EPTNot that I blame you, Jack Bauer is the man...I'm just saying...it's even outlined in my analysis (you know, the one you called me retarded over?)
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VisceraEyes
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Not that I blame you, Jack Bauer is the man...I'm just saying...it's even outlined in my analysis (you know, the one you called me retarded over?) | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I'm asking this, because your "trap" and it's results seem a little weird. There's a couple things wrong with it, and I'd like you (Mataza) to clarify: 1. Mafia would want to know what kind of blue Mataza was. They don't want to waste a hit on a vet (like they did), and they don't want to shoot a hatter if they don't know his bomb target. Did RoL ever press you or Sandroba for your specific role? This is a big deal, because I expect if RoL were mafia, he would be smart enough to try to manipulate you, than just shoot indiscriminately when he hears blue. I'm also asking because San had a strong town read on RoL, so it would be easy for RoL to press him for information if he wanted. 2. Why is Sandroba's death related to your role? It doesn't make sense to me, for mafia to shoot Sandroba just to tie up "loose ends". There's a chance any townie can get shot, so mafia shooting you shouldn't make RoL instantly look suspicious. Townies get shot, and I'm sure he could have explained that to Sandroba. So, I don't get the "scum master plan" you're proposing here. If scum wanted to kill you for a blue slip, all they needed to do was shoot you, and someone else. There's no need to silence Sandroba. @RoL Would you mind sharing any of your PM's with Sandroba? I want to see the "blue crumbing", rather than just take Mataza's and Sandroba's word that it was explicit. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On June 22 2011 07:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I looked over my notes and I saw him push aidnai a bit day 1. That was actually what confirmed him as town to me, since ILJ was obviously a bad lynch the mafia have no reason to try to add more targets into the fray. I find it interesting how you're distorting the timeline around OpZ. 1st, OpZ pushes aidnai, based on spam. 2nd, OpZ claims indifference to lynching either aidnai, Sinani and ILJ 3rd, OpZ tunnels ILJ hard 4th, OpZ scum-switches to GG, an inactive lynch target that was already on the docket. GTFO scum. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
##vote RebirthofLegend | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 22 2011 06:31 Mataza wrote: Hello Wifom! Look it´s circular, uncalled for since he is supposed to flip green and it tells us he is not godfather. He wants us to be extra doubtful until the godfather is found. Flip a coin to determine what this tells us. Hint: It´s only here to make us mistrust each other For good measure, let´s tie up some loose ends I unearthed my own post(yes, I like my own posts  )The day after Mig, the cop, died: Sound familiar? Something is told via PM then everyone involved dies mysteriously. That´s right, they did it again last night, with me and Sandroba.+ Show Spoiler + <Mr. Mysterio> Kenpachi WOULD have made a great n0 check. <Mataza> exactly< <Mr. Mysterio> He's INFAMOUS for being insane in his posting. <Mr. Mysterio> My money is on Miller if that's true...he's been posting like insane-town...not insane-scum. <Mataza> if he was miller, would RoL pass this chance? <Mataza> to gain ezpz towncred <Mataza> it´s like towncred on a silver platter <Mr. Mysterio> Pass chance to what? Call out for DT check on Kenpachi? <Mataza> he could claim he is dt himself or he knows one who checked kenpachi <Mr. Mysterio> He already did <Mr. Mysterio> lol <Mataza> he even could say it was mig and that mig got shot because he dropped bluetells <Mataza> or because of "the mysterious other mason he had" <Mataza> and then he would be townhero Simply, I don´t buy that RoL just claimed a copcheck out of boredom(boredom being his excuse for every single thing he did). Also mig had night 0 to get one check, yet he didn´t breadcrumb anything(Sandroba was miller, so that message doesn´t count) It´s not waterproof but I do think Kenpachi being scum is possible. Discuss okay wait what is this bullshit. actually, i thought that i was scum too as the game went on, and im kinda sad because i really am not. but if i was, isnt that awesome? | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
meh, i assume we dont know if we are a creepy beard guy based off Sandroba's bye post On June 21 2011 15:56 sandroba wrote: lol I was miller! GL town. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On June 22 2011 07:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: wiggles, if you can mason me. Don't use a mason on someone who's probably going to die today. Especially when the information would be fine to put in the thread, lol. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 22 2011 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I find it interesting how you're distorting the timeline around OpZ. 1st, OpZ pushes aidnai, based on spam. 2nd, OpZ claims indifference to lynching either aidnai, Sinani and ILJ 3rd, OpZ tunnels ILJ hard 4th, OpZ scum-switches to GG, an inactive lynch target that was already on the docket. GTFO scum. I didn't distort anything? I said I saw him push aidnai while ILJ was under fire. Tell me how I distorted any timeline? I didn't. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
1. To my knowledge no pressure at all. I believe it´s an equally valid method to feign no interest as to keep everyone on a "need to know" basis. Pressuring for a role through another person is an arduous task and might be interpreted as fishing. By not fishing no one would have a reason to tell that to "Mason #2" They were just riding high on 3 bluesnipes in 2 days. How do you know how strong Sandrobas townread on RoL was? 2. Look for my blueslips. I dare you to find condemning ones. I am very different from the other blue snipes in behaviour. There´s still a chance for coincidence but it´s miniscule. See, if you would tell Xx that you find Yy suspicious, because Yy is claiming blue in a weird way to you and the following night Yy drops dead, woudln´t you doubt Xx too? Wouldn´t you find it at least curious and tell all your other masons? What you are proposing is about as likely as your own explanation in PTP, that you got framed and your target got busdriven to the on-death alignmentrevealer, all in one night. I´m not saying it´s impossible, but you should go buy a lottery ticket if it happens. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On June 22 2011 07:59 Kenpachi wrote: RoL is being extra obnoxious about not wanting to play this game.. seriously, i believe its some sort of psychology abuse. ##vote RebirthofLegend I know you haven't posted in like 2 game days, but if you look even just ONE page back you will see a giant analysis I just did. Except for the day 1 lul I had, I have posted actively since then. Please do not spread misinformation. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On June 22 2011 08:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I didn't distort anything? I said I saw him push aidnai while ILJ was under fire. Tell me how I distorted any timeline? I didn't. First of all, he never 'pushed' aidnai. He voted for him once, said he had scum-spam, and let it lie. Second, if ILJ was so obviously a bad lynch, why did OpZ (your confirmed townie) tunnel him directly following him "pushing" aidnai? I'm not spamming the thread any further with this nonsense...you're trying to get me to argue myself into a corner. I regret asking you anything in the first place. GL with your lynch, I hope the rope fits nicely. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 22 2011 08:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I know you haven't posted in like 2 game days, but if you look even just ONE page back you will see a giant analysis I just did. Except for the day 1 lul I had, I have posted actively since then. Please do not spread misinformation. thanks for the analysis, much will be clear once youre gone, town or mafia. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 22 2011 08:11 Mataza wrote: @Mr. Wiggles. 1. To my knowledge no pressure at all. I believe it´s an equally valid method to feign no interest as to keep everyone on a "need to know" basis. Pressuring for a role through another person is an arduous task and might be interpreted as fishing. By not fishing no one would have a reason to tell that to "Mason #2" They were just riding high on 3 bluesnipes in 2 days. Well, he could have just asked what you were hinting to Sandroba. You said San went to him because he thought your claim was suspicious. Of course, I don't know the exact nature of their relationship, but if he trusted RoL enough to run to him at the first sign of suspicious behaviour, to tell him you were blue, RoL probably could have pushed him for a bit more information on San without attracting too much suspicion. There is a lot of risk involved, in just shooting a "blue". With the only flips so far being detectives and medics, chances are you'd be shooting into a hatter or vet. I don't see scum wanting to take a gamble when they've had relatively smooth sailing, it just seems weird. How do you know how strong Sandrobas townread on RoL was? From Night 1: On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote: Medics: -RoL -Aidnai -Wiggles -Varpulis -BC On June 18 2011 05:57 sandroba wrote: @wiggles It's my read on RoL. Do you want me to argue why I think he's town? I don't see that being productive. He thought he was town enough to warrant medic protection, so he must have had a decently strong read. You don't ask for medic protection on people who aren't doing anything unless you have a pretty strong read. 2. Look for my blueslips. I dare you to find condemning ones. I am very different from the other blue snipes in behaviour. There´s still a chance for coincidence but it´s miniscule. See, if you would tell Xx that you find Yy suspicious, because Yy is claiming blue in a weird way to you and the following night Yy drops dead, woudln´t you doubt Xx too? Wouldn´t you find it at least curious and tell all your other masons? What you are proposing is about as likely as your own explanation in PTP, that you got framed and your target got busdriven to the on-death alignmentrevealer, all in one night. I´m not saying it´s impossible, but you should go buy a lottery ticket if it happens. I'm not sure why you're talking about Blue-slips. How do you know that mafia were shooting at you as a blue-snipe? How do we know that mafia have been trying to blue-snipe at all? It's all conjecture, as we don't know scum's motivations for their kills. We're just assuming, that since blues are coming up dead, that mafia must be blue-sniping. However, this isn't water-tight reasoning. I was masoned to aidai before he got modkilled, and on day 2 we talked a little about who we thought scum might be. One of the people we talked about, was Hiro. What I told aidnai, was that Hiro was either red, or a bad blue. After the events of the day, I was more convinced it was bad blue, that scum, so my vote landed on syllogism. It turned out I was right about Hiro. So, for example, if aidnai hadn't been modkilled, and hiro had shown up shot today, would I be more suspicious of aidnai? Not really. He knew that I thought hiro might be blue, but my read on him from his previous actions was that he was town. Maybe I'm just naive, but I'm not going to relate a death to something I said, unless it happens more than once, and even then, I'd try to back it up with some other kind of analysis. You also side-stepped the question of why Sandroba had to be killed. Sure, he might have been a bit more suspicious of RoL, but one person you've talked about dying doesn't make someone scum, like I've said. On a general note, and it's funny you bring it up, town is starting to act a lot like it did in PTP. It thinks it's caught scum, so it's just tunneling. There's no analysis yet, just this "trap", which I think isn't anything at all, and you guys are all convinced that RoL is scum, and are already at a point where you won't listen to anything anyone says. Town did this in PTP, and they got absolutely raped. There was confusion that entire game, and town didn't successfully finger a single mafia through analysis. They just caught the scent of blood in the water and went crazy, while mafia sat back and laughed. I'm actually surprised that a lot of the vets are letting this happen and are just sheeping along. Personally, I agree with RoL's analysis of YM, so that's where my vote's going for now. ##Vote: Youngminii | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 22 2011 08:17 Kenpachi wrote: thanks for the analysis, much will be clear once youre gone, town or mafia. the problem with this is if I die then tomorrow we are 7-5 mafia, however if I am right on youngminii, which I am then we will be 9-4 which is much better. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 22 2011 09:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: the problem with this is if I die then tomorrow we are 7-5 mafia, however if I am right on youngminii, which I am then we will be 9-4 which is much better. wtf i just noticed that .... ..... ...... ........ ......... | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 22 2011 09:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: the problem with this is if I die then tomorrow we are 7-5 mafia, however if I am right on youngminii, which I am then we will be 9-4 which is much better. the problem with his is if I die then tomorrow we are 7-5 mafia, however if EVERYONE is right on rol, which EVERYONE is then we will be 9-4 which is much better. | ||
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