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Oh come on, don´t take us for morons just because we are relatively new to this forum.
RoL taking a little breadcrumb I planted and selling it as something Sandroba would panic over is retarded.
You could as well go back to day one where i planted my first meager breadcrumb which nobody cared for.
It can work and I will definitely go through with this.
This is horseshit and it´s from the 15th.
What RoL just served you is the same horseshit from 18th.
Seriously, do I really need to tell someone I cannot trust yet(BloodyC0bbler) what I do, before I do it to make it credible?
Of course RoL is going to deny receiving a message that would condemn him. He is SCUM on the chopping block.
Him saying he received that message is the equivalent of him confessing his guilt.
At the start people said town wins by creating several small circles instead of one big circle. But apparently every communication has to go through BC or some other veteran still.
Do you want to know why I do not trust any of the veterans? Because they did fuck all this game and fuck all my last game.
We have a Zodiac list with veterans. The first vet dies, the second vet dies, nobody reacts. Node gets killed and flips scum. BC called him out apparently with pure gut feeling.
That reeks of the godfather bussing the weakest link.
There was no analysis prior to the night and no questions asked afterwards.
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On June 22 2011 13:36 Mataza wrote:Oh come on, don´t take us for morons just because we are relatively new to this forum. RoL taking a little breadcrumb I planted and selling it as something Sandroba would panic over is retarded. You could as well go back to day one where i planted my first meager breadcrumb which nobody cared for. It can work and I will definitely go through with this.This is horseshit and it´s from the 15th. What RoL just served you is the same horseshit from 18th. Seriously, do I really need to tell someone I cannot trust yet(BloodyC0bbler) what I do, before I do it to make it credible? Of course RoL is going to deny receiving a message that would condemn him. He is SCUM on the chopping block. Him saying he received that message is the equivalent of him confessing his guilt. At the start people said town wins by creating several small circles instead of one big circle. But apparently every communication has to go through BC or some other veteran still. Do you want to know why I do not trust any of the veterans? Because they did fuck all this game and fuck all my last game. We have a Zodiac list with veterans. The first vet dies, the second vet dies, nobody reacts. Node gets killed and flips scum. BC called him out apparently with pure gut feeling. That reeks of the godfather bussing the weakest link. There was no analysis prior to the night and no questions asked afterwards.
You do realize he never responded solidy to my pressure day 1? You do realize he was on mine and sand's scum lists?
You can ask questions, sure. Thats fine and good. I am here asking questions now. The bits i quoted in your previous posts suggested crumbs -_- and you outright lied on when you mason'd him. I get trying to prove your point, but what you and RoL have provided shows the weakest fucking plan I have ever seen. I then see a player say "rol and opz are crap shoots, lets shoot inactives, into supporting rol's lynch to back to inactives".
Give me something more.
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BC I didn´t say I didn´t mason him, I said I didn´t use the connection.
These are my sent messages.
Read from top to bottom:
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6. sandroba Re: XLII: Hi 6/20 03:28
5. sandroba Re: XLII: Hi 6/20 02:52
Mysterious contact #2Re: SNMM4 6/19 12:11
Mysterious contact #2SNMM4 6/19 12:04
4. sandroba Re: XLII: Hi 6/19 10:53
Mysterious contact #1Re: Vertrauen 6/19 10:40
3. sandroba Re: XLII: Hi 6/18 14:16
Mysterious contact #1Re: Night 1 6/18 14:13
Mysterious contact #1Re: Night 1 6/18 10:16
Mysterious contact #1Re: Well Played. 6/17 12:25
2. sandroba Re: XLII: Hi 6/17 05:21
Mysterious contact #1Re: ilovejonn case 6/17 00:37
Mysterious contact #1ilovejonn case 6/17 00:11
Mysterious contact #1Re: Vertrauen 6/16 23:59
1. sandroba XLII: Hi 6/16 09:15
Mysterious contact #1Re: n0 6/16 09:13
flamewheel XLII Masoning Sandroba 6/16 04:56
What they contain:
1. Me: Did anyone follow your plan?
2. Sandroba: Hey. I think you might be onto something in your demorcef analysis. Me: It´s not really an analysis in my opinion, I just posted to get discussion going again.
3. Sandroba: Care to post your opinions on my lists in the tread? Me: Sorry I´ve had a long night and am now going to sleep. I´ll catch up later.
4. Me: I apologize for not commenting on last night, but I was kinda drunk(friday after all).
If you have anything you want a second opinion, just ask.
What´s your opinion on Demorcerf? I want to know your own reasons to suspect him.
5. Sandroba: Please mason Node to safe him from Modkill Me: It´s not like he is active on other parts of TL. If he isn´t on TL, my PM will never reach him.
6. Sandroba: Do you have skype? My irc is acting up. Me: Yes I do.
You can see it´s about 1 message per day until the 19th. Around that time we began talking in IRC.
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On June 22 2011 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 07:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I looked over my notes and I saw him push aidnai a bit day 1. That was actually what confirmed him as town to me, since ILJ was obviously a bad lynch the mafia have no reason to try to add more targets into the fray. I find it interesting how you're distorting the timeline around OpZ. 1st, OpZ pushes aidnai, based on spam. 2nd, OpZ claims indifference to lynching either aidnai, Sinani and ILJ 3rd, OpZ tunnels ILJ hard 4th, OpZ scum-switches to GG, an inactive lynch target that was already on the docket. GTFO scum.
Did not switch to grass giraffe....fyi...only to save ILJ.
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On June 22 2011 00:50 youngminii wrote:
stop being silly
lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot
get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell
landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post
obvious lynches
Don't defend me and RoL in the same post...seriously...I've even pointed out you disappearing after the ILJ shit?
And gtfo viscera...
On June 22 2011 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man, YM, you're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about lurkers...if I wasn't so convinced of RoL and OpZ, I'd be all about your agenda - especially since in this game, preference was given to people with proven inactivity. But I hardly think that OpZ and RoL are crapshoots...did you even read my analysis? Did you not hear Mataza? Obviously RoL is going to say it's bullshit. He's just been as good as outed as red. Would YOU own up to it if it was you?
RoL is also messing up the details in defending me. I'm interested in seeing what he is. If he is mafia, it'll make me look bad, but I can handle that.
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On June 22 2011 11:53 sinani206 wrote:Back from the Grand Canyon! It was quite fun. Spent some time with my family, and now I get to go back to living in my room.  Of the 8 voting for RoL (not including me): 1 (Mataza) proved he was Mafia with the whole PM thing. (no shit) 1 (GGQ) voted without posting in the thread 6 voted with a post such as "good evidence" or something like that. Not scummy at all, considering the circumstances.I propose someone shoots GGQ tonight because he hasn't really contributed at all and killing inactives is the vigilante's job. GGQ has been passing by with 1 to 2 posts a day, and everyone has overlooked that. So I will be voting for RoL today and hopefully someone shoots GGQ tonight. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend
Does anyone else find sinani to be incredibly scummy as well? And can you clarify if the bolded part is sarcasm?
"Mataza brought forward a "trap" that shows RoL is scum.
Mataza is also scum.
The people agreeing with Mataza's conclusions aren't scummy even though he's scum? (Or is that sarcasm? Doesn't really matter though)
I will vote RoL based off the "evidence" someone I think is scum brought forward.
Jumping on the bandwagon"
That makes perfect sense... -_-
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You know what:
Assume I am dumb until I explain every detail
Assume I lied until I tell you exactly how I spend my PMs
Assume that RoL may be innocent even though my story perfectly explains what happened
+ Show Spoiler +
I am not here for others to assume I´m an idiot until proven otherwise.
I am accepting masons for people for people who don´t want to organize through BC.
No one has proven that BC is not the godfather.
He did not do much day 1 and 2 because analysis only gets reliable day3 or after.
All I see from here is he doubts I am able to execute one of the most basic plans you can do in Mafia.
Do you know what I deem a bad plan?
Telling your suspect an action via PM. Then if the action goes through assume your suspect is not scum because your action wasn´t roleblocked.
1. They know you are watching them. If the action gets roleblocked, guess what, you know exactly who did it.
2. If the action gets roleblocked, you will still get your suspect killed afterwards.
This is about as intelligible a plan like RoL asking to be masoned by everyone to pressure people into scumslips in PM.
You tell scum exactly what you intend to do, then hope they fall for it.
If I executed my plan this way, I would have masoned RoL, told him I´m veteran and if I didn´t get hit, concluded he is green.
My plan worked because RoL didn´t know that I knew that Sandroba told him about my claim.
Probably RoLs last information was that Sandroba is suspicious of me.
Like I stated in the middle of the message, I am accepting masons now.
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WHERE DID SANDROBA SAY HE OUTRIGHT TOLD HIM YOU WERE BLUE
i seriously cannot find it for myself even though i'm reading your posts over and over again
am i missing something because i'm blind?
[19.06.2011 20:58:08] Sandro Maculan: not telling
[19.06.2011 20:58:12] Sandro Maculan: just crumbing
??
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It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing.
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i swear to god mataza
if you are wrong about this
look, basically if we lynch RoL today and he flips non-red, then (i dunno what the rest of town is thinking but i'm assuming they'll take RoL's analysis for truth) I'll be lynched tomorrow and we'll lose
you can understand why people are apprehensive to listen to your 'plan'
either way, i'll move my vote back to RoL since absolutely no one is looking to vote for landenc/demorcerf (WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING BY THE FUCKING WAY)
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On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote:
It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing.
So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment.
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On June 22 2011 15:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote:
It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing. So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment.
Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you.
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On June 22 2011 15:09 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 15:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote:
It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged.
The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing. So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment. Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you.
Eh? uncharacteristic? Not really. Someone claims "hi guys I caught a red" his entire argument gets debunked. When the game is also at a point where a misslynch royally fucks the town it is not unsurprising to assume mafia is trying something. At this stage in the game with only 1 red down, 5-11, 1 misslynch and a night of hits puts mafia in a position that only town kp can actually prevent the mafia from winning.
You're damn right im suspicious. He comes out with a "solid plan" that was designed to catch a red. Rather than have the only real piece of proof needed to seal the deal it is strangely missing.
The situation is now
Mataza is scum. Believed roba had solidly "leaked" his role, and double stacked roba or shot hiro in hopes of getting RoL lynched.
Or
Mataza is vet, mafia shot roba and mataza and this entire situation is a total wtf shit.
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mataza claimed vet to sandroba a long time ago
you can't seriously expect me to believe scum mataza had the foresight to plan this from the very start
his entire argument hasn't really been debunked
it's just an issue of whether or not to believe mataza or rol
rol's good enough to know what to do in this situation (as scum), and if you're convinced the OBVIOUS vet is scum then obviously rol's doing a good job
but yeah if neither of them are red this whole situation is fucked
and mataza shall never be trusted again 
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On June 22 2011 15:20 youngminii wrote:mataza claimed vet to sandroba a long time ago you can't seriously expect me to believe scum mataza had the foresight to plan this from the very start his entire argument hasn't really been debunked it's just an issue of whether or not to believe mataza or rol rol's good enough to know what to do in this situation (as scum), and if you're convinced the OBVIOUS vet is scum then obviously rol's doing a good job but yeah if neither of them are red this whole situation is fucked and mataza shall never be trusted again
He just claimed in earlier posts that he didnt tell sand his role until around the same time sand supposedly told RoL. Like, this entire plan hatched from. Sand "telling RoL" his role the moment he was told by mataza. Mataza then gets annoyed and they make this plan to confirm RoL. Or have I horribly misread what has been presented here?
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ZodiacScumlistRebirthoflegend - is to be lynched today/attacks YM
BloodyC0bbler - Godfather/keeps finding reasons to play down my plan
Node - was bussed by Bloodyc0bbler
Mr.Wiggles - tries to salvage RoL by sheeping the YM attack
Kitaman - flipped green
Opz - distances himself from RoL already, began analysing votes of day 1 & day 2 for no reason
Youngminii - "lynching rol or opz is a crapshoot, let´s lynch landenc"
Scamp - flipped blue
Seriously, am I hallucinating?
All these players are supposed to promote discussion and pro town atmosphere from day 1. What actually happened is that the thread was incredibly inactive and RoL actually got away day 2 by waiting. You are not supposed to wait until the suspicion on you is gone.
They all kept moderately active if you look at post numbers.
But you can also find gems like:
Mine has posted+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2011 11:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:50 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1. Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too. Mine has posted. On June 20 2011 13:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So here is the dealio. No one, and I repeat no one shoots hiro. There are new developments that I cannot go into detail at this exact time to explain but no one takes a pot shot at him. I repeat
until further notice, no hatter/vig shoots hiro
When things are fleshed out more I will give you more info, but for the next bit of time keep your guns holstered. On June 20 2011 13:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:28 Varpulis wrote:On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote:
RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land? Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 11:00 flamewheel wrote:
Day 2 Vote Tally
Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node,
Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler
Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism
Votes for Node (1): sinani206
syllogism is to be lynched. aidnai and grassgiraffe will be modkilled. -_-
I can´t believe the apathy of our beloved vets.
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Oh wow, I actually unearthed a real gem right there.
VisceraEyes, Demorcerf and me are all suspicious?
Hallelooja. I heard that all veterans are innocent and all people on the mafia-lead 2nd inactive lynch are innocent too?
Oh, just don´t go around and FoS people who are recognized by name, why not complete the scumlist with Fudgemonkey, Jacinto and Shraft?
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On June 22 2011 15:27 Mataza wrote:ZodiacScumlist Show nested quote +Rebirthoflegend - is to be lynched today/attacks YM
BloodyC0bbler - Godfather/keeps finding reasons to play down my plan
Node - was bussed by Bloodyc0bbler
Mr.Wiggles - tries to salvage RoL by sheeping the YM attack
Kitaman - flipped green
Opz - distances himself from RoL already, began analysing votes of day 1 & day 2 for no reason
Youngminii - "lynching rol or opz is a crapshoot, let´s lynch landenc"
Scamp - flipped blue Seriously, am I hallucinating? All these players are supposed to promote discussion and pro town atmosphere from day 1. What actually happened is that the thread was incredibly inactive and RoL actually got away day 2 by waiting. You are not supposed to wait until the suspicion on you is gone. They all kept moderately active if you look at post numbers. But you can also find gems like: Mine has posted + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2011 11:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:50 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1. Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too. Mine has posted. Hint: Hiro has an active blue role or is veteran being shot by vigilante, don´t kill him + Show Spoiler +On June 20 2011 13:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So here is the dealio. No one, and I repeat no one shoots hiro. There are new developments that I cannot go into detail at this exact time to explain but no one takes a pot shot at him. I repeat
until further notice, no hatter/vig shoots hiro
When things are fleshed out more I will give you more info, but for the next bit of time keep your guns holstered. -.- + Show Spoiler +On June 20 2011 13:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:28 Varpulis wrote:On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote:
RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land? Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 11:00 flamewheel wrote:
Day 2 Vote Tally
Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node,
Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler
Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism
Votes for Node (1): sinani206
syllogism is to be lynched. aidnai and grassgiraffe will be modkilled. -_- I can´t believe the apathy of our beloved vets.
Believe it or not a lot of our apathy comes from retarded plays like this. You know what, yes, telling in thread not to shoot hiro could infact have given his role away, but whats worse? Him being shot with a bomb on no one, and wasting two town kp's or get one to hopefully get his shot off?
You call it apathy but seriously, day 1 and 2 town was killed in the lynches and tunneled. I spend a day trying to direct a lynch towards someone who gets modkilled a day later. RoL does defend himself and gets the lynched moved (sadly to a townie) but the person he saved was a blue. Why would mafia put their neck out that far. Why would he not just defend himself and get hiro killed instead?
Overall the plays done by RoL have shown a ton of apathy but factor in other circumstances and they aren't horrendously scumlike. Seriously dude. You have been caught in a situation where you have literally no proof of what you claim and ask people to trust you.
But not just trust you in this, you want them to mason you? To organize people? Why would anyone trust you when you have yet to actually prove your alignment. Instead it wastes peoples mason's and potentially outs the remaining blues.
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This is a nice argument right there.
Could RoL know if Syllo or Hiro were blue? No, he didn´t. Would he be more credible when he attacks a lurker no one else had on the radar, through the sheer power of being a forum veteran? Yes, I do think so. I can´t remember RoL defending Hiro.
Actually, I do remember you, BC, telling the town to shoot the survivor of the lynch anyway. Because you just don´t care. Oh wait, halfway through the night Sandroba said thisOn June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote:
RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here?
To which you answered this:On June 20 2011 13:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:28 Varpulis wrote:On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote:
RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land? Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 11:00 flamewheel wrote:
Day 2 Vote Tally
Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node,
Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler
Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism
Votes for Node (1): sinani206
syllogism is to be lynched. aidnai and grassgiraffe will be modkilled. -_-
You can´t say you didn´t call for shooting the survivor of the lynch.
On June 20 2011 10:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Swaying argument in pm land has led me to believe syllo is a better lynch atm. vote syllogismShow nested quote +On June 20 2011 10:18 GGQ wrote:On June 20 2011 04:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Worst 36 hours of my life that I can remember in ages. However I am back and my schedule is now back to standard life so I shouldn't be mia so long. To start with, I have just caught up on the thread and anyone voting for RoL unvote now. With so little discussion against his lynch it is clear mafia are content with him dying. Factor in his general acting like an ass to me would imply that if he is town he is using it to dodge night hits. Why the hell else would you be so apathetic? Now as to the two other vote targets proposed below. On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote:I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes. - syllogism
- Hiro Protagonist
- RebirthOfLeGenD
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. Hiro has two days worth of suspect behaviour, and has been on the lynch twice. IF he survives this lynch he should be getting vigi'd. Simple. Syllogism has called people out for not contributing and then barely contributed himself. He then follows it up using the excuse. On June 19 2011 05:50 syllogism wrote:
It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum. Now i say this is suspect purely for one simple reason. He doesn't believe RoL would perform this way as scum, but then doesnt try to figure out why RoL is playing the way he is and still votes to kill him. He has since unvoted and has opted to analyze another player on very weak analysis. After this analysis he doesnt even back it up with a vote. Major FoS on him for now. As a new player who has a ton of expectations you don't follow through on what you expect of others, nor do you properly pressure the people you expect more from and rely on other people to do it for you. This being said your activity level throughout the day as well as attempting to do analysis (even if it was terrible but everyone starts at the bottom before learning) I am willing to give you another day to step it up. Hiro has not really done a whole lot, and the moment votes started swapping from RoL elsewhere (syllo and hiro) the thread picked up in activity from what I can see. As such it seems mafia more likely to be opposed to one of the two of these players being lynched. vote hirotheprotagonist Vigi's whichever of the two doesnt get lynched, the other should be shot. Did you just scumslip by assuming that either of these players would flip green? Anyways, I think at this point Node is the highest priority for a vig shot, we can't let people on YOUR zodiac list lurk that hardcore. Based on how both appeared on the lynch docket at roughly the same time and thread activity has spiked at the same time, I would gather 1 is red, whereas the possibility of a second is there it is not guarenteed. If the lynch flips green vig the survivor as that is who the red will be.
Oh how very indifferent to who gets lynched. You don´t even try to find out which is red.
Let´s just try and if it didn´t work, try again. I mean we have a lot of town players, it´s not like it´s important to minimize losses.
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On June 22 2011 16:02 Mataza wrote:This is a nice argument right there. Could RoL know if Syllo or Hiro were blue? No, he didn´t. Would he be more credible when he attacks a lurker no one else had on the radar, through the sheer power of being a forum veteran? Yes, I do think so. I can´t remember RoL defending Hiro. Actually, I do remember you, BC, telling the town to shoot the survivor of the lynch anyway. Because you just don´t care. Oh wait, halfway through the night Sandroba said this Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote:
RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? To which you answered this: Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 20 2011 13:28 Varpulis wrote:On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote:
RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land? On June 20 2011 11:00 flamewheel wrote:
Day 2 Vote Tally
Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node,
Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler
Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism
Votes for Node (1): sinani206
syllogism is to be lynched. aidnai and grassgiraffe will be modkilled. -_- You can´t say you didn´t call for shooting the survivor of the lynch. Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 10:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Swaying argument in pm land has led me to believe syllo is a better lynch atm. vote syllogismOn June 20 2011 10:18 GGQ wrote:On June 20 2011 04:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Worst 36 hours of my life that I can remember in ages. However I am back and my schedule is now back to standard life so I shouldn't be mia so long. To start with, I have just caught up on the thread and anyone voting for RoL unvote now. With so little discussion against his lynch it is clear mafia are content with him dying. Factor in his general acting like an ass to me would imply that if he is town he is using it to dodge night hits. Why the hell else would you be so apathetic? Now as to the two other vote targets proposed below. On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote:I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes. - syllogism
- Hiro Protagonist
- RebirthOfLeGenD
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. Hiro has two days worth of suspect behaviour, and has been on the lynch twice. IF he survives this lynch he should be getting vigi'd. Simple. Syllogism has called people out for not contributing and then barely contributed himself. He then follows it up using the excuse. On June 19 2011 05:50 syllogism wrote:
It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum. Now i say this is suspect purely for one simple reason. He doesn't believe RoL would perform this way as scum, but then doesnt try to figure out why RoL is playing the way he is and still votes to kill him. He has since unvoted and has opted to analyze another player on very weak analysis. After this analysis he doesnt even back it up with a vote. Major FoS on him for now. As a new player who has a ton of expectations you don't follow through on what you expect of others, nor do you properly pressure the people you expect more from and rely on other people to do it for you. This being said your activity level throughout the day as well as attempting to do analysis (even if it was terrible but everyone starts at the bottom before learning) I am willing to give you another day to step it up. Hiro has not really done a whole lot, and the moment votes started swapping from RoL elsewhere (syllo and hiro) the thread picked up in activity from what I can see. As such it seems mafia more likely to be opposed to one of the two of these players being lynched. vote hirotheprotagonist Vigi's whichever of the two doesnt get lynched, the other should be shot. Did you just scumslip by assuming that either of these players would flip green? Anyways, I think at this point Node is the highest priority for a vig shot, we can't let people on YOUR zodiac list lurk that hardcore. Based on how both appeared on the lynch docket at roughly the same time and thread activity has spiked at the same time, I would gather 1 is red, whereas the possibility of a second is there it is not guarenteed. If the lynch flips green vig the survivor as that is who the red will be. Oh how very indifferent to who gets lynched. You don´t even try to find out which is red. Let´s just try and if it didn´t work, try again. I mean we have a lot of town players, it´s not like it´s important to minimize losses.
So wanting someone dead to clear up a descrepency in voting and seeing people who pushed people is a bad thing? You then point out my post bolding information found in the voting thread as a bad post? He missed an obvious post, it is very -_-
In that same token, you are annoyed I wanted to see hiro and syllogen flip. But Hiro was up for two lynches. Not 1, 2. He had been attacked by a ton of people, and flipped town. Syllogen appeared scummy but flipped town. Seeing the information provided when so much analysis and time had gone into that situation had to be given. Not only did hiro clear that, a red died, and we are left in a much better position than we were day 2.
I get that you are mad I am attacking your plan but seriously dude, its really really really weak. IF you think hes red so much, solidly analyze the guy. Convince me, as of now you don't have enough.
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