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On June 22 2011 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2011 15:09 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote: It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing. So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment. Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you. Eh? uncharacteristic? Not really. Someone claims "hi guys I caught a red" his entire argument gets debunked. When the game is also at a point where a misslynch royally fucks the town it is not unsurprising to assume mafia is trying something. At this stage in the game with only 1 red down, 5-11, 1 misslynch and a night of hits puts mafia in a position that only town kp can actually prevent the mafia from winning. You're damn right im suspicious. He comes out with a "solid plan" that was designed to catch a red. Rather than have the only real piece of proof needed to seal the deal it is strangely missing. The situation is now Mataza is scum. Believed roba had solidly "leaked" his role, and double stacked roba or shot hiro in hopes of getting RoL lynched. Or Mataza is vet, mafia shot roba and mataza and this entire situation is a total wtf shit.
My piece of evidence that seals the deal is me being fucking alive after being shot. In other games this is regarded as being confirmed vet.
Now either you think the scumteam is a band of clowns that devises plans like this:
1: Use both kills on a low-key townie 2: Let one of the really new players claim Veteran 3: Send this new player to accuse RebirthofLegend, a known forum veteran 4: Have a case with around 90% evidence through logs. Leave out the part that "seals the deal" because that´s how we roll 5: Attack all the other veteran players, too. Who cares? 6: get immediately found out after RoL flips. To which the sensible alternative is this:
1: Use both kills on RebirthofLegend to break medic protection 2: Sheep on inactive townie lynch #3
Tell me, Node was scum right, so tell me would Node approve this? Would he actually say yes, we have someone claiming veteran Day 1, only for him to throw it all away day 3 by attacking RoL with an incomplete case? You, fine sir, must be mad to think that.
On the other, if Sand slipped, by accident, a blueclaim to RoL and then Sand as well as the blueclaim get hit at night, but the blueclaim is veteran and tells the tale of it, that is total wtf shit?
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relax mataza no need to go mouthing off at everyone
rol is still slated to die, it's only bc defending him
and bc, there's been plenty of analysis done on rol
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On June 22 2011 16:23 youngminii wrote: relax mataza no need to go mouthing off at everyone
rol is still slated to die, it's only bc defending him
and bc, there's been plenty of analysis done on rol
You mean like your analysis on him day 2? which was very familiar to your day 1 tunnel of ILJ that led to a townie?
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On June 22 2011 16:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 16:23 youngminii wrote: relax mataza no need to go mouthing off at everyone
rol is still slated to die, it's only bc defending him
and bc, there's been plenty of analysis done on rol You mean like your analysis on him day 2? which was very familiar to your day 1 tunnel of ILJ that led to a townie? kenpachi's too i'm just saying, if you want to look for them they're there i'm sure you could weed out all the retarded parts of them
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BC wrote on page 49: In that same token, you are annoyed I wanted to see hiro and syllogen flip. But Hiro was up for two lynches. Not 1, 2. He had been attacked by a ton of people, and flipped town. Syllogen appeared scummy but flipped town. Seeing the information provided when so much analysis and time had gone into that situation had to be given. Not only did hiro clear that, a red died, and we are left in a much better position than we were day 2.
This is wrong on sooo many levels. RoL is right now up for his second lynch, too. It is also the first case to involve a blue and it would also be the first lynch to off a red. Up to now only GREENS have been up to be lynched.
I may be missing something, but our information from day 1 and day 2 analysis are worth nothing. You can´t tell me you hit Node through that knowledge. I believe you are good, but I don´t believe you are a magician.
How is our position any better than day 2? Why Node´s death doesn´t matter to scum:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4L4d9.jpg) If I was scum and I could ensure that no scum will be lynched for the rest of the game, I would totally do it. And that is why our situation is actually worse then day 2. Much worse.
We magically caught a scum oh wondrous world. No analysis has been done on him. Sinani commited a vote to him. How the fuck did you "catch" Node?
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Alright, time for round two. Sorry kids, I have been a bit busy in PM world + telephone, but I have taken some time to actually bring you the next mafia on the list of rape, as well as my defense.
The next scum is Fudgemunkey.
To preface, a lot of this is going to be off the assumption that youngminii is mafia, which I think is a safe assumption judging by my analysis. On top of that I need to delve a bit farther into the youngminii situation. One of the biggest things I have tried to make him do is take a stance on someone who isn't a fucking lurker, which he has outright refused to do. Lynching a lurker right now is like lynching ILJ on Day 1. It's shitty, and it sucks, and we have almost as little to work with. The people youngminii suspects are Demorcerf and LandenC on a large part. He has given little to no analysis on them, only has said to lynch them. The biggest part here is that he briefly mentions sinani, but completely ignores Jacinto and Fudgemunkey as inactives. Jacinto has around 5-6 posts and fudgemunkey has around 8. Why ignore these two as inactive? Most likely because at least one of them is scum.
On June 14 2011 16:15 FudgeMunkey wrote:Ah I see your logic  but its not a very good plan if you just presume that anyone who doesn't mason you is automatically Mafia... I know that its probably gonna be another (real) day or two before I mason anyone... Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 16:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: because I can analyze and rape everyone in this game via PM. Now do it or you are all mafia. This is basically just a fluff post that tries to come off as friendly with his little smiley, while undermining my admittedly bad plan, the actual reasoning of my plan I will go into later.
On June 14 2011 18:00 FudgeMunkey wrote: Also who says that the Mafia will kill you? They can easily just kill three people other than you. -_-
That kinda wastes the point of everyone protecting you because they just kill three others... So this isn't the best strategy... While I admit my plan is bad, the way he is attacking it is silly. The point is that the medics protect me and the mafia are scared to hit me, and that if they really want to hit me it requires an absurd amount of KP to feel confident they wouldn't be wasting hits. The way he tries to point out the mafia benefits seems like it was written from a mafia standpoint while trying to appear townie. I feel like these points will appear weak, but I few them as supportive to the main arguments against fudgemunkey which will come next.
On June 14 2011 16:00 FudgeMunkey wrote: Why are people masoning so quickly? I thought your supposed to make sure that the person you mason is actually trustworthy rather than just mason who ever has the most posts or the biggest... I mean who knows? You may be masoning Mafia straight away which is kinda a waste because they may not talk back to you... -_- Trying to instill paranoia with the masoning, once again I look at this as an additive to the main argument and necessary due to how little I have to work with.
On June 15 2011 15:59 FudgeMunkey wrote: Yes, I agree with 'youngminii'... It seems as if the 'scum' never seem to support a strategy and instead find ways to make it look like its incorrect/false or just plain stupid... They hope to make it look like the person there arguing with is obviously Scum rather than townie or Blue. Once again another one of his posts that are based on the mafia perspective, and this time agreeing with youngminii who soon enough will be a confirmed scum.
On June 17 2011 15:01 FudgeMunkey wrote:Show nested quote +I want an explanation. KP = KenPachi or Kill power? why are you calling people Jackasses? Why did you quote my post? Hysteria! KP means Kill power! For every kill power the Mafia has they can kill each night... Mafia currently have 3 KP so they can kill 3 people per night... Hope that cleared it up. There is literally like 4-5 posts just on what the fuck KP stood for, I am not going to quote them all but its absolutely all filler/fluff with no content or purpose but to spam the thread and increase my blood pressure.
On June 18 2011 16:38 FudgeMunkey wrote:To DeMorcefShow nested quote +What bothers me the most about FudgeM is "To be completely honest I voted for Sinani because I hadn't had time to read all the posts, so yes i was 'stealth voting'". Why would a town cast a vote for (at the time) a major lynch candidate without fully reading up first; that's horrible! Should we read this as, a scum who knows sinani is town (not that I'm sure sinani is town or not), or was told by his accomplices to cast this vote, even though he hasn't had time to actually read the thread? I understand your anger with me for not reading through the whole thread before posting, I have been busy with School work and so forth and I didn't want to get mod killed. I have read through the pages I have missed out on and I am pritty sure I'm up to date with the rest of you. On another note,I agree with Youngminii and VisceraEyes, RoL hasn't been putting the most useful information into this thread and the posts he ends up posting end up with him taunting the town as Youngminii stated. + Show Spoiler +I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days. Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow.
Just some advice. Obviously he'd rather do something else than be in this game and he is a Waste of Space... He is obviously taunting the town to see how long he will last and so far it seems to be working, NO ONE IS VOTING FOR HIM. Before I cast my vote into his/her basket I shall read more of the thread to make my decision final (just to make sure DeMorcef will be happy!)  Another post just agreeing with youngminii, then posting how I contribute absolutely nothing to the thread. Coming from King of "What the fuck does KP stand for?" please don't be offended if I disregard what you said as beyond meaningless.
On June 21 2011 14:51 FudgeMunkey wrote: To Varpulis
I may be have been lurking for most of the game, but at least I'm reading through most the posts and at least half contributing! Unlike other lurkers who just watch, post something so they don't get mod killed and then go back into lurking mode... Bullshit.
On June 20 2011 16:47 FudgeMunkey wrote: WOW! Three Townie dead... These two really shouldn't of been mod killed... Aidnai and Grassgiraffe although Grassgiraffe did a whole lot of nothing...
So... guys what now? Nail in the coffin for me tbh. Pretending to be sad about town misfortune is one of the biggest bullshit scum tells ever. Get out of my game son.
Conclusion Fudgemunkey is scum as fuck and I am going to vigi hit this little girl tonight.
Oh btw? Time to claim so you retards can get off my shit. This means you Mataza, read are conversation, I was hinting at it several times, but you were too gungho on your no behavior analysis trap to actually do shit about it.
I am a vigilante To explain what I have been doing this game, I will have to start from day 1. Night 3 is the most optimal night to hit since you will hopefully still be alive and ideally have the greatest ratio between chance of being alive and amount of information in the game currently. My antics on Day 1 (The mason circle, lying about amount of masons, calling on medic protection) all served the purpose of ensuring I didn't fucking die.
and no, you won't find any posts of me hinting or bread crumbing my role, because I didn't do all that work to be worth a 2 KP snipe on me because some mafia like youngminii tried to do an analysis and realize he found a blue slip. It's why I am alive and other blues are dead.
Why should you believe me? Because I am going to kill FudgeMunkey tonight and then you can all confirm me and stop acting like blind armless midgets. When the night phase comes and youngminii is dead I will have even more information for you hopefully, but we can wait until then.
Lastly to Mataza. Do some fucking behavior analysis on me and stop relying on your flawed "Trap" that got sprung at the worst possible time. I kept telling you in PM's to look at me besides your little trap, and you outright didn't. Your entire case rests on what MANY people have pointed out is flawed and bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I am not getting scum vibes from you, I just wholeheartedly do not believe for a SECOND that you are arguing coherently, and that your continual influence in this town is going to lead us to inevitable defeat.
So with that, lynch me and you can kiss your vigi shot goodnight which is the best chance of us turning this game back into our favor. My goal is by the end of Day 4 to have the mafia KP down to 1, because honestly without that we have WAY too many lurkers to work through with the mafia KP so high.
So everyone time to realize why I am a veteran and Mataza is not. I lay down rape when it matters, while people like him will lead to your demise. And tell you what, if I don't have a hit during the night cycle, I will gladly die tomorrow in place of whatever scum I chose.
Now lets pull our shit together and win this game.
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On June 22 2011 16:21 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2011 15:09 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote: It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing. So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment. Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you. Eh? uncharacteristic? Not really. Someone claims "hi guys I caught a red" his entire argument gets debunked. When the game is also at a point where a misslynch royally fucks the town it is not unsurprising to assume mafia is trying something. At this stage in the game with only 1 red down, 5-11, 1 misslynch and a night of hits puts mafia in a position that only town kp can actually prevent the mafia from winning. You're damn right im suspicious. He comes out with a "solid plan" that was designed to catch a red. Rather than have the only real piece of proof needed to seal the deal it is strangely missing. The situation is now Mataza is scum. Believed roba had solidly "leaked" his role, and double stacked roba or shot hiro in hopes of getting RoL lynched. Or Mataza is vet, mafia shot roba and mataza and this entire situation is a total wtf shit. My piece of evidence that seals the deal is me being fucking alive after being shot. In other games this is regarded as being confirmed vet. Now either you think the scumteam is a band of clowns that devises plans like this: Show nested quote +1: Use both kills on a low-key townie 2: Let one of the really new players claim Veteran 3: Send this new player to accuse RebirthofLegend, a known forum veteran 4: Have a case with around 90% evidence through logs. Leave out the part that "seals the deal" because that´s how we roll 5: Attack all the other veteran players, too. Who cares? 6: get immediately found out after RoL flips. To which the sensible alternative is this: Show nested quote +1: Use both kills on RebirthofLegend to break medic protection 2: Sheep on inactive townie lynch #3
Tell me, Node was scum right, so tell me would Node approve this? Would he actually say yes, we have someone claiming veteran Day 1, only for him to throw it all away day 3 by attacking RoL with an incomplete case? You, fine sir, must be mad to think that. On the other, if Sand slipped, by accident, a blueclaim to RoL and then Sand as well as the blueclaim get hit at night, but the blueclaim is veteran and tells the tale of it, that is total wtf shit?
Sands slip doesn't even look like a fucking slip dude.
and why did you list an example strategy of what mafia would do, when it didn't happen? It's day 3, RoL is not dead, and an inactive isn't on the lynch?
Like your clawing at straws here. You also list these ideas of what one I claim happen then another that is more sensible?
The sensible one because it didn't happen doesn't confirm RoL is scum? Saying what I proposed is wrong is just horribly WIFOM. Anything can happen in this game.
On June 22 2011 16:38 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +BC wrote on page 49: In that same token, you are annoyed I wanted to see hiro and syllogen flip. But Hiro was up for two lynches. Not 1, 2. He had been attacked by a ton of people, and flipped town. Syllogen appeared scummy but flipped town. Seeing the information provided when so much analysis and time had gone into that situation had to be given. Not only did hiro clear that, a red died, and we are left in a much better position than we were day 2. This is wrong on sooo many levels. RoL is right now up for his second lynch, too. It is also the first case to involve a blue and it would also be the first lynch to off a red. Up to now only GREENS have been up to be lynched. I may be missing something, but our information from day 1 and day 2 analysis are worth nothing. You can´t tell me you hit Node through that knowledge. I believe you are good, but I don´t believe you are a magician. How is our position any better than day 2? Why Node´s death doesn´t matter to scum: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4L4d9.jpg) If I was scum and I could ensure that no scum will be lynched for the rest of the game, I would totally do it. And that is why our situation is actually worse then day 2. Much worse. We magically caught a scum oh wondrous world. No analysis has been done on him. Sinani commited a vote to him. How the fuck did you "catch" Node?
Wait, now your questioning how our situation is better? We are down one scum. As for how it happened? Did you not see me call him out day 1? Did you not see he continued the same activity I called him out for? Did you not see how he barely got through day 2. They guy is a damn vet and knows better. Sometimes you just look at the play and go "i know hes scummy" and It was acted on.
As for day 2 being worse? How is being up a townie, and down a red a bad thing? How is not wasting town KP to kill a town kp a bad thing.
Its only a bad looking day because we have wastes so much damn time on this shit already.
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Unvote: RebirthOfLeGenD
Apparently lightning...DOES...strike twice in the same spot.
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On June 22 2011 15:06 youngminii wrote: i swear to god mataza if you are wrong about this
look, basically if we lynch RoL today and he flips non-red, then (i dunno what the rest of town is thinking but i'm assuming they'll take RoL's analysis for truth) I'll be lynched tomorrow and we'll lose
you can understand why people are apprehensive to listen to your 'plan'
either way, i'll move my vote back to RoL since absolutely no one is looking to vote for landenc/demorcerf (WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING BY THE FUCKING WAY) If I see you try to push one more stupid lynch without analysis or purpose I will seriously fly out to australia and murder you with a kangaroo.
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On June 22 2011 16:26 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 16:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 22 2011 16:23 youngminii wrote: relax mataza no need to go mouthing off at everyone
rol is still slated to die, it's only bc defending him
and bc, there's been plenty of analysis done on rol You mean like your analysis on him day 2? which was very familiar to your day 1 tunnel of ILJ that led to a townie? kenpachi's too i'm just saying, if you want to look for them they're there i'm sure you could weed out all the retarded parts of them Here let me take care of this for you! I will get rid of all the bad parts, unfortunately all we have left is this
Youngminii wrote: The....Scum..... are..... mafia...
Which unfortunately, doesn't prove very much.
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On June 22 2011 16:38 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +BC wrote on page 49: In that same token, you are annoyed I wanted to see hiro and syllogen flip. But Hiro was up for two lynches. Not 1, 2. He had been attacked by a ton of people, and flipped town. Syllogen appeared scummy but flipped town. Seeing the information provided when so much analysis and time had gone into that situation had to be given. Not only did hiro clear that, a red died, and we are left in a much better position than we were day 2. This is wrong on sooo many levels. RoL is right now up for his second lynch, too. It is also the first case to involve a blue and it would also be the first lynch to off a red. Up to now only GREENS have been up to be lynched. I may be missing something, but our information from day 1 and day 2 analysis are worth nothing. You can´t tell me you hit Node through that knowledge. I believe you are good, but I don´t believe you are a magician. Seriously? Did you not see both of my fucking analysis? I use information from days 1 and 2. If you had the sense to ever fucking read anything instead of shouting about your plan the information is there to make correct decisions, you just have to open your eyes and be willing to try. When I say lynching a mafia today is vital to victory, I am not exaggerating, with the inactive presence in this game getting the town mafia numbers so close is sure defeat. Do some fucking analysis and maybe, just maybe you won't completely fuck this town.
How is our position any better than day 2? Why Node´s death doesn´t matter to scum: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4L4d9.jpg) If I was scum and I could ensure that no scum will be lynched for the rest of the game, I would totally do it. And that is why our situation is actually worse then day 2. Much worse. We magically caught a scum oh wondrous world. No analysis has been done on him. Sinani commited a vote to him. How the fuck did you "catch" Node? Stop sucking, there is a reason BC is considered one of the best players on this forum and its because we can take a bit of luck (Hiro not dying) and turn it into a rape. If you really want to see lightning strike a few more times, you kids better make sure I am alive come 10PM EST tomorrow.
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there's no way in hell anyone should believe you a VIG goes out of his way to form a ridiculous mason plan on day 1 painting him as a giant target for scum?
LOLNO
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On June 22 2011 17:35 youngminii wrote: there's no way in hell anyone should believe you a VIG goes out of his way to form a ridiculous mason plan on day 1 painting him as a giant target for scum?
LOLNO Yeah, notice how I am alive and our blues aren't. Who is ridiculous now? Blues get caught by trying to play in the background and get sniped for doing stupid shit. When I am in a game I make sure to be so active, and such be such a threat to get a medic protection that I am absolutely not worth hitting, just because of the risk, and stacking early on isn't worth it.
Kill me and watch the hops of victory for the town go with it. We need my kill in order to rip victory from the jaws of defeat.
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On June 20 2011 12:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Idea for night actions Currently here is what I would like to do. I want ALL vigilantes to target hiro tonight. Vigilante hits get refunded if they are stacked with mafia or anything else, so we won't be wasting hits. I will also carefully think through how I would like to try to organize the remaining DT/Hatters and on what subjects to have them act.
All ideas are welcome for this. my initial thoughts are Mataza, DeMorcerf, and VisceraEyes HAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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On June 22 2011 17:38 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Idea for night actions Currently here is what I would like to do. I want ALL vigilantes to target hiro tonight. Vigilante hits get refunded if they are stacked with mafia or anything else, so we won't be wasting hits. I will also carefully think through how I would like to try to organize the remaining DT/Hatters and on what subjects to have them act.
All ideas are welcome for this. my initial thoughts are Mataza, DeMorcerf, and VisceraEyes HAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ....? You caught me, I am definitely not above using elaborate strategies to confuse mafia. wait.... look at how I avoided dying so far? There is a reason that while we are both considered vets, that I am on a whole different level and its because I can change up styles to do what needs to be done. Much like Jack Bauer....
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Anyway, I am going to sleep now. You lurkers need to get rid of youngminii and sheep your votes properly. If I die, our chances of winning the game are going with it too.
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On June 22 2011 17:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 17:38 youngminii wrote:On June 20 2011 12:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Idea for night actions Currently here is what I would like to do. I want ALL vigilantes to target hiro tonight. Vigilante hits get refunded if they are stacked with mafia or anything else, so we won't be wasting hits. I will also carefully think through how I would like to try to organize the remaining DT/Hatters and on what subjects to have them act.
All ideas are welcome for this. my initial thoughts are Mataza, DeMorcerf, and VisceraEyes HAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ....? You caught me, I am definitely not above using elaborate strategies to confuse mafia. wait.... look at how I avoided dying so far? There is a reason that while we are both considered vets, that I am on a whole different level and its because I can change up styles to do what needs to be done. Much like Jack Bauer.... ok there's absolutely no way i'm letting you live today just wait until the game is over and you'll see that your tunneling of me was terrible if not horrific
once we kill you maybe we'll FINALLY get to tackle the lurkers
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I'm too lolstupid to do what I'm told. Better factor that in.
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Okay here's the lowdown for anyone tuning in that doesn't understand/doesn't wanna sift through pages of horseshit. The following may or may not be in chronological order.
- I want to focus on lurkers, primarily LandenC and demorcerf - Mataza claimed Vet and that he was hit. He also claimed to have set up a plan with Sandroba (who is now dead) - This plan was sprung and apparently paints RoL as scum - Mataza is absolutely sure that the plan went off, RoL denies taking the bait while Mataza claims Sandroba made absolutely sure RoL took the bait - BC thinks Mataza is making this all up in an elaborate plan set up by the mafia - RoL posts an analysis where he believes that I am mafia - RoL claims Vig, however just last night he posted:
[QUOTE]On June 20 2011 12:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Idea for night actions Currently here is what I would like to do. I want ALL vigilantes to target hiro tonight. Vigilante hits get refunded if they are stacked with mafia or anything else, so we won't be wasting hits. I will also carefully think through how I would like to try to organize the remaining DT/Hatters and on what subjects to have them act.
All ideas are welcome for this. my initial thoughts are Mataza, DeMorcerf, and VisceraEyes
- RoL claims he was 'tricking' the mafia
Basically it's coming down to lynching RoL based on Mataza's plan, his slip up with the Vig claim and his past history I guess, or me based on RoL's analysis. Keep in mind the same tunneling style that RoL used in the previous day's syllogism lynch.
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