. I see a connection. On May 05 2011 04:26 ilovejonn wrote:
Just finished reading the thread. I read really slow as I'm often thinking about other stuff when I read.
First I'll give my opinion on the Irish13 discussion even though it has dropped. I like what redtooth did do get responses out of people but as he said himself, it became a null tell when almost everyone defended Irish. The post redtooth used to invoke responses from was a post that could have been misinterpreted by people and from seeing people defend Irish, it leads me to believe Irish isn't scum. I've only played 4-5 games on TL mafia, but I'd like to ask what does RSV/RQV stand for?
Secondly, my gut feelings tell me that redtooth and chaoser are not scum based on their posts. They are actually quality posts, and even if they are scum, at least what they are posting benefits town for now. It is better to heed the advices in their posts than to bash them for it (for now). I don't want another Kavdragon incident in here again where we lynch someone because they are "too pro-town". Pretty silly.
Last but not least, FOS Kurumi and Airblade. Kurumi for his posting behaviour. Why are you posting like that? Maybe English isn't your first language but what about the post with numbers? Are you trying to breadcrumb something? I'm just not understanding your posts. Airblade for saying "At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore." That is extremely anti-town. Of course you would want to lynch someone who isn't scum, because then you'd waste a day AND lynched a townie, am I right? Wishy washy. No REAL fos, just a few uncertain questions asked. Also he posts this after other people have already basically raised the same issues. I'm aware ilovejonn hasn't made any posts like this in the current game but I point this out because it is textbook scum play and he's displaying the usual uncertainty and "oh no I'm guilty how do I cover it up as best I can?". On May 05 2011 04:34 ilovejonn wrote:
I don't think you should kid about lynches. Our votes are very valuable and it's basically our only way of killing scum. "I don't think", note how he doesn't say this in his town play. On May 05 2011 07:03 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 06:36 orgolove wrote:
So we're just letting people divert our attention from the actual scum posts. Redtooth has shown clear signs of scummy behavior, both in his lies, his attempts to turn this discussion into useless pages about "experience," his lies, his inane essay posts without any real substance, his lies, his lies, and his lies.
And we're just letting the suspicion go just like that? I think this is true. I don't know why he would ask questions such as what was your mafia experience. Sure it generates discussion but is any of that really relevant to scum hunting? Unless this is another one of his plans to draw out responses.. Speaks for itself, not real content, similar to posts in current game. I'm going to end this here. Even though there are more posts I can quote, they're mostly of the same dribble and will only repeat what I've been trying to point out. You can check it out yourself. Verdict? I'm voting for ilovejonn, he's the best lynch candidate (and the first of the game I guess) I can see. I am well aware I'm under scrutiny because of that Zodiac list crap and that if I am wrong about this, I might just be creating an easy bandwagon for mafia to jump on. That said, if you are a townie make sure you don't just jump on the bandwagon until you've read the analysis and read his responses. I eagerly await your response, ilovejonn. This is where he starts his band wagon on ILJ. As pointed out later, a lot of this is stretched, and to be honest this is a fine thing to do just to get ILJ to start posting. But he goes further then that. Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 15:04 youngminii wrote:On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote:hokay there buddy. First off, I'm not going to make a rebuttal out of every point you made because clearly with your PbPA you're stretching a lot of points to justify a conclusion you already had in mind beforehand with posts that don't actually add anything. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. Let's read one of those points: Note the uncertainty in this post: "I think", "I'd suggest", "unless of course", "If not", "unless of course (again)". This is quite scummy behaviour, to me it looks like he's just trying to reassure everyone that you don't HAVE to follow his rules if you don't want to because he doesn't want to seem suspicious in any way whatsoever. Which a townie wouldn't do. Hell, not even a blue would do that.
What makes you say a townie wouldn't do that? Wait a minute, I read my post again and what? You take those words out of context and shape them into something that you deem scummy. I lol'd. It also seems to be a recurring theme in your analysis. I'm done here because I don't want to waste time defending myself when I could possibly find scum, but I like the direction you're going for generating discussion since there aren't any posts since Day 1 started, so thanks. Interesting post. I'm not really stretching a lot of points, your posts literally fall into my big box of scum. I am not meta-reading you, I am using meta to support my argument, there's a difference. Also, I'd have to ask, why would you play differently if you won both games, alive and well? That's easy, you're not. You can't just decide to switch off who you are. How did I take those words out of context? The context is you saying those things in this game and in the game you were mafia. A townie doesn't say these things, a townie says what's on his mind without hindrance. You don't want to waste time defending yourself, but you're not finding scum either. You've been decently active and haven't made a single post with content in it. This is a contradiction. Your response has been pretty poor so far, did you even read the part where I showed your scum play and your town play? You kind of just ignored it and said "I might be playing different because I want to", which isn't really a defense. There's no real discussion other than this so unless you're actually going to go find some scum, why don't you spend some time defending yourself? There's nothing else to do so far, why are you avoiding the pressure? There was pages of this bullshit, him going back and forth with ILJ just reiterating his shitty points and twisting ILJ's words. From ILJ's defense posts its pretty clear he was townie, he wasn't responding in a passive aggressive way and the wagon on him built too easily. But seriously, why is youngminii tunneling so hard here? It was off an analysis he later admits was just for pressure and wasn't even good. Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:39 youngminii wrote:
Yeah I kind of think ilj just tried to redirect focus onto the lurkers even though he said he'd scumhunt + he's lurking too. I kinda disagree with the grassgiraffe vote and I completely disagree with the hiro protagonist vote. Half the lynch is meant for you to pressure the guy and then judge his reaction, it's a little late for that.
Switching vote to ilj. So let me get this straight. The goal of you relentlessly attacking ILJ was to just judge his reaction? Then why didn't you focus on other people after he gave more than adequate responses to your shitty analysis? Well hey, maybe we can say the pressure revealed to you he must of been mafia! Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:25 youngminii wrote:On June 17 2011 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
FoS Sandroba
He's either trying to protect someone by shifting votes last minute or making some kind scum-hunting-power-move. I'm more inclined to believe the former. nono it's essentially ilj vs grassgiraffe the likelihood of either of them being mafia is actually quite low, but yeah even if one of them was scum you could just vote for the other to 'hide' your vote, no need to shift your vote to someone completely random ...but then we have this! So you are pretty sure that neither of them are mafia? Cool, then why did you push ILJ so hard? Simple, because right now you are trying to avoid town backlash for tunneling a townie for half the day cycle until a sufficient band wagon had formed. Day 2Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 15:34 youngminii wrote:Everyone, do me a favour. Click that "All" button at the page numbers, type ctrl+F and look up rebirthoflegend. How the fuck is that not scummy. Here are some golden quotes. On June 14 2011 13:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
err, guys. Just to point something out. It's "mason" not "manson" "mansion" or any other aberration of the word.
On a game related note. This is a NORMAL set up, regardless of whatever this silly PM mechanic is. Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk.
Think of it this way, in a normal set up with the ability to PM, would you ever recommend a mass role claim Day 2? No, so why the hell would this be any different? Hint: It's not.
Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up.
My next set of grievances would be that.
1. We can't be sure of your alignment.
2. This plan sucks.
3. I don't know anything of your ability to competently deal with an influx of PM's and sort out the bullshit from the nonbullshit.
4. Plan sucks. NOTE: He came up with the 'plan' to mass mason him. I have actually mason'd him and he's literally done NOTHING about it. We've sent each other 3 PMs basically saying 'sup'. Why the fuck would you make half the town mason you when you're literally not going to do a single thing about it? On June 14 2011 16:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I currently just received another masoning, which brings me to 6. Still waiting on others. Ideally I would like to have minimum of 10 people. FOR WHAT? On June 14 2011 17:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
medics protect me, problem solved. My goal is different then sandroba's because he wanted to form some half assed blue circle. I am going to use it to kill mafia. I don't use it just to scum hunt, but also to town confirm. Process of elimination baby! That's bullshit, it's the exact same reason as sandroba and you managed to word it differently. On June 15 2011 03:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
there is no framing in this game. Stop talking about it. Holy shit.
I know where I am placing my bomb tonight, this is ridiculous. WHY WOULD YOU SOFT CLAIM MAD HATTER? ON THE FIRST NIGHT? Nah this is just scum pretending to leave bread crumbs. On June 15 2011 06:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 15 2011 05:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, I haven't thought about that, if I'm mafia I would probably be auto elected GF on the off chance the plan might go through, so it's more risky than I originally thought for you guys to trust it. Then again I know I'm not mafia, so if you think so aswel go ahead and proceed with the plan.
The plan does not exclude analysis, it only speeds up the process of clearing and confirming the subjects of analysis. Let's supose there is a list of suspicious people based on behaviour and voting paterns on a previous inocent lynch. I can organize DTs/Vigs to check supicious players on that list and hit the dubious lurkers more efficiently.
It does not stops or hinders any kind of discussion, and it's not like the opinion of the "circle" will be taken at face value either (because even the "circle" does not know each other). Even if a guy is confirmed does not mean he's right as we can tell from many previous games.
The plan I'm sugesting is merely an optimization tool for the efficiency of our blues. The plan itself is blue efficient because it's player list dependant and it's not "required" to work. If no DTs check me or if I die night 0 due to no medic protect we can move on with our lifes.
You guys can figure out if I'm mafia or not, hopefully. (clue: I'm not) I have a better method of organizing blues that doesn't involve a potentially scum third party and is completely transparent to the town. X,Y,Z,1,2 are all inactive players. I take the player count (30) divide by 5. we get groups of 6. if you are a DT/Vig between 1-6 shoot/check X If you are a DT/Vig between 7-12 shoot/check Y If you are a DT/Vig between 13-18 shoot/check Z If you are a DT/Vig between 19-24 shoot/check 1 If you are a DT/Vig between 25-30 shoot/check 2 Minimal overlap, rapes lurkers, don't need some shitty plan that gets you killed, the best part of it is that anyone can make the list of who to check/vig and it can be carried out. What the fuck nonsense is this. On June 15 2011 07:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 15 2011 07:18 Mataza wrote:
RoL, if I recall correctly your own plan hinges on people trusting you and 1-2 Docs randomly protecting you just in case you get targeted.
You don´t plan to achieve anything, except that you are able to pressure scum to slip.
Your assumption is, that scum buy *themselves* into a blatant trap.
And then you hope scum, after you told everyone what exactly you intend to do, will still slip carelessly.
You being able to scumhunt via PM is a pure assumption. You are convinced it is so, but everyone else has just to hope you are actually that good.
I don´t think your plan is any better, espcially for the part where you tie up half the masoning ability of the whole town. Without any tangible benefit.
You might as well get manipulated by a persuasive scum.
There is no guarantee you won´t except for your promise to be Superman in PM-Land. All I need to say to this is, I am that good. My track record speaks for itself. The only track record necessary in my eyes is this game. It scream out "HAS DONE NOTHING" On June 15 2011 22:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I will be a sober, conscious, contributing member of XLII society in roughly 9 hours. On June 16 2011 17:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days. Seriously? You get half the town to mason you then you make excuses about how you've been inactive? Nonononononono. "but youngminii you have the let him fly! just wait for him to spread his wings and soar gracefully over the shitfest that TL Mafiaa XLII has become!" On June 17 2011 04:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
That's it, Lynch kenpachi. This is ridiculous. You are retarded, and trying to read words off a rock is going to be annoying, so I say we are better off just getting you out of the way right now. This is not flying, this is madness. On June 17 2011 04:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Seriously though, I am not joking. Fuck the other 3 candidates. That was the single worst thing I ever ever read. He is inactive then makes a blanket statement with NO evidence then falls back into inactivity? It's so reckless, and annoying. It needs to go right now.
Lynch kenpachi, honestly maybe I make bold statements but at least I provide reasoning. WHAT REASONING ARE YOU KIDDING ME On June 17 2011 09:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just got my DT check back, Kenpachi is mafia. ?????????????????????? ??????????????????? ?????????????????? You said this in the day. I don't even know why'd you say this, it's just stupid. On June 17 2011 18:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 17 2011 17:22 Node wrote:On June 17 2011 15:54 youngminii wrote:
Sorry I wasn't awake for the lynch, I might have changed my vote to hiro (I agree with Varpulis's post against him) but that doesn't really matter anymore.
So uhh, Kenpachi, you realise that pointing out A FUCKING BLUE at night will result in his death right? If RoL is blue (and the safe money is on he isn't) he's a vet trying to draw a mafia shot by claiming everything under the sun. But the fact that Kenpachi of all people realized that he's playing terribly should underline just how useless RoL has been so far this game. I also fail to understand how Kenpachi is pointing out a blue when he calls RoL the GF. Remember that time I carried you in Merc Mafia? don't hate~~ just hand grenade He just used past experiences to gain cred even though he's done literally jackall for this game. I did this once too (it was Mafia XXX that was analysed by Ver, just in case you're curious). This is a big factor in the reason why I personally believe he's mafia, but I know most of you won't accept this as a point in my argument. On June 17 2011 18:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow.
Just some advice. Why are you playing this game. He makes half of town claim to him, does nothing, pulls this shit?? He's giving excuses for being inactive later. ALERT ALERT THIS IS SCUMMY. On June 18 2011 11:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 18 2011 11:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Isnt scamp one of them Vets? yeah i think he might be linked to RoL if he is linked to anyone at all. Things like this is why you were supposed to be killed last night. damn it. This just looks like he's taunting town to see how far he can get away with it. I'm sure it is too. Him being mafia can also explain his whole "DTs don't check anyone in the Zodiac list (including me)!!!" What do you have to say RoL? Because at this point you look FAR scummier than Kenpachi or even Hiro is. One of the first posts of day 2, you pressure me hard then claim it was a lawljoke to get me to post. This is seriously a condemning post when contrasted with his response to Mataza's accusation of me on D3. Just so no one misses the point, I am going to travel to the future for a moemnt. Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 00:50 youngminii wrote:
stop being silly
lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot
get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell
landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post
obvious lynches So lynching me and opz is a crapshoot huh? You did an analysis of me not even a day ago to "pressure" me, but now there is a seriously good case against me and you respond that its a crapshoot? This is mafia knowing we are heading into a shit direction and trying to be the one voice of reason in this mess, except anyone with any sense of reasoning would lynch me off of mataza's post. So far Mr. youngminii has showcased quite a bit of bipolarity. One minute hes pushing the shit out of ILJ, the next he is saying how much of a shitfest the lynch was. The next day I am scum suspect #1, and the following day when someone else is pressuring me, all of a sudden I am a crapshoot? Bullshit. When I die you are coming with me. Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 04:38 youngminii wrote:On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote:I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes. - syllogism
- Hiro Protagonist
- RebirthOfLeGenD
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. There's no need to explicitly state "these 3 people", it'll become a battle between them anyway. I know I posted a bunch of stuff on RoL but I never actually voted for him because it was just pressure, which seems to have made its point ^^ I'm voting for Hiro because, what can I say, he just seems really scummy to me. He's been accused by two people with separate analyses (which have made perfect sense by the way, I don't know why I didn't pay more attention to them earlier) and lol at his responses He just keeps going around being scum. I COULD give examples, but aidnai and sinani already have. My mind is undecided about Syllogism by the way. This is you hiding behind other peoples analysis on a lynch in which you are letting the town fuck itself up. You know my push on syllogism is going bad places, and you know the hiro lynch is going bad places? What to do as mafia? Post agreeing with someone, get your vote in, go afk and let the town fuck itself. Which is exactly what you did. Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 16:43 youngminii wrote:
The vote on Syllogism was an unfortunate case of tunneling by RoL (or maybe he's mafia OHNOES) and bandwagoning.
If I were DT I would check RoL. If I were Vig I'd hit hiro. That is all. This is a classic scumtell the "Oh what bad luck for us!" bullshit. Thanks for accusing me of tunneling guy who pushed ILJ relentlessly Day 1. Proceeds to go AFK for rest of the night cycle. Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:34 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:11 Mataza wrote:
Bam!
I love it when a plan comes together.
Veteran here, I have taken a hit. I don´t know how exactly the death math turns out but I´m hit regardless.
FoS RoL, since Sandroba told RoL via PM I´m blue.
Coincidently Sandroba mysteriously died tonight. Removing the witnesses too, are we? mm i'm betting my money on another explanation rol and node were going head to head quite a bit i know they could be doing the shift but the simpler explanation is usually the right one, and for now we should take that into consideration I don' recall ever arguing with node, especially since I barely posted except making fun of kenpachi in Day 1, and node was playing from a cell phone. Now the obvious explanation for this post is that you are distancing yourself from a lynch you know is going to be bad, even if the face of a solid and good case against me. Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? this is just funny, trying to not appear scum while asking if BC's PM circle is secure? Well it probably is unless he invites you into it rofl. Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 00:50 youngminii wrote:
stop being silly
lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot
get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell
landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post
obvious lynches hey I completely agree with this post, but only because I know I am town, and I am pretty sure opz is also town. Once again staring in the face of a good argument, youngminii knowing I am not scum decides to try to build town credit by expressing his concerns. Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 01:55 youngminii wrote:
yeah okay
there's quite a decent chance that they're all red
the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people
but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy Wow, wasn't it hard to sway you here? (Read: It wasn't) and I have 2 masons alive at the moment, and saying my lynch was a crapshoot doesn't equate to you worrying about my mason count. BUT GUYS, IF WE FUCK THIS UP YOUNGMINII WONT BE HAPPY? Hint: He knows it's a fuckjob. Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 04:03 youngminii wrote:
You gave us an alternative lynch yesterday. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us.
You've had 3 days to 'dominate' and use your PM network. It seems as if your recurring theme this game is "fuck you I'll dominate this game later".
Anyway if you don't end up scum then mataza will obviously have some explaining to do. Hey mataza, he's already trying to set you up for tomorrow's lynch, he knows this train is going south, and he wants to make sure everyone knows you were in the conductors seat as this train went off a cliff. In 3 posts, mere hours apart his conviction on me as gone from "THIS IS A CRAPSHOOT" to "FUCK ROL, but srsly, if hes town kill Mataza" Conclusion I would like it if you guys would lynch youngminii instead of me, but I figure that isn't going to happen. The case is VERY strong against youngminii. I would also like to stress this next point. When I flip green, do NOT kill Mataza, kill youngminii. So far on Day 3 all youngminii has done was set him up to be the one guy who stood against my lynch. So do what you guys want to do, like I said earlier, I will go silently to my death. If you think this analysis makes enough sense I would encourage you to vote youngminii in my place, then hell have me vigi'd tonight if you want. I really don't care. Anyway, I am heading to the gym for now, I will drop my vote on youngminii and whoever wants to follow suite feel free. But I stress that you must NOT hold Mataza accountable for my lynch, and instead look at youngminii. Youngminii's posting actually makes me even less suspicious of Mataza because he is clearly trying to set mataza up for tomorrows lynch. I imagine I can't have much more to say. Maybe when I get home I will try to do some more analysis, but for now this is all I have. GL ##Vote youngminii
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On June 23 2011 10:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:On June 23 2011 09:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 09:54 GGQ wrote:On June 23 2011 09:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 09:35 GGQ wrote:
So good of you to start playing as soon as your life is on the line, RoL.
For reference, *RoL and BC are both scum*
For everyone complaining that this would be imbalanced, hosts aren't always going to follow the same rule of splitting the two 'best' players onto opposite teams, or towns will just start metagaming to find scum. There were a lot of good players in this game, it was balanced even if those two are scum. Plus this fits everybody's belief that the three remaining mafia are most likely newbie lurkers. PLUS having two such skilled players would explain how the mafia managed to turn this game into a miry fog of crap so quickly.
BC has been largely useless right from the start of the game. His zodiac list fit mafia goals perfectly as it discouraged medics from protecting skilled players so he could pick off whoever he felt was a threat. He sets himself up as a town leader throughout day 1, then fails to lead the town in any direction at all. He has made no analysis and pushed no lynches except for vaguely encouraging inactive lynches which he of all people should know is a terrible idea. He happily bussed the most inactive player on his team in a situation where it cost his team nothing. He follows bad lynches and suggests using a vigi shot on 'whoever doesn't get lynched', as if he just doesn't give a shit who is scum and who isn't.
But BC is a problem for another time (or for a vigilante if there's an enterprising young gunman out there somewhere). Right now we need to finally kill fucking RoL, whom BC is working his ass off to save. I can't believe his 'GUYS BELIEVE ME IM BEING SO SINCERE RIGHT NOW' act is convincing so many people to switch their votes. His posts have nothing in them except some frankly uninspiring analysis from someone desperate to dodge the lynch again. He's been caught in how many lies now? He pushed a plan that he admits was bad on night one for the sole purpose of keeping himself alive (wtf, seriously?). He contributed little to nothing all game, he's been caught straight up in a trap by a virtually 100% cleared townie, and now he's claimed vigilante. Good one, RoL! And what happens when your target is still alive tomorrow and you claim roleblocked? What is the town supposed to do then?
It's not that hard, guys. Lynch RoL, shoot BC. TY. I literally answered all of your BC bullshit in a previous post. On June 23 2011 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Mataza, there is a part of me that really really wants to hope you are red, just to explain your shitty reasoning, and your flat out wrong statements. Just because we lynch a townie does NOT mean that we get no information from the day. If you say that one more time I will murder you with a keyboard. Do you see both of my analysis? They both use previous days posting, and by flat out ignoring day 2 as having information you look like a jackass. Every time someone dies you gain information from it, its just how much information. The fact you wish to ignore ALL behavior analysis and focus solely on your plan is fucking retarded. I begged, I pleaded, I did everything I could on skype to show you I was town and at the end of the day all you could say was "But the trap!" Do you see the problem here? I am outputting analysis and trying to shut down scum, and because of how hard headed you had to act I was forced to fucking role claim in order to try to save my ass. I fucking HATE role claiming, but you need to realize what you are about to lose if you kill me. I knew it would look scummy, but I also knew it was information you needed to know preferably before its 9:50pm. Please though, put together an analysis on me, then your case will ACTUALLY have merit. Whenever I set a trap for someone in PM's I make sure there is a reason behind it. They have to look partially scummy to begin with and you have to have some reason to think I am scummy in order to set a trap, so by all means show us an analysis. I don't want to see one more fucking post about your shit trap that is going to lose the town the game if people actually follow you. Second of all about BC killing Node. Are you retarded? Seriously, I want to know. We called for a vigi on hiro to clear up that issue, but then an even better answer came around. Hiro was a mad hatter and could therefore just kill himself, and if he didn't then he was a liar and we lynch him and get a mafia later. Look what you wrote. Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot? I want you all to grasp the gravity of this statement, and just how stupid it was. We called for vigi's on hiro, yes. We wanted to resolve that issue, as stated previously if vigi's stack they don't waste their hits so we could ensure hiro died. Even if BC thought Node was mafia at that time there is no reasonable way for him to ensure that both hits are resolved properly and both end up dead. On top of which from what I can tell BC was working with what he had. At that time we needed hiro to die to clear up suspects, and as you even stated earlier, at that point we had no real information to work with, so even if BC was suspicious of Node, why would he call for a vigi hit on him unless he was certain? Wasting a vigilante hit is retarded, especially if you aren't sure or it isn't necessary. In the case of Hiro, if he had not claimed a vig hit would indeed be necessary because it saves the town from wasting the next days lynch. In the case of node, I would imagine BC had suspicions of him, as even I did at some points in the thread and when given the option of Mad Hatter Hiro why would we waste his suicide? Might as well hit a scummy suspect, so BC capitalized and had him hit Node, which is totally reasonable. To counter your argument of BC sacrificing Node because, well why the fuck not? Look at reasoning. If BC played along had hiro bomb someone then just role blocked him, we would be using this fucking lynch to kill hiro right now, and would still be in a world of shit. From what I know, I am pretty sure his bomb was on a townie last night as well, so a role block and a lynch would actually put us in a 6-5 scenario for tomorrow, meaning a guaranteed game over for town barring absolute perfection. So regardless of your KP math, and your wonderful little MSPaint picture, your reasoning is just flat out fucking wrong. Your explanation of BC being godfather and pushing node is wrong. Your trap while ignoring any sort of actual behavior analysis is stupid, and your belief that there is no way to get analysis from town lynches is just flat out wrong. So tell me are you going to shape up or shut up? I really don't give a shit which one at this point, but constantly deflecting your redundant and meaningless words, arguments, and opinions is growing tiresome. And as a shout out to the remaining townies, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Do something, and we will win this. If this lynch happens the way I hope it will, I can almost assure victory for us. Now shut up. Sorry, I'm getting mixed messages from you. Did you want me to post more or did you want me to shut up? That post doesn't answer anything about what I said about BC, just about bussing Node. Good to see you defending him like he's defending you, though, that makes me feel just a little more secure. Thanks. And I shouldn't need to do an analysis on you to show that you are mafia if people are actually reading the thread. With this logic why should anyone ever do an analysis? It answers everything about BC, what else would you like to know? Why he stepped on defending me? Well if everyone read this thread, as you undoubtedly did then you would of seen the post where I explain that too. On June 23 2011 06:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 23 2011 06:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 23 2011 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Balance cannot be used as far as I can see. Anyone got anything else? Time is ticking. Further evidence backing up RoL's case against youngminii and fudgemonkey. Personally I would rather we just move all the votes to fudgemonkey, allow RoL to Vig YM at night (given he is actually a vig), and go from there. That seriously seems like the best course of action, because if YM isn't red, then it's down to BC and RoL. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KANTBEUSEFULCHI?! YM flipping might clear up an issue that I really doubt fudgemunkeys death will. That is my issue here. I really can't say more about it. Oh and Mataza you want to know why BC is defending me? I asked him for help. I saw this railroad coming and you were half ignoring everything I said claiming it was predeath scum wifom. I pleaded my case to BC and asked him if he honestly thought I was scum based off behavior, he didn't and when you showed your little "bread crumb" that was why I knew you were blue, he knew this was stupid. Btw thanks for after I post about how you do stupid shit, you respond by leaking all my mason information in a desperate attempt to prove I lied. Hint: I didn't. Please, you and your scum buddies keep bringing more and more bullshit in this thread to confuse just enough people to let you vote stack me at the very end. On that note, kenpachi unless you want to be solely responsible for another town defeat you will get back on the youngminii lynch. Right now as it is tied, I know I am going to get switched onto last minute and die. There is only an hour left in the day. Stop talking about BC, it doesn't matter right now, theres only an hour left to the lynch. I'll get to him in the night phase. Want an analysis of your posts? 50% of them are oneliners with nothing in them. But hey, that makes you look better when you can discredit other people for having fewer posts. Way to spam. How about an analysis of you refusing to work with the town? Or an analysis of you claiming hatter and then claiming a red dt check on Kenpachi and then bitching the whole town out when we don't lynch him on your worthless word (way to back that one up with analysis btw, thanks for that!). But I guess that was all just another ploy to help you stay alive longer because you are just so fucking valuable amirite? I got to where you say I spam, then I just laughed. This is pathetic. I don't spam.
Read over your posts in this game and say that again with a straight face, I dare you.
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