EPTthere's quite a decent chance that they're all red
the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people
but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
there's quite a decent chance that they're all red the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
FudgeMunkey Since the beginning of day 2, I've had my eye on FudgeMunkey. He's been providing the bare minimum of content, avoiding doing anything he could be held accountable for, and lurking actively. 1. Content In the early game (N0) he was relatively active. Unfortunately, he was doing nothing but stating the obvious a lot. Some examples of his fluff posting are: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 16:00 FudgeMunkey wrote: Why are people masoning so quickly? I thought your supposed to make sure that the person you mason is actually trustworthy rather than just mason who ever has the most posts or the biggest... I mean who knows? You may be masoning Mafia straight away which is kinda a waste because they may not talk back to you... -_- On June 14 2011 17:06 FudgeMunkey wrote: + Show Spoiler + because I can analyze and rape everyone in this game via PM. Now do it or you are all mafia. In conclusion RoL hopes he can 'rape' everyone via Pms... + Show Spoiler + Wow, this started quicker than I expected. That's fine with me though Just to catch up with everything, Sandroba's plan has already been sufficiently debunked. If RoL is actually masoning with tons of people... good for him I guess? but as was pointed out with sandroba's plan, if RoL dies, all those people lose their mason connection, so... yeah, regardless, I'm not masoning with anyone AT LEAST until day, and even then, I'll probably save one of them for a few days when I have better reads on everyone. I'm really relieved to have a PM game again, haven't been too many recently. and yes if RoL dies you will lose your mason connection if you have chosen him so I advise that you wait at least another day or two before you mason anyone else... Stating obvious facts, and giving basic advice to appear helpful. Moving on to day 1, his activity goes away. He has a grand total of 1 post in day 1: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 15:59 FudgeMunkey wrote: Yes, I agree with 'youngminii'... It seems as if the 'scum' never seem to support a strategy and instead find ways to make it look like its incorrect/false or just plain stupid... They hope to make it look like the person there arguing with is obviously Scum rather than townie or Blue. fluff. Day 2, he posts some content (once) that is very safe and noncommittal, while night 2 he goes right back to fluff: + Show Spoiler + On June 20 2011 16:47 FudgeMunkey wrote: WOW! Three Townie dead... These two really shouldn't of been mod killed... Aidnai and Grassgiraffe although Grassgiraffe did a whole lot of nothing... So... guys what now? Even after being warned to step up his posting (my clause for removing my vote day 2) He's done absolutely nothing to improve. This leads me to believe that there's a deliberate reason for his lurking, and that reason paints him scum Oh, and did I mention that he has yet to post an opinion on anybody who has been or could have been lynched? Because he hasn't. 2. Not doing anything that he could be held accountable for FudgeMunkey has been playing it very safe this game. Every time he agrees with somebody it's a popular opinion, and his votes never end up on anybody who ends up being a lynch target, freeing him from responsibility or suspicion for bandwagoning a townie. agreeing with popular opinions + Show Spoiler + Day 1 On June 15 2011 15:59 FudgeMunkey wrote: Yes, I agree with 'youngminii'... It seems as if the 'scum' never seem to support a strategy and instead find ways to make it look like its incorrect/false or just plain stupid... They hope to make it look like the person there arguing with is obviously Scum rather than townie or Blue. Though it's tough to determine exactly what he's commenting on because his statement is so vague, I'm guessing that he's agreeing that sinani is suspicious for criticizing youngminii's analysis. Day 2 On June 18 2011 16:38 FudgeMunkey wrote: To DeMorcef I understand your anger with me for not reading through the whole thread before posting, I have been busy with School work and so forth and I didn't want to get mod killed. I have read through the pages I have missed out on and I am pritty sure I'm up to date with the rest of you. On another note, I agree with Youngminii and VisceraEyes, RoL hasn't been putting the most useful information into this thread and the posts he ends up posting end up with him taunting the town as Youngminii stated. + Show Spoiler + I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days. Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow. Just some advice. Obviously he'd rather do something else than be in this game and he is a Waste of Space... He is obviously taunting the town to see how long he will last and so far it seems to be working, NO ONE IS VOTING FOR HIM. Before I cast my vote into his/her basket I shall read more of the thread to make my decision final (just to make sure DeMorcef will be happy!)  Very cautiously agrees with the suspicion against ROL Votes + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 18:43 FudgeMunkey wrote: ##Vote sinani206 this was a stealth vote later on in the day, too. On June 19 2011 09:30 FudgeMunkey wrote: ##vote RebirthOfLeGenD bandwagoning Neither of those people have been actual possible lynches at the end of the day 3. Active lurking Despite not posting often or at all for long stretches, FudgeMunkey responds quickly to criticisms and accusations. On June 18 2011 13:03 FudgeMunkey wrote: To Varpulis Well I shall answer your questions. 1. I felt it was necessary to explain the mechanics of KP, because Kenpachi asked wether KP mean't KenPachi or KillPower. Yes you are right now one asked anyone to explain the mechanics of KP, but i thought it would be nice to get it out of the way for anyone who didn't quite know what it meant. 2/3. To be completely honest I voted for Sinani because I hadn't had time to read all the posts, so yes i was 'stealth voting'. I was however going to change my vote to Grassgiraffe because he has not contributed to the town at all. I agreed with Youngminii about voting for Sinani becuase he proved a point, Also i never actually voted for Ilovejohn... I took my vote off with the clause that he should put as much effOrt into explaining his thoughts and actions in the future. Also, "I was going to change to grassgiraffe" is weak. It's playing extra-safe by saying that he would have wanted to lynch the guy that almost got lynched, but didn't. On June 21 2011 14:51 FudgeMunkey wrote: To Varpulis I may be have been lurking for most of the game, but at least I'm reading through most the posts and at least half contributing! Unlike other lurkers who just watch, post something so they don't get mod killed and then go back into lurking mode... and this defense is even weaker. "sure, I've been lurking, but he's been lurking too, so it's ok." His quick defenses and returns to lurker mode make me conclude that FudgeMunkey is scum. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
mafia has been bluesniping really well this game, and taking care of blues as soon as they found them (example: chaos13) I find it hard to believe that both a blue and his mason were hit last night. Theory: ROL heard about Mataza being blue from sandroba, and decided to off both of them so that there'd be nobody to connect him to the hits. It would have worked if Mataza wasn't vet. In my mind, the theory fits. No shit ROL is going to say it's stupid though. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
Mataza's case is not shit. Enough of your god damn bullshit. Even though I thought you were town at first, I've had it with your pissy attitude and my vote is on you. The chance of those hits being carried out by someone other than you is so microscopic that you're as good as confirmed red at this point. @Varpulis & VisceraEyes Decent analyses. There is a fair chance that one or both of them are scum, but RoL is a safer lynch target. They might be good vig targets, but that talk can wait until night falls. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
I will be going through the thread after i get back from work tonight and start the writeup on a few players to give us some solid analysis on where our vigi's can work tonight rather than us have to wait till the last minute. ##vote RoL | ||
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
So right now I am left with two decisions. I can out of sheer spite just let you guys lynch me without contributing anything. The alternative is I give you the next lynch to work with and allow my death to not be in vain. I am going to try to be the bigger person here and choose route two. But first, I want to address my lynch and what I view as the only other explanation of this. The mafia stacked sandroba so that mataza could claim in thread and get me killed. The problem with this plan is that it is baller as fuck, and requires nuts of steal to do. Most mafia players aren't this reckless, despite what we would like to think. I don't even think I view this as the likely scenario, but nonetheless it is important to get out there. The other explanation is just luck, which statistically is a sub 1% chance assuming mataza is town and ignoring thread based priorities. So the only other thing I can do to try to prove my innocence is something I have always refused to do, which is post all my PM's. So that is out of the question. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
You've had 3 days to 'dominate' and use your PM network. It seems as if your recurring theme this game is "fuck you I'll dominate this game later". Anyway if you don't end up scum then mataza will obviously have some explaining to do. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
I'm switching my vote. Voting for anybody but RoL would be a mistake right now, but we still need to discuss other possible scum and future lynches. What does everybody think of FudgeMunkey, ~OpZ~, and LadenC? I feel confident that at least one of them is mafia. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
This isn´t ballsy, this is suboptimal. If scum would play this inefficient they wouldn´t win, because THEY ARE NOT KILLING ENOUGH PEOPLE. Do you know what *is* ballsy? You are: You get fossed early on, then don´t do anything. You wait a long period of time until someone says "He can´t be scum, scum will always pick alternate targets when they are on the block! Therefore he must be the greenest bro in town!" Pick an absolute horrifyingly bad lynch from the inactives. Take one no one ever had on their radar(Syllogism) before to look more genuine than sheeping an existing inactive lynch(Hiro Protagonist). Call the people on the less horrible lynch scummy by virtue of vote analysis(Vote analysis is horrible way to scumhunt). | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Bus like there is not tomorrow. I´ve seen it done in PTP, where Dropbear with one of his last posts only talked about how scummy his teammates were, while his teammate GMarshal bussed him. In my first game Palmar bussed Hiro without remorse. Everything RoL says shall be perceived as circular reverse wifom. It´s literally a coinflip if he busses his teammates, to make them look innocent after his flip or if he blames townspeople, so we confuse it with him bussing someone. It will be even less fruitful than vote pattern analysis.(Voting is a commitment, Fossing someone is free) | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
To be honest, even if I tried fighting this lynch I wouldn't win. Even being green as I am, I can't mount a defense except to say that is not true. I honestly don't even know when/where sandroba told me you were blue. I seem to remember one of my other PM contacts telling me that you or sandroba were bread crumbing blue, but that is about it. When I flip green, do not vigi Mataza, I don't think the scenario I brought up earlier is likely, I just thought it was worth mentioning. When I die and flip green pretty much everyone in this thread is going to be surprised and I can't even blame them. I could ask for a DT check but there probably aren't any DT's left in the game, on top of which most people will assume I am the godfather anyway. To be honest, if I wanted to meta that I could. In previous games I generally refuse to be the godfather and decide who on my team will be it. Usually I will pick who I deem the second best player on my team as GF, since I can cover my tracks and argue well enough to where I don't need godfather protection and it would fuck with the town to think "If RoL wasn't the GF then who was?" So lastly, the only thing I am going to do which could be determined as a defense is do analysis. I am going to show you how youngminii is the most obvious scum target for either a vig hit or a lynch, and if you decide to kill him instead of me that's wonderful, and if you choose to lynch me instead then at least I leave you with an assured red for the next cycle. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Youngminii is guilty of all of the above. Day 1 he started the wagon on ILJ with shitty reasoning and later claimed it was to apply pressure, and that he didn't think ILJ was scummy, which is complete bullshit. Read his relentless assault against ILJ, a helpless townie who got hit by a train. He goes PBP then when ILJ starts trying to counter it he continues to bash him relentlessly. ILJ not being skilled enough to defend himself gets freighted. It's not entirely ILJ's fault though, day 1 is hard to defend yourself, especially for newer players. Day 2 he half ass pushes me, and as soon as I post back he claims its just to pressure me to start posting. Smart by him, since it took him off my radar temporarily, and because arguing with me would of been stupid to do. At that point the wagons on syllogism and hiro are already building, and youngminii goes AFK and lets us fuck up on our own. The thread inactivity had me feeling weird, but unluckily for me most of my scum suspects were on hiro, so I pushed through with the syllogism lynch thinking that was enough. But look at this from a mafia perspective. None of your members are under fire and the town is on its way to a bad lynch and utter confusion the next day? what are you to do as scum? Sit back and let them fuck themselves. Which is exactly what he did. Maybe he was busy with dreamhack LRing, but honestly he is still on TL.Net and you are telling me you were WAY too busy to even look at the mafia thread? Even between games? Bullshit. Day 3, he knows my lynch is a crapshoot and acts coy at first, then jumps on my bandwagon. But seriously, don't take my overview of this entire scenario for fact, I am going to go a step further and give you an analysis of youngminii, even if you bastards are going to kill me anyway. Day 1 On June 15 2011 14:33 youngminii wrote: aidnai I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting junk (as awesome as it may be) into this thread. This is not a public discussion thread for you to live report Ver's games. My first suspect for this game will be ilovejonn. He has 7 posts since game start, all of which are blanket posts that have no real content. Here are several of his posts: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 11:54 ilovejonn wrote: I don't know... I think that requires a few (and by a few I mean a whole lot) more posts. Fluff On June 14 2011 12:15 ilovejonn wrote: @Varpulis I think I'll have to disagree with point number 2. I'd suggest waiting it out so that most people have posted and use their checks on who they think would be scum based on the posts made during night 0. I mean the whole point of this game IS to find scum, unless of course you find the posting behaviour of a "strong player" a bit suspicious, then yea go ahead and use your check on them. If not I heed people to wait until near the end of the night cycle to submit your actions. (unless of course you won't be there on time) Note the uncertainty in this post: "I think", "I'd suggest", "unless of course", "If not", "unless of course (again)". This is quite scummy behaviour, to me it looks like he's just trying to reassure everyone that you don't HAVE to follow his rules if you don't want to because he doesn't want to seem suspicious in any way whatsoever. Which a townie wouldn't do. Hell, not even a blue would do that. On June 14 2011 12:56 ilovejonn wrote: no This is in response to Sandroba's plan. While this is a lot more forward and not as uncertain as the previous post, he's still not contributing any content with this. If you look at this post as if ilovejonn was town, why would he bother making it? If you look at his mafia play (see below) this post kind of stands out pretty clearly. On June 14 2011 13:37 ilovejonn wrote: I'd also like to suggest that people on this list, if you're on towns side of course, to start posting, because you know, getting killed Night 0 sucks. Again with the "I'd also like to suggest". He also doesn't actually post anything, he just quoted the almighty Zodiac list and said "guys you should post" which is the entire point of the list in the first place. On June 14 2011 13:59 ilovejonn wrote: I think we need to move on. The plan is bad, no one should do what sandroba suggested, now we can all stop posting about it. "I think". Obvously the plan is bad, everyone is moving on, you want everyone to stop posting about it yet you're posting about it. There's nothing here, the plan's been heralded as terrible by most of the players. On June 15 2011 11:12 ilovejonn wrote: People who did not post N0: 10. sinani206 17. grassgiraffe 23. LandenC 24. Jacinto Putting 26. Lazorbear in as well for 1 very short post. What's the incentive for a townie posting this? Weeding out inactives. Has there been talk of an inactive lynch? No. Then why would you post this? To me this looks like ilovejonn is trying to quietly push for an (easy) inactive lynch by posting all the inactives. Notice that he doesn't just outright say "hey these guys are inactive, let's lynch one if he continues to lurk", he doesn't even accuse them of lurking. He literally only puts the list up and lets us make of it as we want. Which can only be one thing, an inactive lynch. This is so pure scum play. Content that's not real content, an agenda that's not explicitly stated and this goes well with his contentless posts that he made Night 0. He avoids the list by having posted pointless dribble. Now you might say "but youngminii, maybe he's just a bad town, you're being too harsh on him". Thankfully I went and looked at his game histories. I have two that I will share with you, one where he's a townie and one where he's scum. I'll only limit showing you the very early game posting habits of ilovejonn. + Show Spoiler [ilovejonn's town play] + Okay, for his town play I'll be referring to Mafia XXVIII. What I want you to see is how his posts are either (or a mixture of) helpful, loaded with content, fearless and very accusing. Here's a few of his first posts: On April 09 2011 08:12 ilovejonn wrote: All the newbs read this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 please On April 11 2011 00:11 ilovejonn wrote: If I appear to be inactive, that's because I am really sick atm. I've read 10+ pages and right now GMarshal and Protactinium are top of my list for mayor. However as there is no voting thread yet for whatever reason :S, I'm going to stay in bed and rest until the thread is up and my voting is required. I also like Protact's posts a lot more than GM. Yes, GM is easy to read, but I agree with Protact that he isn't superbly great at analysis. Protact's each and every post was filled with so much content, meeting quality over quantity in my eyes, and gets to the point without beating around the bush. As a town leader (yes, I know his win-condition is not town) and an analyst, I would much more likely be in favor of Protact. I believe even by having him alive in the early game while he still feels like siding with town, he can create a much ideal environment for the town. At least his posts motivate me to play and post better. Also, sure if you think me being sick is an excuse, but I just wanted to get this out there in the case I really cannot post due to illness. I'm already trying my best to keep up with this thread by at least posting Day 1. On April 12 2011 04:02 ilovejonn wrote: ##Vote ilovejonn Placeholder until I get back from work and read everything tonight. He's not even afraid to vote himself as a placeholder. That's how fearless he is as a townie, he doesn't give a second thought to "oh what if people think I'm abstaining my vote until later so I can voteswitch more easily". No, he just does it, because he has no reason to be scared. You are only scared if you are guilty. On April 12 2011 12:14 ilovejonn wrote: If my counting is correct, Dr. H is leading the mayor position with 13 votes and Pardoner landing onto GM with 12 votes. (By the time I am typing this up) There are people who have yet to vote, but with this many new players in the game I'm expecting 1 or 2 modkills. Somehow because GM attracts new players to vote for him it is very unusual and scummy. What I find more scummy is the fact that there are a ton of switch votes towards Dr. H that is making him lead in votes. Like Kavdragon said, Dr. H has said that he would not run for mayor, BUT because he doesn't trust anyone else as mayor other than himself (because that would avoid mafia influence) he ran for mayor. His whole mayor platform is just, "I'm willing to listen to town discussion but if I decide that the town decision doesn't sound right to me, I will lynch whoever I feel is scum. (Even when the majority of the town says the lynch target is not scum) Also, don't blame me if I lynched town because everyone makes mistakes." Yet, he is getting votes purely because of people having a town read on him. I want a townie as Mayor too, but definitely not Dr.H. Having said all this, I'm not saying that Dr. H is scum, I just do not feel comfortable with him being Mayor, especially with all the vote switches onto him. I'm inclined to believe there's at least 1 scum on the list of people that voted for him. These are a few people who decided to switch to him (not complete list of who voted for Dr. H) 13.kevconsim - GM > DocH 16.tnkted - tnkted > DocH > GM (changed vote while I was typing this) 18.urashimakt - Prot > DocH 27.DoctorHelvetica - GM > DocH (lol) 28.darmousseh - GM > DocH 33.redFF - Prot > DocH This list serves no purpose other than for me to keep track of who voted for what, but I decided to share it for those of you who do not do these types of record-keeping. My unwillingness to vote for Dr. H is based on the fact that there are many vote switches for him, as well as the general feelings I get from reading his posts. What I wanted was for GM to be Mayor and Protactinium as Pardoner. I'm not saying the Pardoner is not an important role. I have read about why having scum in this role is not beneficial as it gives reds a free no lynch cycle, but I am still willing to take the risk and offer Prot the position as I feel his abilities and skill can be very beneficial to town, even if he decides to turn against us during the late game. Think about it this way, we have him in the position, he uses his KP and DT checks depending on our decision or we lynch him. Except for his last one to complete his win condition of course. We don't have him in a position and he is forced to use his own judgement and KP that will most likely hit 1 or 2 townies (due to blacks are better off playing townie-like than-scum like). In conclusion, I will place my vote on Protactinium in hopes that he can get the Pardoner position. But the chances are probably very slim because there's less than an hour til Day ends. Just look at how much content this post has! This is great, this is analysis, this is deciding what to do and making a detailed post about what he feels and what he's going to do. All of those quotes were back to back, there was no mindless dribble between them, he didn't spam up the thread with one word posts, he made great posts that were of use to town. This is wildly different to how he's been playing this game. + Show Spoiler [ilovejonn's mafia play] + For his scum play I'll be referring to Mafia XXIX. Again, only the earlier posts (after the day post) as this is what pertains to the current context. On May 04 2011 12:36 ilovejonn wrote: blue font scared me there.... damn you. On May 04 2011 12:59 ilovejonn wrote: Apparently redtooth thinks Irish slipped cause he thought he knows 3-4 ppl playing in this game as ppl on his scum team. Just a misunderstood post imo. On May 04 2011 13:13 ilovejonn wrote: Yes guys.. don't edit. ever. Ahh, there's the ilovejonn we all recognise, all these posts are back to back, starting with his first post after the day post. Absolutely nothing, no content, ONE post faking content. I see a connection. On May 05 2011 04:26 ilovejonn wrote: Just finished reading the thread. I read really slow as I'm often thinking about other stuff when I read. First I'll give my opinion on the Irish13 discussion even though it has dropped. I like what redtooth did do get responses out of people but as he said himself, it became a null tell when almost everyone defended Irish. The post redtooth used to invoke responses from was a post that could have been misinterpreted by people and from seeing people defend Irish, it leads me to believe Irish isn't scum. I've only played 4-5 games on TL mafia, but I'd like to ask what does RSV/RQV stand for? Secondly, my gut feelings tell me that redtooth and chaoser are not scum based on their posts. They are actually quality posts, and even if they are scum, at least what they are posting benefits town for now. It is better to heed the advices in their posts than to bash them for it (for now). I don't want another Kavdragon incident in here again where we lynch someone because they are "too pro-town". Pretty silly. Last but not least, FOS Kurumi and Airblade. Kurumi for his posting behaviour. Why are you posting like that? Maybe English isn't your first language but what about the post with numbers? Are you trying to breadcrumb something? I'm just not understanding your posts. Airblade for saying "At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore." That is extremely anti-town. Of course you would want to lynch someone who isn't scum, because then you'd waste a day AND lynched a townie, am I right? Wishy washy. No REAL fos, just a few uncertain questions asked. Also he posts this after other people have already basically raised the same issues. I'm aware ilovejonn hasn't made any posts like this in the current game but I point this out because it is textbook scum play and he's displaying the usual uncertainty and "oh no I'm guilty how do I cover it up as best I can?". On May 05 2011 04:34 ilovejonn wrote: I don't think you should kid about lynches. Our votes are very valuable and it's basically our only way of killing scum. "I don't think", note how he doesn't say this in his town play. On May 05 2011 07:03 ilovejonn wrote: I think this is true. I don't know why he would ask questions such as what was your mafia experience. Sure it generates discussion but is any of that really relevant to scum hunting? Unless this is another one of his plans to draw out responses.. Speaks for itself, not real content, similar to posts in current game. I'm going to end this here. Even though there are more posts I can quote, they're mostly of the same dribble and will only repeat what I've been trying to point out. You can check it out yourself. Verdict? I'm voting for ilovejonn, he's the best lynch candidate (and the first of the game I guess) I can see. I am well aware I'm under scrutiny because of that Zodiac list crap and that if I am wrong about this, I might just be creating an easy bandwagon for mafia to jump on. That said, if you are a townie make sure you don't just jump on the bandwagon until you've read the analysis and read his responses. I eagerly await your response, ilovejonn. This is where he starts his band wagon on ILJ. As pointed out later, a lot of this is stretched, and to be honest this is a fine thing to do just to get ILJ to start posting. But he goes further then that. On June 15 2011 15:04 youngminii wrote: Interesting post. I'm not really stretching a lot of points, your posts literally fall into my big box of scum. I am not meta-reading you, I am using meta to support my argument, there's a difference. Also, I'd have to ask, why would you play differently if you won both games, alive and well? That's easy, you're not. You can't just decide to switch off who you are. How did I take those words out of context? The context is you saying those things in this game and in the game you were mafia. A townie doesn't say these things, a townie says what's on his mind without hindrance. You don't want to waste time defending yourself, but you're not finding scum either. You've been decently active and haven't made a single post with content in it. This is a contradiction. Your response has been pretty poor so far, did you even read the part where I showed your scum play and your town play? You kind of just ignored it and said "I might be playing different because I want to", which isn't really a defense. There's no real discussion other than this so unless you're actually going to go find some scum, why don't you spend some time defending yourself? There's nothing else to do so far, why are you avoiding the pressure? There was pages of this bullshit, him going back and forth with ILJ just reiterating his shitty points and twisting ILJ's words. From ILJ's defense posts its pretty clear he was townie, he wasn't responding in a passive aggressive way and the wagon on him built too easily. But seriously, why is youngminii tunneling so hard here? It was off an analysis he later admits was just for pressure and wasn't even good. On June 17 2011 07:39 youngminii wrote: Yeah I kind of think ilj just tried to redirect focus onto the lurkers even though he said he'd scumhunt + he's lurking too. I kinda disagree with the grassgiraffe vote and I completely disagree with the hiro protagonist vote. Half the lynch is meant for you to pressure the guy and then judge his reaction, it's a little late for that. Switching vote to ilj. So let me get this straight. The goal of you relentlessly attacking ILJ was to just judge his reaction? Then why didn't you focus on other people after he gave more than adequate responses to your shitty analysis? Well hey, maybe we can say the pressure revealed to you he must of been mafia! On June 17 2011 08:25 youngminii wrote: nono it's essentially ilj vs grassgiraffe the likelihood of either of them being mafia is actually quite low, but yeah even if one of them was scum you could just vote for the other to 'hide' your vote, no need to shift your vote to someone completely random ...but then we have this! So you are pretty sure that neither of them are mafia? Cool, then why did you push ILJ so hard? Simple, because right now you are trying to avoid town backlash for tunneling a townie for half the day cycle until a sufficient band wagon had formed. Day 2 On June 18 2011 15:34 youngminii wrote: Everyone, do me a favour. Click that "All" button at the page numbers, type ctrl+F and look up rebirthoflegend. How the fuck is that not scummy. Here are some golden quotes. NOTE: He came up with the 'plan' to mass mason him. I have actually mason'd him and he's literally done NOTHING about it. We've sent each other 3 PMs basically saying 'sup'. Why the fuck would you make half the town mason you when you're literally not going to do a single thing about it? FOR WHAT? That's bullshit, it's the exact same reason as sandroba and you managed to word it differently. WHY WOULD YOU SOFT CLAIM MAD HATTER? ON THE FIRST NIGHT? Nah this is just scum pretending to leave bread crumbs. What the fuck nonsense is this. The only track record necessary in my eyes is this game. It scream out "HAS DONE NOTHING" Seriously? You get half the town to mason you then you make excuses about how you've been inactive? Nonononononono. "but youngminii you have the let him fly! just wait for him to spread his wings and soar gracefully over the shitfest that TL Mafiaa XLII has become!" This is not flying, this is madness. WHAT REASONING ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?????????????????????? ??????????????????? ?????????????????? You said this in the day. I don't even know why'd you say this, it's just stupid. He just used past experiences to gain cred even though he's done literally jackall for this game. I did this once too (it was Mafia XXX that was analysed by Ver, just in case you're curious). This is a big factor in the reason why I personally believe he's mafia, but I know most of you won't accept this as a point in my argument. Why are you playing this game. He makes half of town claim to him, does nothing, pulls this shit?? He's giving excuses for being inactive later. ALERT ALERT THIS IS SCUMMY. This just looks like he's taunting town to see how far he can get away with it. I'm sure it is too. Him being mafia can also explain his whole "DTs don't check anyone in the Zodiac list (including me)!!!" What do you have to say RoL? Because at this point you look FAR scummier than Kenpachi or even Hiro is. One of the first posts of day 2, you pressure me hard then claim it was a lawljoke to get me to post. This is seriously a condemning post when contrasted with his response to Mataza's accusation of me on D3. Just so no one misses the point, I am going to travel to the future for a moemnt. On June 22 2011 00:50 youngminii wrote: stop being silly lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post obvious lynches So lynching me and opz is a crapshoot huh? You did an analysis of me not even a day ago to "pressure" me, but now there is a seriously good case against me and you respond that its a crapshoot? This is mafia knowing we are heading into a shit direction and trying to be the one voice of reason in this mess, except anyone with any sense of reasoning would lynch me off of mataza's post. So far Mr. youngminii has showcased quite a bit of bipolarity. One minute hes pushing the shit out of ILJ, the next he is saying how much of a shitfest the lynch was. The next day I am scum suspect #1, and the following day when someone else is pressuring me, all of a sudden I am a crapshoot? Bullshit. When I die you are coming with me. On June 20 2011 04:38 youngminii wrote: There's no need to explicitly state "these 3 people", it'll become a battle between them anyway. I know I posted a bunch of stuff on RoL but I never actually voted for him because it was just pressure, which seems to have made its point ^^ I'm voting for Hiro because, what can I say, he just seems really scummy to me. He's been accused by two people with separate analyses (which have made perfect sense by the way, I don't know why I didn't pay more attention to them earlier) and lol at his responses He just keeps going around being scum. I COULD give examples, but aidnai and sinani already have. My mind is undecided about Syllogism by the way. This is you hiding behind other peoples analysis on a lynch in which you are letting the town fuck itself up. You know my push on syllogism is going bad places, and you know the hiro lynch is going bad places? What to do as mafia? Post agreeing with someone, get your vote in, go afk and let the town fuck itself. Which is exactly what you did. On June 20 2011 16:43 youngminii wrote: The vote on Syllogism was an unfortunate case of tunneling by RoL (or maybe he's mafia OHNOES) and bandwagoning. If I were DT I would check RoL. If I were Vig I'd hit hiro. That is all. This is a classic scumtell the "Oh what bad luck for us!" bullshit. Thanks for accusing me of tunneling guy who pushed ILJ relentlessly Day 1. Proceeds to go AFK for rest of the night cycle. On June 21 2011 11:34 youngminii wrote: mm i'm betting my money on another explanation rol and node were going head to head quite a bit i know they could be doing the shift but the simpler explanation is usually the right one, and for now we should take that into consideration I don' recall ever arguing with node, especially since I barely posted except making fun of kenpachi in Day 1, and node was playing from a cell phone. Now the obvious explanation for this post is that you are distancing yourself from a lynch you know is going to be bad, even if the face of a solid and good case against me. On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote: This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? this is just funny, trying to not appear scum while asking if BC's PM circle is secure? Well it probably is unless he invites you into it rofl. On June 22 2011 00:50 youngminii wrote: stop being silly lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post obvious lynches hey I completely agree with this post, but only because I know I am town, and I am pretty sure opz is also town. Once again staring in the face of a good argument, youngminii knowing I am not scum decides to try to build town credit by expressing his concerns. On June 22 2011 01:55 youngminii wrote: yeah okay there's quite a decent chance that they're all red the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy Wow, wasn't it hard to sway you here? (Read: It wasn't) and I have 2 masons alive at the moment, and saying my lynch was a crapshoot doesn't equate to you worrying about my mason count. BUT GUYS, IF WE FUCK THIS UP YOUNGMINII WONT BE HAPPY? Hint: He knows it's a fuckjob. On June 22 2011 04:03 youngminii wrote: You gave us an alternative lynch yesterday. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us. You've had 3 days to 'dominate' and use your PM network. It seems as if your recurring theme this game is "fuck you I'll dominate this game later". Anyway if you don't end up scum then mataza will obviously have some explaining to do. Hey mataza, he's already trying to set you up for tomorrow's lynch, he knows this train is going south, and he wants to make sure everyone knows you were in the conductors seat as this train went off a cliff. In 3 posts, mere hours apart his conviction on me as gone from "THIS IS A CRAPSHOOT" to "FUCK ROL, but srsly, if hes town kill Mataza" Conclusion I would like it if you guys would lynch youngminii instead of me, but I figure that isn't going to happen. The case is VERY strong against youngminii. I would also like to stress this next point. When I flip green, do NOT kill Mataza, kill youngminii. So far on Day 3 all youngminii has done was set him up to be the one guy who stood against my lynch. So do what you guys want to do, like I said earlier, I will go silently to my death. If you think this analysis makes enough sense I would encourage you to vote youngminii in my place, then hell have me vigi'd tonight if you want. I really don't care. Anyway, I am heading to the gym for now, I will drop my vote on youngminii and whoever wants to follow suite feel free. But I stress that you must NOT hold Mataza accountable for my lynch, and instead look at youngminii. Youngminii's posting actually makes me even less suspicious of Mataza because he is clearly trying to set mataza up for tomorrows lynch. I imagine I can't have much more to say. Maybe when I get home I will try to do some more analysis, but for now this is all I have. GL ##Vote youngminii | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Is there any way your 'mafia tutorial' would NOT apply DIRECTLY to ~OpZ~ as well, if not more accurately than it applies to YM? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
RoL wrote just above this post: To be honest, if I wanted to meta that I could. In previous games I generally refuse to be the godfather and decide who on my team will be it. Usually I will pick who I deem the second best player on my team as GF, since I can cover my tracks and argue well enough to where I don't need godfather protection and it would fuck with the town to think "If RoL wasn't the GF then who was?" Look it´s circular, uncalled for since he is supposed to flip green and it tells us he is not godfather. He wants us to be extra doubtful until the godfather is found. Flip a coin to determine what this tells us. Hint: It´s only here to make us mistrust each other For good measure, let´s tie up some loose ends I unearthed my own post(yes, I like my own posts  )The day after Mig, the cop, died: A though crossed my mind: When RoL claimed his cop check came in, he talked about a cop that is in his mason circle. I think this could be a scenario: Mig had guilty check on Kenpachi. After some back and forth with RoL he decides to trust him anyway and make RoL claim it in the thread(RoL is supposedly a hive mind thing, being the target of a lot of masonings) But RoL is scum and had to claim exactly as Mig said to not alarm him. Then scum proceed to kill Mig. tl;dr Kenpachi was checked by Mig, Mig told RoL. RoL is forced to bus Ken and does bus him in the weakest way he can, so people don´t take it seriously. Then Mig is killed. Sound familiar? Something is told via PM then everyone involved dies mysteriously. That´s right, they did it again last night, with me and Sandroba.+ Show Spoiler + <Mr. Mysterio> Kenpachi WOULD have made a great n0 check. <Mataza> exactly< <Mr. Mysterio> He's INFAMOUS for being insane in his posting. <Mr. Mysterio> My money is on Miller if that's true...he's been posting like insane-town...not insane-scum. <Mataza> if he was miller, would RoL pass this chance? <Mataza> to gain ezpz towncred <Mataza> it´s like towncred on a silver platter <Mr. Mysterio> Pass chance to what? Call out for DT check on Kenpachi? <Mataza> he could claim he is dt himself or he knows one who checked kenpachi <Mr. Mysterio> He already did <Mr. Mysterio> lol <Mataza> he even could say it was mig and that mig got shot because he dropped bluetells <Mataza> or because of "the mysterious other mason he had" <Mataza> and then he would be townhero Simply, I don´t buy that RoL just claimed a copcheck out of boredom(boredom being his excuse for every single thing he did). Also mig had night 0 to get one check, yet he didn´t breadcrumb anything(Sandroba was miller, so that message doesn´t count) It´s not waterproof but I do think Kenpachi being scum is possible. Discuss | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 22 2011 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote: @RoL Is there any way your 'mafia tutorial' would NOT apply DIRECTLY to ~OpZ~ as well, if not more accurately than it applies to YM? his mafia tutorial is 100% incorrect don't listen | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
1. Ignore him until he flips green 2. If he flips green, begin rereading. + Show Spoiler + If you are green, I appreciate your efforts. But I don´t think you are. You revoked all your defences that let you be town. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 22 2011 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote: @RoL Is there any way your 'mafia tutorial' would NOT apply DIRECTLY to ~OpZ~ as well, if not more accurately than it applies to YM? Explain how it would apply to opz? I didn't see opz really push anyone early on, and I don't remember exactly what it was but something about opz struck me as very pro town. | ||
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