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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 21 2011 02:31 GMT
#861
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 21 2011 02:34 GMT
#862
On June 21 2011 11:11 Mataza wrote:
Bam!
I love it when a plan comes together.

Veteran here, I have taken a hit. I don´t know how exactly the death math turns out but I´m hit regardless.
FoS RoL, since Sandroba told RoL via PM I´m blue.
Coincidently Sandroba mysteriously died tonight. Removing the witnesses too, are we?

mm i'm betting my money on another explanation
rol and node were going head to head quite a bit
i know they could be doing the shift but the simpler explanation is usually the right one, and for now we should take that into consideration
lalala
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
June 21 2011 02:34 GMT
#863
On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.


That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
June 21 2011 02:34 GMT
#864
On June 21 2011 11:30 Mataza wrote:
Alright, no I didn´t send someone else.
Nobody else claimed hit so far, that´s all I have in my favor.

I claimed veteran to my other contact earlier, just without the Sandroba telling RoL part, if that helps.

Well your other contact is probably town. Mafia would not of hit you if they knew you were veteran. What did sandroba tell RoL you were?

Who came up with the idea to let it slip you were blue to RoL? Was RoL and Sandroba + other contact that is 99% green the only people that knew you were blue, and knew about this plan to trap RoL?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
June 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#865
A little update for the vote list, with confirmed.
Day 1
Votes for ilovejonn (7): Mataza, syllogism, Shraft, DeMorcerf, aidnai, youngminii, hiro protagonist,

Votes for sinani206 (3): Mig, FudgeMunkey, grassgiraffe

Votes for Kenpachi (2): RebirthOfLeGenD, sinani206

Votes for Impervious (1): GGQ

Votes for grassgiraffe (5): BloodyC0bbler, LandenC, Jacinto, Node, Mr. Wiggles

Votes for hiro protagonist (6): sandroba, Varpulis, VisceraEyes, Kenpachi, ilovejonn, ~OpZ~,

Votes for syllogism (1): Scamp

Votes for Mr. Wiggles (1): Impervious

Day 2
Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node,

Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler

Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism

Votes for Node (1): sinani206

I just can't get my eyes off youngmini and shraft. Maybe Demorcerf. I gotta go through posts, but you aint been as vocal since the ILJ instance YM...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#866
sorry i watched all of dreamhack
which is why my post count randomly soared (LR threads) and i haven't been posting here as much
it finished though so i've got my full attention here
lalala
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 21 2011 02:40 GMT
#867
On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.


That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.


I can explain:
In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
June 21 2011 02:41 GMT
#868
On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.


That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.


I can explain:
In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after.



Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 21 2011 02:42 GMT
#869
On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.


That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.


I can explain:
In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after.



Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us.

This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle?
lalala
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
June 21 2011 02:44 GMT
#870
On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.


That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.


I can explain:
In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after.



Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us.

This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle?


I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 21 2011 02:45 GMT
#871
On June 21 2011 11:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:30 Mataza wrote:
Alright, no I didn´t send someone else.
Nobody else claimed hit so far, that´s all I have in my favor.

I claimed veteran to my other contact earlier, just without the Sandroba telling RoL part, if that helps.

Well your other contact is probably town. Mafia would not of hit you if they knew you were veteran. What did sandroba tell RoL you were?

Who came up with the idea to let it slip you were blue to RoL? Was RoL and Sandroba + other contact that is 99% green the only people that knew you were blue, and knew about this plan to trap RoL?


To explain in full:

I have another contact who knew I am blue night 0 and who I told I am actually Vet day 1.
This person (hopefully) knows I contacted Sandroba. I am pretty sure I informed him.

I proceeded to randomly ask Sandroba a couple of meaningfull questions, which he thought was suspicious, so he told RoL.
After I explained to him in a way that made sense, he realised it was probably a mistake to tell RoL right away. We proceeded to call it a plan from then on.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
June 21 2011 02:49 GMT
#872
On June 21 2011 11:45 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:30 Mataza wrote:
Alright, no I didn´t send someone else.
Nobody else claimed hit so far, that´s all I have in my favor.

I claimed veteran to my other contact earlier, just without the Sandroba telling RoL part, if that helps.

Well your other contact is probably town. Mafia would not of hit you if they knew you were veteran. What did sandroba tell RoL you were?

Who came up with the idea to let it slip you were blue to RoL? Was RoL and Sandroba + other contact that is 99% green the only people that knew you were blue, and knew about this plan to trap RoL?


To explain in full:

I have another contact who knew I am blue night 0 and who I told I am actually Vet day 1.
This person (hopefully) knows I contacted Sandroba. I am pretty sure I informed him.

I proceeded to randomly ask Sandroba a couple of meaningfull questions, which he thought was suspicious, so he told RoL.
After I explained to him in a way that made sense, he realised it was probably a mistake to tell RoL right away. We proceeded to call it a plan from then on.

PM's....you can post them good sir.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 21 2011 02:50 GMT
#873
On June 21 2011 11:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.


That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.


I can explain:
In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after.



Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us.

This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle?


I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1.

Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too.
lalala
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
June 21 2011 02:52 GMT
#874
On June 21 2011 11:50 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.


That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.


I can explain:
In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after.



Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us.

This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle?


I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1.

Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too.



Mine has posted.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 21 2011 02:58 GMT
#875
woot! Good luck town ^__^
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 21 2011 03:03 GMT
#876
Incognito has such cute posts =)
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 21 2011 03:09 GMT
#877
I actually don't remember him claiming you were blue.
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 21 2011 03:15 GMT
#878
For Opz(Don´t know why you want it, but hey):
First question and answer + Show Spoiler +
Original Message From sandroba:
Show nested quote +
Original Message From Mataza:
I apologize for not commenting on last night, but I was kinda drunk(friday after all).
If you have anything you want a second opinion, just ask.

What´s your opinion on Demorcerf?
I know someone who has an "insecure newbie town" read on him and right now I only remember that you agreed with the few things I put in my halfassed analysis.

I want to know your own reasons to suspect him.


The main reason is because he responded to your weak acusation too quickly and he's been mia since the heat is off of him. That can be said about many players though. Sinani is another that comes to mind, as soon as he was no longer a suspect he completely dissapeared.

This town is very inactive and it's really easy for mafia to hide amongst the lurkers.


Little conversation into Skype exchange:
+ Show Spoiler +
Yes I do
*redacted*
Original Message From sandroba:
Do you have skype? My irc is acting up.

Show nested quote +
Original Message From Mataza:
I have, but.....
Well, he can only read it if he´s on TL, in which case he probably doesn´t need a PM reminding him. If he isn´t on TL, my PM will never reach him.
For best results someone who knows his Skype, AIM or something else should remind him.

It´s not like he is active on other parts of TL

Original Message From sandroba:
Hey, do you have any masons left? Someone needs to poke node into posting, it looks like he will be modkilled.

Original Message From Mataza:
I apologize for not commenting on last night, but I was kinda drunk(friday after all).
If you have anything you want a second opinion, just ask.

What´s your opinion on Demorcerf?
I know someone who has an "insecure newbie town" read on him and right now I only remember that you agreed with the few things I put in my halfassed analysis.

I want to know your own reasons to suspect him.


I could give you my skype history, but it´s a mess.
We had small talk and honestly, a bit of it should stay secret in case it becomes valuable info later on.
Turns out RoL had a little document with notes he gave Sandroba, which I of course can´t prove now. I give you my word that it happened, nothing more.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
June 21 2011 03:24 GMT
#879
I want the part where the blue slip is mataza...where you mention this, where this is discussed...I'm confused. how the plan came together. where you mentioned with him the part about BC for the next night....that's all I want.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 21 2011 03:33 GMT
#880
As per your request:+ Show Spoiler +

[19.06.2011 20:57:37] Sandro : If you dont get shot tonight how do you feel about doing the same with bc
[19.06.2011 20:57:43] Sandro : assuming I'm alive till then
[19.06.2011 20:57:52] Mataza: sending him a heart?
[19.06.2011 20:57:57] Sandro : lol
[19.06.2011 20:57:59] Mataza: or telling him im a blue role
[19.06.2011 20:58:08] Sandro : not telling
[19.06.2011 20:58:12] Sandro : just crumbing
[19.06.2011 20:58:22] Mataza: hinting breadcrumbing ya
[19.06.2011 20:58:32] Sandro : like, that mataza fellow is kinda suspicious
[19.06.2011 20:58:43] Sandro : he contacted me day1 to fish about my plan
[19.06.2011 20:58:49] Sandro : and just leave it at that
[19.06.2011 20:59:18] Sandro : if he's mafia he's gonna auto assume you are blue
[19.06.2011 20:59:44] Sandro : like vig/dt/medic
[19.06.2011 20:59:48] Mataza: I don´t think it works well if you do it intentionally
[19.06.2011 21:00:24] Mataza: you can, but contacting him only to tell him nothing and breadcrumb I´m blue is kinda weird


The part about him telling RoL right away was in IRC, and I have no proof for that whatsoever.
It was spontaneous by him as I asked him a cryptic question. After the explanation he thought it was bad, after I told him I´m Veteran he was happy he did it.

If you want to discuss it indepth mason me or something.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
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