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On June 05 2011 18:33 Kurumi wrote: Scum will unvote after someone called it out to remain 'unsuspicious". Also why the heck Town would lynch person generating discussion and bringing scummy suspects? Scum would like to lynch me,but they can just kill me at night. I find this hilarious because you got lynched day 1 in the last mafia for being really talkative early on. So either you didn't learn your lesson or you aren't a townie this time. I'm leaning toward the former. Judging solely on my post-hoc analysis of XXXIX in preparation for my first mafia game, in the first cycle, if you give a spot on analysis and make good accusations, mafia will kill you ASAP (chaoser). If you blab a ton, you get lynched (kurumi). After that inactivity gets modkilled or lynched, Confirmed townies become the targets to get mafia killed. It's kind of weird, but the townies who ended up lasting the longest actually had some degree of suspicion on them. I was also surprised by how proactive mafia are about trying to shed suspicion on others early on in the game. In other words, I think this is a totally wrong or misleading statement: On June 05 2011 15:40 Treadmill wrote: I suspect that most of the mafia are gonna be trying to lay low, post only "check-in" posts and whatnot. So keep your eyes peeled for that sort of thing - although, early on, that kinda posting might just mean its midnight and people want to go to bed (so gtsrs and 35spike1 are off the hook for now). Also given how quick people are to lynch the first signs of suspicion, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of townies especially newer players would try to lay low and get a feel for how the game would play out (that was my plan going in at least). Unless something interesting comes up I'll probably vote for one of the following: freeloader - for his really weird/suspicious defense posts aprudds - for a really arbitrary out of nowhere accusation treadmill - for trying too hard to lay the blame on freeloader Kurumi - because it would be hilarious to lynch someone who is clearly very excited to play this game on the first day two mafia games in a row | ||
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On June 05 2011 21:40 Kurumi wrote: @Pyo Because Your arguments are dumb I am going to ignore You. A tip: In mafia XXXIX I was spreading chaos in the Town,also I was really scummy. I wasn't talkative,I was spammy. If You want any meta reads,go check PYPI and PTP. As a noob, it's somewhat difficult to distinguish "talkative" from "spammy". I just threw out a vote for you since (A) I want/need to get my vote out while I can (B) voting for someone who noone else is going to vote for is tantamount to abstaining (C) as someone who definitely has played mafia before, I assumed that amongst noobs, you'd be adequately adept at defending yourself if suspicion actually turned to you (D) I made a post indicating that my vote for you was joke if anything, but since you seem offended i'll change my vote. Also, just out of curiosity, since the game wasn't filled only with noobs, how many people here actually have mafia experience? | ||
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On June 05 2011 22:45 Kurumi wrote: You're not going to participating in lynching the most scummy player Pyo? While I understand place holder votes You need to know that people like me will remember that. I want to see a good post after You're back. And who exactly is the most scummy player? Freeloader? If it freeloader really is a scum and people are all jumping on him, wouldn't other scum try to draw attention away from themselves by sacrificing him? In other words by encouraging others to go for him, or at least promoting mob mentality, isn't that a huge red flag as being scum? Maybe I should change my vote back after all... Are people actually vindictive in mafia? Wouldn't that draw too much attention to themselves? Either way, my apologies, don't kill me off too quick  Also, what counts as a "good post"? Maybe point out an example? From what I've seen looking through old mafias is that "good posts" that are too on target, especially early on end up getting you killed. | ||
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On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote: By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. My list wasn't in any particular order. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos. Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. what does "bus" mean? Sorry I don't know all the mafia lingo yet. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes. Are you speaking as an experience mafia player here? I mean his post was less than hour after PMs went out. Do mafia really get organized that fast? I realize that this is murky water since we're not supposed to use our PM times to figure out roles according to the rules. | ||
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On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: hi everyone i'm back my thoughts so far: - jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing - freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking: and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT? - unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today - if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) - voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread. - there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly. - posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy - kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much  (also no offense to kurumi)- from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. ##vote: iGrok So how common is it for townies to vote for/ lynch day1 people that they just don't like or find annoying? I mean in the face no real evidence for or against anyone is it worth it to eliminate inactive or annoying players? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=16#309 I thought post editing wasn't allowed. | ||
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The players that I find annoying are by far Haiku boy and Kurumi. So if ever I'm undecided about who to vote for it'll probably be one of them. I think it is interesting to note all the little 1v1 bickering going on, the most recent example of which is between iGrok and gtrsrs. I think it is reasonable to assume that two mafia wouldn't orchestrate a mini feud this early on, which means that either both are town or only one is town. So combining my last 2 paragraphs, I think I'm gonna have to change my vote to iGrok. | ||
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On June 06 2011 18:30 iGrok wrote: And don't call me Haiku boy again. Just curious, why do you find me annoying? Aside from the haikus, which I stopped when I realized some people don't appreciate having a little fun. Well haiku girl, In no particular order: 1. Your haikus 2. Your heroic let me break down the game for you all post, which is clearly an attempt to make it seem like you know what you're doing, yet you still did #1, revealing that you're just a self-important douche (note that gtrsrs interprets this as you being scum) 3. Your passive-aggressiveness ("don't call me Haiku boy again") 4. Your not-so-passive aggressiveness (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=10#187) 5. You like to think that you are a pro chastising others for not reading the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=12#232), but haven't even read the rules yourself (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=10#196) 6. Red hurts my eyes (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=18#342) 7. "For science" - Athene is a douche, and so are you for quoting him (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=19#365) 8. Your triangle picture. 9. And then there's your whole exchange with gtrsrs, which needs no real explanation I suppose that there might be a little overlap in that list. I don't really know whether you're scum or not, but as I said in a previous post I'm picking one of a random bickering between two players (you and gtrsrs) and he's a lot less grating and - for now at least - appears more emotionally stable (less likely to give a tell after prodding). I'll leave it everyone else to judge your response to a more pressure/attention on you. | ||
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On June 06 2011 23:55 Jackal58 wrote: I asked you a question based upon your assertion. Problem. Just remember DT's if you check the GF you will get a townie return. Yay! I do have internet on the cape. The mafia can frame a townie too, also there could be millers. In both situations a townie would return as scum. | ||
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On June 06 2011 12:27 iGrok wrote: Whats your opinion of me? curious Isn't this a scummy post? Why should any townie care about what others think of themselves? I initially voted for him because I thought he was being a self important douche in a newbie mafia game and a vote for someone I didn't like was just as arbitrary as voting for anyone else. But now I'm starting to think he might actually be scum. He's "experienced," so he should know how to hide as a town, right? And I feel like he is being overly careful to make sure he comes off as being town (analysis posts etc). Additionally, he got quite defensive when he was randomly accused by gtrsrs and even more so when I arbitrarily jumped in. As for Kurumi, my initial impression still stands. He is a chaotic poster. This on paper is a very good strategy if you want to avoid being mafia killed as having a lot of suspicion on you is good for mafia. And with roleblocker/GF powers he's generally a good person to keep around for mafia. Last game he did the same thing and was actually a townie, however he got lynched day 1 for posting like he has been. I think he's probably a townie, but quite frankly, a useless one. I'm not going to advocate voting for him, but if he goes I don't think he'll be missed Senj appears to be lurking. 4 posts so far, so he's quite easy to analyze really. first post defending freeloaderfirst post he defends freeloader second post defending igrok shifting blame to people accusing freeloader bandwagoning against rookie (actually voting this time) If either freeloader or rookie get lynched/killed I think we will know whether senj is scum or not. | ||
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On June 07 2011 13:19 iGrok wrote: While I'm thinking I want to voice in on this - Ordinarily, using vigis early is a bad idea. But, we got hit hard tonight, and since we're probably out of medics (there may be 1 more), we may need to shoot tonight to cut down KP even more. -___- Absolutely a scum post... Why do we need to hit hard? We really don't. We lose two medics who honestly are mostly passive powers and not useful until DT's make themselves known (one way or another). And mafia only has 3kp. To me iGrok is beyond a doubt scum. I'll repeat my post on Senj of his first 4 posts: first post defending freeloaderfirst post he defends freeloader second post defending igrok shifting blame to people accusing freeloader bandwagoning against rookie (actually voting this time) defending iGrok, it further reinforces my suspicion of iGrok. Additionally, the kurumi, amazingxkcd, and senj nearly simultaneously voting for rookie is pretty solid that they are all scum. I'll also throw out there that given that there were 7 active mafia (thekk said nothing at all), it was possible for them to pick up on any little accusation and turn it into a lynch if they all voted together. Everyone who ended up voting for Rookie is now under suspicion. I'll go through them later when I wake up (and assuming i'm not mafia killed before then) | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:44 Impervious wrote: As for DT checks, I wouldn't recommend xkcd, senj and kurumi right now. If xkcd gets killed tonight (or one of the other two instead), we'll have 2 people as good lynch targets if he flips red, and it's hardly better than a blind guess if he flips green, so it's not really worth a check right now. I agree with this point. since those 3 are the biggest suspects right now, it is almost certain that the town among them is going to be GF framed. I'll also point out that it isn't unreasonable for senj and xkcd to have waited for kurumi to have posted to follow him in bandwagoning on rookie. While I am certain that at least 2 of them are scum, there isn't much to be learned from using blue powers on them. But I'll repeat that iGrok is very scummy. Being defended by senj is a big tell. Additionally, propping up certain players as being experienced/super awesome. Also his constant chartmaking – does more to confuse the issue than anything. When I end up dead (I probably will given that I've been a little too pro-town in my posting and pretty much no one thinks that I'm scum), maybe people will take more notice of him, especially considering I'm the only one pushing for him right now. | ||
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For everyone else, I think he is talking about thisthis. | ||
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So they hit our vet? Or we have another medic who happened to protect the right person. I disagree with Treadmill. If you were medic saved or vet, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!!!! Keep them guessing whether you are the vet or whether we have a third medic. Town doesn't need to know that information only mafia would want you to reveal yourself. Treadmill just outed himself as scum. | ||
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On June 08 2011 13:12 Impervious wrote: Ok, so, now that it's daytime, I'd like to ask everyone to do something simple for me, before we start discussing anything more serious. I'd like to know what guides/games you have read, as well as what games you have played. Just take like 10 seconds to post a quick list plz. If you've played in a few already, I know you're well exposed to TL Mafia. I'm asking for this information I want to get a feeling for how well adjusted our "newbie" players will be. I'm pretty sure that this may prove useful to us in the future. I wanted to ask it during the previous day, but I showed up pretty late for the party. I don't think this will be useful too easy to lie or manipulate by mafia, but I guess I'll answer anyway. I've never heard of mafia before I accidentally stumbled upon TL mafia by looking at some random person's post history. In preparation for this game, I read through most of XXXIX. | ||
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On June 08 2011 13:54 Treadmill wrote: Bullshit. The mafia already know who the third target was. That person coming forward doesn't say anything about whether he was saved by being a vet or by a medic (in fact, its a good point, Pyo, to emphasize that whoever got shot shouldn't say anything on the matter). I just think town knowing what the mafia knows is a good thing. Yeah, you're definitely scum. Since you're scum, you aren't approaching it as townie would. If it was a vet that got hit, there's nothing to exploit. no strategies can be used. If it is a medic, then we're in luck and we have options available to us. But if mafia know that we have that medic, then they will go medic hunting. Now it is undoubtedly a good thing for the mafia to not know which one, as it will in the worst case scenario cost them another KP to learn which it is. However, if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting. As a townie knowing who survived the hit doesn't benefit us in anyway. Not until next night when the next round of DT checks go out. It's not like their analysis of posting becomes any more accurate or informed. | ||
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DeMorcerf was possibly hit because he was a suspected blue for lying low - or it was to reestablish cred for iGrok. He defended iGrok and he voted with iGrok (a point treadmill avoided making since he didn't want to further emphasize). | ||
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Kurumi is just an obnoxious overzealous townie with behavior consistent across multiple mafia games. iGrok is 100% scum. He defends lafali claims that his change of vote was a reaction to his post about bandwagons - clearly trying to engineer a scenario - which he never really made. He got super defensive after I joined with gtrsrs in voting for him (even though I said my voting for him was basically arbitrary - as if haikus actually matter). Also the fact that I am still alive is a huge tell. I have been the most vocal against him and even all but declared myself dead at the hands of the mafia. If he had been town, I would be the perfect target for the mafia. Just think, I get hit and then suspicion falls on iGrok for real and he might get lynched. win-win for them right? But if he is mafia, then killing me would just bring more suspicion on him. For all his supposed experience, he's tripped up several times. Everyone should go through and read all his posts. Also don't forget mafia powers. The GF can frame someone and the GF can hide his role to DT checks. | ||
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On June 09 2011 02:11 amazingxkcd wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2011 02:08 Kurumi wrote: Not saying that You're scum,just that's an interesting observation that they blame everyone besides You. I agree with this, and started to discuss this, but the main townies besides you aren't helping me with this. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lVa9l.png) xkcd grasping at straws in an attempt to divert attention away from himself? The reason people are more or less forgiving jackal for initiating the voting on rookie is that (1) he isn't really coming off as scum in any of his other posts. (2) scum isn't likely to be the initiator of a lynch in day 1 - there's no need given there are sure to be so many innocents being accused (3) jackal is experience, but isn't really pushing anyone really hard or trying hard to make others follow him. Even if he is mafia, he isn't explicitly trying to influence town like iGrok is, for example. Therefore even if he is mafia, he isn't as big a threat as some of the other suspected mafia for whom we have more evidence against. In other words, he can - maybe should, i don't really know - be DT checked. | ||
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On June 09 2011 04:50 gtrsrs wrote: wow even jackal told you to not blindly follow him and yet you all did well look at who initiated the bandwagoning (not the accusation), the following. As best I can tell (correct me if i'm wrong), but i think he was the first among the "experienced players" to actively advocate someone. However, the fact that no one paid any attention to this post by GGQ, but were reasonably quick to back off of freeloader makes me think that it was mafia that were the meat of rookie's lynching. | ||
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On June 09 2011 05:30 gtrsrs wrote: anyway those are my feelings. if iGrok isn't dead tomorrow maybe i'll be arsed to do a post-by-pretentious-post analysis of his misleadings, but instead, it'd be nice if you guys just looked over MY post telling you exactly what iGrok was going to do and then notice how he did it. Fortunately, you don't have to. Sprungjeezy already did it here. | ||
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On June 09 2011 10:32 heist wrote: Wanted to end on this. Ironic isn't it? You might be using the alanis morrissette definition of irony, but that isn't irony. I asked that question and no one really gave me a reason not to. I was actually planning to change my vote away from iGrok since it was an arbitrary accusation anyway. I started by randomly voting for kurumi and then for appruds before i ever got iGrok's case. But when i got on iGrok, he became really defensive. Then in light of his defense of lafali and GGQ's analysis I am even more confident that he's mafia. I'm not going to advocate him over xkcd since i'm reasonably sure that he's mafia too and if either of the two get lynched I'm fine. I will add that I find it curious that ever since the heat had turned on iGrok and several people started voting for him, his rather extensive and frequent posting/analysis has all but dried up. Almost as if he didn't want to further incriminate him or was waiting for other mafia to try to damage control the situation. If he were actually town, I feel like he should have continued to post as per usual because after he turned up green, everything would become even more valuable (especially as an "experienced" player). Does that confirm he's mafia? no, of course not. But add that to his other suspicious activity outlined by GGQ before he died: "At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused." Go ahead vote for xkcd, but keep in mind that mafia are almost certainly more than happy to bus one of their own to save the GF. In closing, I'll remind you all of GGQ's dying recommendation since he isn't around anymore to give it. | ||
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You're taking whether or not he was even going to participate as a sign of his role? WTF? And people called me tunneling iGrok bad analysis... You pick on jackal saying kurumi is insane as an indication of jackal trying to condemn or discredit him. That's wrong, go read kurumi's posting in XXXIX. He IS insane. I think even he'd admit it. Jackal pointing out rookie would be extremely dangerous for the god father to do. I mean why take that risk when he could have one of the other mafia do it or even wait for a townie to make a false accusation. Jackal says DT checks will return townie. That is not wrong. blues are townies too. "Ok, how can Jackal knows that Kurumi is scum if Freeloader is scum? If freeloader is scum, then Kurumi isn’t necessary that of a scum. Jackal then adds the second sentence as a insurance policies to himself. If Freeloader flips townie, then Kurumi is townie and most of the bandwagoners is scummy. Why does Jackal not say that? He lied here, and we know Mafia has to lie to win this game." - like for real? That is absurd. Bottom line this huge ass post is just a distraction filled with garbage analysis... and I haven't read the spoilered parts yet. | ||
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On June 09 2011 13:22 Treadmill wrote: [/b]Something else: GGQ didn't post ANY suspicions of iGrok until literally 1 minute before the night post. So the notion that GGQ was killed to protect iGrok from his accusations is bogus. Wait, when did anyone say this? | ||
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On June 09 2011 13:40 amazingxkcd wrote: Oh yeah one thing, my analysis of you has lead me to determine that you are a scum. You just confirmed that By clearly trying to defend jackal here. Everyone is watching you, do not forget You think I'm scum?!? I'm kind of excited now. I starting to think that there was no way I could make it less obvious that I was town to the point I was really worried I was going to get mafia killed by becoming a confirmed townie. Also I have no idea whether jackal is scum or not. He could be but honestly that doesn't really matter right now. Even if he is scum considering his mistake about rookie, he has limited sway over town right now, so he's somewhat lower on the we-should-lynch-right-now list certainly below iGrok and yourself. ROFL just read your analysis of me. I'm not gonna bother defending myself against it, but if someone wants to have fun they can go ahead and do it. In fact, I encourage everyone to read it - it's just that funny. The only thing I'll point out is that many of the quotes attributed to me were quotes within my posts - xkcd messed all the nesting up. | ||
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On June 09 2011 17:21 supersoft wrote: our vigi can shoot amazing. we have to get rid of the GF and amazing is not the gf. I really don't like that people are advocating the use of the vigi powers. Whoever the vigi is should just judge for themselves whether they should use it and whom to use it on. Listening to someone else is inherently dangerous and subject to being manipulated. Basically, Vigi's use it when you feel it is appropriate and everyone else, stop advocating their use. | ||
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On June 09 2011 17:00 35spike1 wrote: ^Basically, more evidence of iGrok not killing GGQ to save himself. No one is really using this as an argument for iGrok's guilt. Stop bringing it up and arguing against it. If you think he is guilty (as I do), it's a bad argument and not a needed argument, and hence isn't really being used. If you think he is innocent, bringing up non-existent and/or bad arguments to fight against is really suspicious and more importantly for you isn't going to convince anyone of his innocence. | ||
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On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote: haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-) Hmm, so if the lynch target doesn't end up voting (and gets modkilled), does the next highest voting get lynched? | ||
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On June 10 2011 13:02 teamsolid wrote: Just as I thought... that part about Kurumi "not needing to defend himself" was clearly his way of trying to tell us he did a DT on him. Either lots of people don't use their brains when thinking about why a mafia would ever post that much analysis, or there's a couple of mafias in here. wow, we kind of suck - two blue lynches... I totally thought he was mafia or I would have pushed harder for iGrok. I guess I'll have to go through huge ass post more seriously. Who do you think he DT checked? At this point I'll guess that he checked jackal and got mafia (although jackal was a likely framer target), so it's still kind of hard to judge. | ||
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On June 10 2011 13:19 teamsolid wrote: No, you kind of suck, unless you're a mafia then good job. wait, why do I suck. I've been pushing iGrok, not xkcd. | ||
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On June 10 2011 13:30 teamsolid wrote: Firstly, there are Mafia Roleblockers. Secondly, there's a good chance there are no more Medics. If he made it entirely clear that he's a DT, he'd be dead and/or useless. This is a game of subtleties and why people need to look at things from a neutral/analytical perspective, and not with preconceived notions. Yeah, he'd be dead next night cycle, but he wouldn't be dead right now. I mean ignoring any analysis done, he would know that he was a DT (and a townie) and iGrok was maybe a townie, maybe a mafia. Considering his vote could have been the deciding factor, wouldn't it have been better for him to make to sacrificed another townie than to let himself die even if he didn't role claim? | ||
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On June 10 2011 15:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok everyone, thank you for your patience. iGrok the Godfather has been lynched. Amazingxkcd will remain dead and the mafia will lose one KP for the night to compensate for a free DT kill. I’ve talked this over with several people and they feel this is the fairest, least disruptive way to deal with things. I apologize that this situation occurred; it was my sloppy vote counting which led to it. If you are unhappy with this decisions please PM flamewheel rather than bring it up in the thread I'm ok with this outcome and smugly fist-pumping while grinning to myself. | ||
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On June 10 2011 15:30 Pyo wrote: I'm ok with this outcome and smugly fist-pumping while grinning to myself. I guess that puts gtrsrs and myself in the clear as townies... oh shit, i guess that also means we're probably dead unless the mafia decide to go fishing for blues. | ||
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On June 10 2011 15:31 iGrok wrote: Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now, So long and thanks for all the fish! gg dude, I hope you didn't take my getting in your face personally. | ||
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On June 08 2011 13:26 Pyo wrote: So they hit our vet? Or we have another medic who happened to protect the right person. I disagree with Treadmill. If you were medic saved or vet, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!!!! Keep them guessing whether you are the vet or whether we have a third medic. Town doesn't need to know that information only mafia would want you to reveal yourself. Going back over the posts, I think I was actually quite wrong about this. The person who hit (if they were hit) should come forward, but should not say whether they are a vet or whether they got medic-protected. I was being overzealous at the time. Whew, there, I got that off my chest. | ||
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On June 10 2011 13:49 Senj wrote: Wow. I couldn't have been more wrong about anyone this game. wrong about whom? | ||
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Pyo, Gtrsrs, Sprungjeezy, Kurumi, Supersoft, CjrNinja, omgCRAZY, Xedat, Kairo, monsterDrakar, TranceStorm, Drazerk, freeloader625 I'm working on going post by post for the remaining players: Munk-E, Senj, Cherubael, Blackone, Treadmill, grush57, Impervious, Alderan, 35spike1, TheAwesomeAll, Aprudds, Vain, Aril, teamsolid, Heist, Jackal58 for now, i'll just post about out Cherubael, who appears very scummy: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - freeloader Day 2 - amazingxkcd agrees with accusation of freeloader again agreeing with accusation of freeloader further aggression against freeloader; aggression toward Aril when he defends freeloader aggression against 35spike says case against xkcd is stronger than case against iGrok; aggression against supersoft; apologizes for inactivity Basically he is throwing out a lot of aggression/accusation in all of his posts but doesn't really commit to any of it. He also declares case against xkcd to be stronger than against iGrok without really saying why. Although there aren't really any obvious contradictions in his posting/voting, he is acting quite suspicious. | ||
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On June 08 2011 15:11 heist wrote: Let's assume iGrok is gf. So you're saying that on the very first night, the mafia kills off deMorcef (definitely a pro-town vibe poster) primarily because he has consistently sided with iGrok? Keeping the people who believe in iGrok alive seems much more sensible than killing one off just to provide some "cred". I'm really doubting iGrok is gf if we have to assume the mafia killed off a consistent town supporter of the gf. Just came across this post by heist. I don't know if he made it just to contradict me (from his posting, it's clear he doesn't like me very much), but I find this interesting, because iGrok getting flipped GF means that this is exactly what the mafia did. Not saying that heist is scum, but he definitely was very quick to defend iGrok. He was also among the first (but not the first) to really draw attention to xkcd. here is his full post history: + Show Spoiler + day 1 - amazingxkcd day 2 - Jimbooo thinks freeloader's last two posts were suspicious confusion about rolecounts confusion cleared up justifies making an inactives list diverts attention away from iGrok toward grush57; analyzes grush's posting history to be mostly one-liners advises people who voted for freeloader to reconsider; pushes going after lurkers; says grush, supersoft, lafali, amazingxkcd, and gtrsrs are suspicious. Says there are two strategies for how town should vote day 1 - doesn't make much sense posts vote counts and wants to know why people voted for monstrerDrakar and Drazerk criticizes supersoft's arbitrary vote. wants to get supersoft's read on the other person who voted monsterDrakar (Xedat) "mafia will do whatever it takes to seem like a townie" bad formatting making a quoted post look like his own; admonishing xkcd for being defensive and casting suspicioun on everyone and bandwagoning drazerk; says xkcd and rookie have similar chances of being scum clarifies formating from previous post really doesn't want people voting freeloader; really going after xkcd noticed lafali unvoting freeloader after bandwagon started to change; noticed jimbooo did the same thing; accuses jimbooo, suggests killing xkcd as well. declares that he's gunning for jimbooo his expreience defense that iGrok can't be GF because mafia wouldn't kill off a townie supporter of the GF (ignores the fact that iGrok had heat on him, so it was perfectly reasonable to try to establish cred) says person who was hit should acknowledge that they were hit and survived. long defense of iGrok. Seems like he's going really far out of his way to defend him. it's clear heist really doesn't like me. says kurumi is probably town given that xkcd flipped blue I'd like to say that he is scum, but it might simply be that he doesn't like me very much - it's hard for me to know that my judgement isn't clouded by personal bias. | ||
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On June 10 2011 18:13 Xedat wrote: Okay, it might just be my opinion but your posts are directly influencing mafia htis. What if mafi awanted to kill 35spike1 or apprudds (I don't think they will hit Treadmill as he is under suspicion). Please save your critical posts that could influence mafia. Also, we should go over amazingxkcd's post and also check who were the people that awnted him lynched the most. oops, didn't see this. oh well, I guess I'll wait till the end of the night to post the rest of my analyses. I will add, however, that we should also look at those who quick to defend or divert attention away from iGrok. | ||
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On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote: Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman. i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie. | ||
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On June 10 2011 20:39 Drazerk wrote: Even though it was close i would not rule any of them out yet even though it was close if I was mafia I would lynch the gf to remove suspicion from my self for later in the game The iGrok - dont lynch + xkcd lynch list is a pretty good place to start for now I'm not so sure that's a good idea. I mean it's really hard to tell if iGrok's list was intended to manipulate or just a random list or a list of people he put together analyzing the situation as if he was town. I guess I'll also add that my suggestion of exonerating those that voted for iGrok was contingent on the assumption that the mafia would be playing optimally/intelligently, but that can be called into question if they actually did double hit GGQ day 1 after having seen two medics get killed. | ||
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On June 10 2011 20:53 Kurumi wrote: These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad. Yep, Jimbooo is totally my scum buddy. Oh wait, he's already been modkilled and flipped green. If anyone is being suspicious and isn't anything to the game, it's you. In case it isn't clear, you just suggested to vigi kill someone who is already dead and flipped green. | ||
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On June 10 2011 20:53 Kurumi wrote: These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad. Also, you are totally wrong here. The reason town doesn't like people who are suspicious is that they might incorrectly kill them, not because they want them dead!!! | ||
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On June 10 2011 21:12 Kurumi wrote: People who are about to get killed start to get really talkative,You know? Unless they're scum. As iGrok has shown us. so are you saying you are spamming because you are about to die? I'm utterly and completely confused by you. | ||
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On June 10 2011 21:30 Kurumi wrote: Damn,You've got me. That's why I am asking,derp. An insight into Kurumi's psyche. | ||
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On June 11 2011 09:44 gtrsrs wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 15:31 iGrok wrote: Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now, So long and thanks for all the fish! HOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMAD + Show Spoiler + HOW MAD? god i feel vindicated. looks like my sleuth-nose didn't need to be blown, i had the scent from day 1. anyways the only person that is *actually* cleared at this point is [green]kurumi. i don't know if that's a good thing because it means we have no reason to lynch him and shut up his spamming now, but it's nice to have a poster to rally behind. that being said, i think this also clears up [green]pyo, myself, and potentially [green]sprungjeezy. it would be INCREDIBLY stupid to bus the godfather, and pyo and myself have been harping him since day 1. sprungjeezy jumped on a bit late but he was passionate and convincing. again, in a close vote like that, the mafia would have NO reason to bus their godfather. now we get onto the next part. i CANNOT believe that amazingxckd flipped blue of all things. i'm not too worried about it because he's a terrible player. in a close vote between 2 people where HIS ASS IS ON THE LINE, he voted for a third party. there are no words for that kind of stupidity. here's another thing. since we've now had this happen twice in 2 days. IF YOU ARE ON THE LYNCHING BLOCK AND YOU ARE A BLUE, CLAIM YOUR ROLE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i realize that somewhere in his novels amazingxkcd made a soft-claim on detective saying that he KNEW that kurumi was town. but do you honestly think that's enough? how many people actually read that shit? at best, half the town skimmed it. a much better approach would have been to post "I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT" because that would actually get read. and yes, it means that you *might* get killed by the mafia that night. but if you were going to die via lynch, it's better that we lynch someone else that could be mafia instead i just seriously don't understand what amazingxckd was accomplishing by voting for jackal. mind = blown at his stupidity. so where do we go from here? i think someone pointed out a couple pages ago that in a close vote race, it's incredibly unlikely that *any* mafia voted for iGrok. while it's not solid, and there's some major WIFOM to consider, i think that we should focus mostly on the people who voted for amazingxkcd for our analyses now and can we please keep them under 29034820932038 characters from now on? i don't know why TL.net players have this propensity to try to up each other, but you can say just as much in a 1-page essay as you can in a 10-page essay with the amount of fluff you guys write i'm out to play a couple games in a LoL tourney but i will be back to analyze some of the people who voted for amazingxkcd later. hopefully medics are considering protecting me and seriously, how mad do you guys think iGrok is right now? No need to be an ass. Also, in defense of xkcd, he technically wasn't losing the lynch vote so I can understand why he didn't claim. I do feel a little bad for iGrok because the accusations against him really were arbitrary (we read his attempts at being manipulative more as him being a douche), which among more experienced players shouldn't have garnered the attention it did among newbies. Unfortunately, he didn't really respond to the pressure very well and ended up tipping off GGQ which is what ultimately swayed most of the town. In other words, I think more of the credit goes to GGQ for bringing forth the real evidence against him, rather than you or I for simply jumping on suspicious behavior. As for your other points of keeping your posts short, organized and WELL FORMATTED, I agree completely. Same deal with your point about blues letting themselves get lynched. | ||
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Lurkers/low post counts: Aril + Show Spoiler + day 1 - kurumi day 2 - jackal58 doesn't like voting for freeloader defends accusation by cherubael says he won't be on tomorrow and is voting ahead of time makes a huge long list of random people - a ridiculous post combining "this will get me killed" and a huge long list of people, some of which are confirmed townies sets up a script to parse posts - again says "yay for getting mafia killed because only a stupid confirmed townie would post this" Munk-E + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - lafali Day 2 - amazingxkcd analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll goes after lafali long analysis of amazingxkcd cherubael + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - freeloader Day 2 - amazingxkcd agrees with accusation of freeloader again agreeing with accusation of freeloader further aggression against freeloader; aggression toward Aril when he defends freeloader aggression against 35spike says case against xkcd is stronger than case against iGrok; aggression against supersoft; appologizes for inactivity all around overly aggressive to everyone. I've sort of rethought my original position on him. he's probably not mafia (it would be odd for them to go around attacking everyone). blackone + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - freeloader Day 2 - amazingxkcd admonishes iGrok for haikus analysis of freeloader; doesn't really reach any conclusion points out that the voting for rookie is stupid defends treadmill from kurumi accusation (don't remember context so can't interpret) points out my errors in logic, says i might be scummy for trying to get the possibly existent 3rd target to keep quiet confused by kurumi saying random shit explaining vote for amazingxkcd after kurumi harasses him more detail on why xkcd - says iGrok is probably GF, but case against xkcd is stronger others: Alderan + Show Spoiler + day 1 - rookie day 2 - xkcd Defends freeloader as misguided town again assess freeloader as just being new explains that what kurumi does is not good says that xkcd's first post is bad (stating the premise of the game) points out xkcd's aggressive defense list of suspicious people - first accusation of xkcd; also identifies grush as suspicious formatting clarification responds to iGrok's advice declares his vote for xkcd; points out a contradiciton by iGrok joke post attempt to convince others not to vote for freeloader welcomes impervious to the game disagrees with TranceStorm response to being called scum by jackal isn't convinced rookie is blue-fishing warns rookie that he'll get lynched if he doesn't defend himself isn't convinced rookie is scum, but still votes for him for lack of a better target disagrees with impervious about protecting experienced people under suspicion as mafia are likely to keep anyone under suspicion alive suggests that if we have a medic that medic should decide for themselves who to protect says that it is not jackal's fault that everyone bandwagoned rookie again advocates lynching xkcd advocates voting for xkcd, but keeping an eye on jackal and iGrok explains vote for rookie as having missed the blue-tell says xkcd should repost analysis of iGrok "oh fuck" in response to xkcd flipping blue "Wow..." in response to iGrok flipping GF teamsolid + Show Spoiler + day 1 - freeloader day 2 - jackal58 thinks freeloader is suspicious, but warns against latching onto random posts and picking at tiny details; says mafia would likely be people that are lurking suggests dt check for senj because of bandwagoning on rookie comments on only 2 dying praises GGQ's dying words; says only person we have solid evidence on is xkcd. Acknowledges that iGrok could be GF, but would be a big loss to town if he was town; thinks mafia would be lurking seconds impervious's defense of iGrok (later post says he meant to quote heist's defense of iGrok); says that he doesn't think that any of iGrok's posts are suspicious. (CONTRADICTION: if they aren't suspicious, why do you acknowledge that iGrok could be GF). brings up Ver's guide; says xkcd's post was good and analyzed people well; says he doesn't think xkcd is mafia anymore because why would mafia waste time making epic long postl decides to look into jackal more further defends xkcd; points out that some think xkcd is DT says a jackal post is scummy, defends xkcd, votes for jackal because he thinks xkcd is DT says he was right about xkcd being DT (good read btw - I actually missed the discussion on xkcd possibly being a DT) says jackal is top of his list; suspicious of Sprungjeezy, me, 35spike for "discrediting" xkcd; says later votes for xkcd are suspicious if iGrok flips GF says I suck ;( responds to me wondering why xkcd didn't save himself (turns out he shouldn't have had to, but w/e) senj + Show Spoiler + day 1 - rookie44 day 2 - amazingxkcd defends freeloader defends iGrok because iGrok is the only one to provide analysis so far is suspicious of Jimbooo because of arguments brought up by TranceStorm bandwagons on rookie after Jackal's misread defends his rookie vote timing (given that xkcd is blue, i guess it could be a coincidence) defends voting for rookie apologizes for inactivity long analysis post about Jimbooo and him being indecisive about voting during day 1, but doesn't explicitly accuse him but points out his indecision - ironic given that the post itself is him being indecisive. pointing out that Jimbooo has disappeared from TL responds to Kurumi asking if we should vigi shoot grush responds to kurumi and TranceStorm says he is still voting for Jimbooo, but is worried that he'll get modkilled so will analyze xkcd and iGrok finds it weird that both iGrok and xkcd defend themselves; notices a slight contradiction between iGroks's statements; but as of this point it looks as if an iGrok lynch is inevitable complains about tdAdonis's lack of posting. encourages xkcd to defend himself explains why he is voting for xkcd - "His day 1 activity, especially the first post and then several after attacking others for making fluff first posts are my basis here" "Wow. I couldn't have been more wrong about anyone this game." Probably refering to all three of his accusees (rookie, jimbooo, xkcd) heist + Show Spoiler + day 1 - amazingxkcd day 2 - Jimbooo thinks freeloader's last two posts were suspicious confusion about rolecounts confusion cleared up justifies making an inactives list diverts attention away from iGrok toward grush57; analyzes grush's posting history to be mostly one-liners advises people who voted for freeloader to reconsider; pushes going after lurkers; says grush, supersoft, lafali, amazingxkcd, and gtrsrs are suspicious. Says there are two strategies for how town should vote day 1 - doesn't make much sense posts vote counts and wants to know why people voted for monstrerDrakar and Drazerk criticizes supersoft's arbitrary vote. wants to get supersoft's read on the other person who voted monsterDrakar (Xedat) "mafia will do whatever it takes to seem like a townie" bad formatting making a quoted post look like his own; admonishing xkcd for being defensive and casting suspicioun on everyone and bandwagoning drazerk; says xkcd and rookie have similar chances of being scum clarifies formating from previous post really doesn't want people voting freeloader; really going after xkcd noticed lafali unvoting freeloader after bandwagon started to change; noticed jimbooo did the same thing; accuses jimbooo, suggests killing xkcd as well. declares that he's gunning for jimbooo his expreience defense that iGrok can't be GF because mafia wouldn't kill off a townie supporter of the GF (ignores the fact that iGrok had heat on him, so it was perfectly reasonable to try to establish cred) says person who was hit should acknowledge that they were hit and survived. long defense of iGrok. Seems like he's going really far out of his way to defend him. it's clear heist really doesn't like me. says kurumi is probably town given that xkcd flipped blue | ||
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On June 11 2011 13:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Impervious was cleaning his gun. He hated those scummy reds with a passion. He also happened to be a gun enthusiast who took great pride in his collection. He had his favorite Colt Anaconda stripped in front of him. As he was oiling the gun he suddenly heard a noise behind him. “Nice collection” growled a sinister voice. Impervious’s heart went cold. He looked at his dissembled gun and realized he had no chance. A cold chuckle filled his ears. The town found his body the next morning. Jackal58 was playing his guitar in his basement. He was feeling pretty good about the game so far, the godfather was dead and he was sure the mafia was reeling. He was playing pretty loudly and consequently didn’t hear the person enter his basement. He slammed out one last chord and turned his amp off. A voice reached his ears “you’re dead” it said flatly. Jackal spun around just in time to meet a silenced bullet through his head. Jackal58 the townie has been killed Impervious the vigilante has been killed lol, nice day post. Too bad about Jackal and imperivous. I'm surprised mafia went after him considering how much suspicion he had garnered in the last day cycle. | ||
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On June 11 2011 12:11 TranceStorm wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm assuming that quite a few people will be posting their "in case I die thoughts". I will be doing the same right now by declaring my extreme suspicion for Vain. Looking at his previous game history, he played in Slightly Normal Mini Mafia I. In this game, he was the doctor and aided greatly in the town's victory. Notice that in that game, although he was accused of lurking and was a heavy lynch target throughout the day, he responded to the pressure placed upon him very well and helped the town win. In that game, he posted without fear, pointing out logical fallacies in other people's arguments, making witty comments (often one-liners), and accusing other players freely. This game, however, he is far more cautious and reticent in all of his posts. Note that he only ever speaks about the players most hotly debated at the moment and only throws small support behind lynching one of the candidates. In fact, the only matter which he seems to strongly support is iGrok's innocence. The first point of suspicion against him is here: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote: Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). iGrok puts him on the top of his don't lynch list yet Vain had not been too particularly active in that period. My second point of suspicion (and my strongest one) is my earlier post against him: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 10:04 TranceStorm wrote: @Vain. I'm not particularly concerned about your defense of Lafali. My question regards your vote for rookie on day1. You first post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=28#554 concluding that Jackal's analysis of rookie was not sufficient. I'm cutting this out of your post here: Then later, you switch your vote to rookie roughly an hour later saying: Only roughly an hour passed between these two posts. During this period, rookie had not posted and no one had brought up any new reasons as to why to vote for rookie.Yet you vote for rookie on the basis that: "His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. " That in no way is a justification to vote to lynch someone. Simply because they didn't contribute should not justify a vote and considering that there were other candidates with significant evidence against them (which you seem to ignore), it seems highly suspicious that you jump right to rookie's vote when you earlier argued that he "didn't ring your scum bell". I had done this earlier in the thread where I had questioned him regarding why he voted for rookie when he had declared an hour before that rookie wasn't particularly suspicious. His reasoning in the thread was that he "hadn't contributed anything at all", which is a poor reason to lynch anyone. He has still yet to explain his reasoning behind the rookie lynch and I find that damning. The third point comes from this quote, which Vain belatedly posts near the end of yesterday's lynch: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 09:43 Vain wrote: So basing off this i would believe very strongly Kurumi is town. There was no real reason for him to attack lafali this hard on day one. The plan could have easily backfired. Also i'm not sure about iGrock now but i can't get one thing out of my head. Remember the whiteboard iGrok posted? why the fuck would you have such a thing if you are mafia? I just can't believe he just painted arrows that had to be right just to give us an insurance he was town(otherwise hats off to you iGrok). Furthermore the list pleads for Xedat for him emphasizing kurumi thought lafali was scum. And as last this puts a bit of suspicion on Trancestorm for diverting to jimboo. you may conclude some other things from the list but it gets more and more speculation on the way(was it all setup or not). Now last but not least my vote goes to jackal. I believe iGrok or jackal have to be scum. There has to be at least one experienced player in the mafia camp in my opinion. I have my doubts about iGrok but i feel jackal has more things against him(saving lafali) so my vote will go with him. You make your own choice, it would be very bad if we bandwagoned in a short time again. This post is enormously confusing, but boils down to two arguments. Vain doesn't think iGrok is mafia because he drew up those diagrams (a very weak argument), and Jackal is probably mafia because he saved lafali (a valid one). Yet note the hesitancy in this post. Vain votes Jackal on the basis that he is a better candidate than iGrok rather than on the basis that he really thinks Jackal is the mafia. Vain's carefulness is really different from his free-posting behavior in his previous game which makes me think that he is definitely mafia. It would be extremely prudent to pressure Vain on his vote on rookie and on his reasoning for his continuous defense of iGrok throughout the game. I'll also add that iGrok made an attempt to classify Vain as "experienced" earlier on in day 1. | ||
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On June 11 2011 13:23 freeloader625 wrote: Why would you ever take the time to clean your gun?!? This game is too dangerous for that! Jokes aside, how do you guys come up with this role play scenarios? I'm just curious. manatees, right? jk, | ||
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On June 12 2011 00:06 Kurumi wrote: THE PLAN Hello Townies! Planning ahead our play is a really good way to get on the right track. I want to make some points for us to follow.
Feel free to add something to that list. I hope it is good enough for us to catch scum and hopefully get it lynched. Given the fact that kurumi is insane and has pretty much accused everyone at one point or another as being scum, I think we should just completely ignore anything he posts from now on, especially ones with superfluous red and green in them. | ||
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heist posting history: + Show Spoiler + day 1 - amazingxkcd day 2 - Jimbooo thinks freeloader's last two posts were suspicious confusion about rolecounts confusion cleared up justifies making an inactives list diverts attention away from iGrok toward grush57; analyzes grush's posting history to be mostly one-liners advises people who voted for freeloader to reconsider; pushes going after lurkers; says grush, supersoft, lafali, amazingxkcd, and gtrsrs are suspicious. Says there are two strategies for how town should vote day 1 - doesn't make much sense posts vote counts and wants to know why people voted for monstrerDrakar and Drazerk criticizes supersoft's arbitrary vote. wants to get supersoft's read on the other person who voted monsterDrakar (Xedat) "mafia will do whatever it takes to seem like a townie" bad formatting making a quoted post look like his own; admonishing xkcd for being defensive and casting suspicioun on everyone and bandwagoning drazerk; says xkcd and rookie have similar chances of being scum clarifies formating from previous post really doesn't want people voting freeloader; really going after xkcd noticed lafali unvoting freeloader after bandwagon started to change; noticed jimbooo did the same thing; accuses jimbooo, suggests killing xkcd as well. declares that he's gunning for jimbooo his expreience defense that iGrok can't be GF because mafia wouldn't kill off a townie supporter of the GF (ignores the fact that iGrok had heat on him, so it was perfectly reasonable to try to establish cred) says person who was hit should acknowledge that they were hit and survived. long defense of iGrok. Seems like he's going really far out of his way to defend him. it's clear heist really doesn't like me. says kurumi is probably town given that xkcd flipped blue vain posting history: + Show Spoiler + day 1 - rookie44 day 2 - jackal58 ays that we should lynch freeloader for information (says if he's town then people defending him are town) challenges kurumi saying some evidence is better than no evidence says accusations against freeloader were grounded. Repeats that we should lynch freeloader for information (wasn't this guy supposed to be "experienced" as per iGrok's recommendation again with the small suspicion is better than no suspicioun defends iGrok's haukus says newbieness of game will mean mafia are more lurking. Defends iGrok by saying that he's a good poster. Suggests to DT check iGrok. defends a typo in his post about kurumi from iGrok suggest pressuring lurkers defends rookie as being new agrees with me that iGrok is scummy, but that we shouldn't kill him as it would be bad to lose him day 1 if he was town says freeloader probably isn't scum long rambling post defending iGrok saying one of jackal or iGrok is scum, but he thinks it is jackal Given that igrok says we should trust jackal ggq and vain but GGQ is suspicious of Vain for defending lafali and for advocating a freeloader lynch and for being labaled as experienced despite GGQ never having seen him before and also that iGrok says jackal, GGQ, and vain are not on the same team or he'll never play in a Meapak game again (knowledge that they aren't all on the same team?) I'm going to vote for Vain unless something else comes up. | ||
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On June 12 2011 00:26 Xedat wrote: Alright, I am at my parents and not at the pc very often, I will be pretty inactive the next 48 hours. Is there a post with the final vote? Or is the last one where amazing and igrok have both 13 votes the correct one? It would be pretty risky for vain to vote for jackal if the vote between iGrok and amazing is so close and he is mafia. I will vote for grush57 as he is the fishiest guy that voted for amazing, maybe when I have a bit more time I will read more of his posts and analyze him a bit. the 13-13 post is correct except CjrNinja is listed twice. While it is true that mafia could have swayed the vote to protect iGrok, it wouldn't be the first time that they have acted sub-optimally. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + defends accusation of inactivity admits bandwagoning freeloader defending himself from accusations of lurking by omgCrazy nothing accuses gtsrs of "accusing people" when he only really accused iGrok more pressure on gtrsrs accuses xkcd of being scum defends himself by saying he'll just lurk like everyone else says he'll play nice - was just mad cuz people were accusing him random arbitrary guesses: cherubael, benjef(vigi), teamsolid, blackone warns against bandwagoning a blue defends iGrok, uses "inb4 i'm defending iGrok so I'm scum" says he doesn't think iGrok would be blue chastizes treadmill for doing analysis and still voting for rookie but still says good job on analysis chastizes kurumi for calling xkcd bandwagoners scum, but not iGrok bandwagoners nothing makes speculation about why xkcd went after jackal stuff about why xkcd was so anti jackal I honestly don't know what to think, nothing really stands out as being scummy. What I would like to know is where/who the initial accusations about grush came from. | ||
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On June 12 2011 01:16 Kurumi wrote: You're playing against all the points of my plan,which listed every scum move You can do. You're scum,Pyo. You don't express Your thoughts. You just state things. You don't make a statement about player,You leave it with "I don't know" or "I haven't made my mind up yet". All I've been doing is providing links to every post by each person with a short summary of what was said for the sake of making analyzing them easier. I'll also point out that you are doing the same thing I am except not collecting observations - or do you really believe that everyone is scum? I don't think you're mafia, but you are being incredibly unhelpful to anyone. Every one of your posts is an incoherent ramble or wild baseless accusation. Honestly, this will probably be the last time I even acknowledge your presence in this thread. | ||
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I guess 1/2 the town/mafia getting modkilled is par for the course with a noobie game. | ||
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On June 13 2011 13:59 supersoft wrote: 2 mafioso and 18 townies Wait, I only count 19. Who am I missing? 1. Munk-E 2. blackone 6. teamsolid 8. Alderan 9. Treadmill 10. Drazerk 15. TranceStorm 16. heist 19. freeloader625 21. supersoft 23. Xedat 26. CjrNinja 27. Pyo 30. Vain 31. Kurumi 34. Kairo 35. omgCRAZY 36. gtrsrs 39. aprudds | ||
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On June 13 2011 14:47 heist wrote: All 3 mafia who died this day voted for amazingxkcd. I think it's a safe assumption that NO mafia voted for iGrok. I think we should continue this game based on this assumption. Treadmill Alderan Blackone Aprudds Munk-E These are the only ones left on that list. Vain and teamsolid are the ones who voted for Jackal and thus of lower priority but still possibilities. The ones on the list should be your DT targets. and yourself?!?! trying to draw attention away from yourself I see. In any case, I think it is a perfectly reasonable strategy for town to lynch the remaining players who voted for xkcd and for any DT that knows who at least 2 mafia are to just come forward and sacrifice yourself (remember that there are still millers) so we can end this game faster. I mean at 2 mafia to 18 (or 17 by my count) townies so there's only 1 mafia KP, randomly picking someone should be a winning strategy for town, especially if we kill the people who voted for iGrok last. | ||
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Looking at the voting, there are only 2 people who have been consistently waiting until the last hour to vote: freeloader and Munk-E freeloader did vote for iGrok, so I'm a little less suspicious of him, but if you combine the late posting with his lurking and his post history, I think Munk-E might be one of the remaining mafia. post history: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - lafali Day 2 - amazingxkcd Day 3 - grush57 analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll goes after lafali long analysis of amazingxkcd excuse for not posting This post by iGrok also adds further suspicion in my opinion. For one, it reveals that Munk-E's accusation of lafali came at a point where a lynch of someone else was inevitable and lafali was about to get modkilled. Also, it is curious that iGrok would respond to this post. | ||
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lol kairo fail I love how both gtrsrs and myself got roleblocked. I think that these were probably bad decisions given how vocal and accusatory we were both being. We also probably weren't DT's pushing for anything given that our tunneling of iGrok began on day 1. Also, my analysis of Munk-E must have been dead on given that he was the one who hit me. Although given the direction the town was headed, it was already gg and it didn't matter who the mafia hit. I'll still stand by my previous statement that getting hit probably saved me from an IRL kurumi-induced aneurysm (screw you Vain for saving him ><). All in all I think that the biggest reason for the mafia defeat was the modkills. lafali getting modkilled was the nail in the iGrok coffin (although iGrok really didn't help his case by being overly patronizing in a newbie mafia, which brought suspicion on himself in the first place). Ultimately, I'd call it a misplay by iGrok combined with some town luck - I think he should have realized that in a newbie game none of his "experience" accounts for anything because the premise of the game is to be deceitful and suspicious of others. Additionally, the early reduction in mafia KP for night 1 and again for night 2 from silly modkills really limited their ability to do make anything go their way. The xkcd/iGrok situation was what finally sealed the deal for the mafia. It was incredibly lucky for town that the numbers worked out as they did forcing mafia to either let their GF die or all vote for the same person. In retrospect, if one of them had bussed iGrok there by mistake, the game could still be going on (especially with the aid of modkills, the tides could have been turned really fast). | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:00 Munk-E wrote: lol! See aprudds! I told you vain would've been a better target than pyo! Wait, I'm just curious, but what was the rationale for picking me? I would have thought that my being pretty vocal was a clear indication of me not being a blue (or at least not caring if I got hit). | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:16 gtrsrs wrote: kurumi i humbly request you to not sign up for any more games that i sign up for but i look forward to playing with pyo and trancestorm and some more of you in the future Well as for me, I have no intention of ever playing in another mafia with Kurumi ever again. I will preemptively /out of any mafia game that actually includes him. | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:21 gtrsrs wrote: also i can't wait for iGrok to come in and tell us that tunneling him was bad play and we're bad players i remember this one time on epicmafia where we had a set-up with Cop Doctor Fool (village idiot) 3 mafia 2 town and the cop died night 1. traditionally the fool claims cop and tries to joint-win with the mafia. so this smartass immediately after the flip was like "i'm the cop" and then "i retract" to everyone else he was just being funny but i saw right through it and pegged him as mafia pretending to be the fool. so i asked the town to start piling votes on him to see how he'd react. of course if he really was the fool he would have hammered his own vote and won the game but he kept screaming at us to take our votes off him because he retracted and blah blah blah he flipped as the roleblocker and we won a nearly impossible-to-win set-up. the whole time in the "dead player chat" (where people who have been killed can chat with each other while they watch the game finish) he was bitching about how bad of a player i was for lynching someone based on a smartass comment, pretty much how iGrok was saying we shouldn't lynch him based on my suspicions. anyways it was really vindicating as he -karma'd my account and left me a bunch of comments about how bad i was and i was just like lol u mad? well, to be fair, you don't really have to be a dick about it. I mean good job being the first to pick up on iGrok, but rubbing it in like that is just as bad as iGrok being the pompous jack-ass that first tipped you off. | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:42 CjrNinja wrote: Thanks to Meapak and Varpulis for moderating twas a fun game.I'll second this. Thanks for hosting a mafia game for newer player to get an idea of how things work, even if it did get ruined by a bunch of modkills. | ||
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Some thoughts on the thoughts: + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 13:13 GGQ wrote: -so Day 2, happily things started out pretty much as I would have tried to make them go if I was still alive. iGrok is being pressured hard (cheers for those who took up the torch!), forcing a two-person vote that was tight from the very start of the day. This should force mafia out, first to try to divert votes, then to try to defend iGrok to keep him alive. At first I got on iGrok's trail because he was being a jerk. It wasn't until the first night after reading your post that it really occurred to me, he wasn't being an arrogant douche per se, he was just trying to sheep people. At this point I was absolutely sure he was mafia, but wasn't sure exactly how to proceed given that I was a little worried about coming off too obviously town and didn't want to get night hit. + Show Spoiler + -for those who arent convinced iGrok is scum, here’s a thought process that you should have in a situation like this. The votes are close. Very close, and they have been all day. There’s been no serious attempt to split votes and distract the town. That means mafia aren’t fucking around. One of the two players, iGrok or amazingxkcd, is scum and the mafia are trying to save him. A surprising number of people are actually considering that both of them are scum. What? Really? How does that make sense? What’s the mafia’s plan then? IF they were both scum, you can bet that the thread and the voting list would look MUCH different. There would be accusations flying in every direction creating WIFOM if one of them actually got lynched. Plus they would definitely be bussing each other to make the other look better when lynched. Instead we have xkcd defending iGrok and iGrok pretty much ignoring xkcd. No, only one is scum. You need to look at who is getting sketchier people defending him. In this vote, the sketchier people are defending iGrok and voting for amazingxkcd. Thus we lynch iGrok. I was definitely one of those guilty of thinking that they were both mafia. Mostly this was because I was lazy and didn't really think it through, but part of it was me being confused by xkcd's excessively long analysis post filled with bad analysis. I remembered iGrok doing something like it on day 1, so I wasn't really sure what to think about him. + Show Spoiler + -for those who already believe iGrok is scum, this close lynch should only confirm that for you. Mafia are scrambling to win this lynch. That means you need to look carefully at who is defending him or just avoiding analyzing him. Naturally, some townies will be defending him, but these will generally at least explain their thoughts and reasoning in a believable manner (though it can be hard to identify that in a game full of new players...). As it turns out, almost the entire mafia team has already identified themselves in this way (munk-e hasn’t posted on day 2 yet as of the time of this writing...) Read on to see how. while it turned out that the entire mafia team did vote xkcd to try to save iGrok, I had become very suspect of the mafia and whether they were actually playing optimally or even in their best interest. After all, why would they double hit you (GGQ) on day 1. That just makes no sense at all. Did they really think your analysis was that dangerous that they had to remove you? Given how correct you were, maybe that was something that iGrok et. al. were cognizant of, but it just didn't make much sense. Given this sub-optimal play, all the mafia having voted for xkcd wasn't such a sure thing to me. I kind of would like to know what a more experienced observer/participant thinks about this. + Show Spoiler + -aprudds: probably the hardest one to catch, but the first that should have raised suspicions. While town talk is about iGrok’s suspiciousness and whether to lynch him, aprudds says only that my case on him was good with no further explanation or follow through, then proceeds to throw accusations around on drazerk and xkcd and jackal, trying to find another target. Avoids actually discussing iGrok or the arguments against him. Remember that he defended lafali on day 1 as well To be honest, he was the first one I was actually suspicious of in the game because of his day 1 accusation of freeloader. In fact I actually voted for him at first. However, iGrok acted more suspicious and given aprudds limited participation, I figured if he is mafia, then at least he's not trying to mislead or confuse town, so he'd be a lower priority lynch. After the day 2 voting fiasco and all the modkills, he kind of just drifted out of my consideration. Fortunately he reappeared on the defend lafali/vote for xkcd list. + Show Spoiler + -grush, spike, and amazingall: all three bandwagon on xkcd while bringing nothing new against either iGrok or xkcd. Another theme for all three players is that they say something like ‘the case against iGrok is good’ or ‘GGQ’s analysis of iGrok can’t be ignored’ or some shit like that to make it seem like they are at least considering iGrok as a suspect, while in reality they all just vote immediately for xkcd and defended iGrok afterwards. This should ring major alarm bells. They’ve decided before the fact that they are going to defend iGrok and vote xkcd but they don’t want it to look that way I realized this too, but I really didn't put 2 and 2 together to realize what this meant. The nagging issue of I'm not experienced, so I don't really know how people would normally act/are expected to act really got me here. Fortunately, we got lucky in that they either modkilled themselves or drew enough suspicion from others. + Show Spoiler + -now, I’m not saying you should have picked these guy out as the scum right away, I doubt I would have gotten all of them either. There were several other people who seemed like they would have been suspicious to me if I didn’t already know the role list. These include impervious who ignored the events of the night and the iGrok issue and instead tried to get everyone to post their experience (“Contributing without contributing”), heist who had his vote on someone irrelevant, and perhaps cherubael for voting xkcd without explanation. Some people suspected Treadmill for constantly defending iGrok, but even though he was wrong about pretty much everything on day 2, the tone and motivation of his posts were clearly townie. But the way that most of the mafia players are making posts trying to make it look like they are doing something that they actually arent should be the red light telling you to lynch them. lol impervious was on my list too. In any case that's some interesting advice that I'll keep in mind going forward. + Show Spoiler + -also, jackal is not scummy in this game. Yeah he played quite poorly on day 2, doing more or less nothing. But his decision to lynch rookie on day 1, while it was a poor read, had no mafia motivation; there was no other lynch or valuable discussion going on that needed to be diverted. Votes were split etc etc I was so sure that he town that it didn't even occur to me that a vigi would kill him. Given that the list of "experienced" mafia players outlined by iGrok, cross-referenced with looking back at old mafia games, it just didn't make sense for both him and iGrok to be mafia. And he was, I was almost sure that jackal would have been the godfather. + Show Spoiler + -so munk-e ended up coming in at the last moment and finishing the lynch on xkcd instead of iGrok. When iGrok flips red, that’s suspicious enough, but the fact that both days he’s lurked until the very end, then come in with one post and a vote to avoid modkill should raise eyebrows. I'm really proud of myself for having picked up on this!! seeing lafali modkill himself by voting late and then TheAwesomeALL stating in the ban list thread (I was just looking at his post history) that he had been trying to vote at the last minute but forgot really sealed the deal for me on Munk-E. Unfortunately, I got night killed after pointing this out. -night 2; it should be clear with xkcd flipping town that iGrok must be mafia. vigis should shoot immediately, and investigations should begin into the people who defended iGrok and voted for xkcd + Show Spoiler + -ok so apparently iGrok is getting killed instead now. weird and wild. But with him flipping red, there is more than enough evidence out there for a skilled vigilante to shoot grush/spike/awesomeall tonight. munk-e would be a good dt check, and while aprudds has done a good job blending in with his posts, he now shows up on the lafali defense list, iGrok’s don’t lynch list, and the xkcd lynch list. That’s enough to call for a dt check too. Good luck. -jackal is looking worse and worse as the game goes on. What’s up man? Not really interested in this game? -jackal was shot, but everyone seems to be pretty much on the right track for now. I’ll probably stop writing this unless something unexpected happens. After iGrok got lynched and 4 mafia got modkilled, it was basically GG and it seemed as though everyone lost interest in the game. Anyway, thanks for your notes GGQ, some really insightful stuff. I now know who's history to follow to learn how to play this game. | ||
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On June 16 2011 21:44 Barundar wrote: I haven't read the game, but Kurumi is by far the most chaotic player I have played with. It's not all bad though, sometimes throwing stones around provides results. What did he do that was so terrible? On June 16 2011 21:10 supersoft wrote: I don't know where all the hate for Kurumi comes from. Everyone has his own playstyle. I like Kurumis style. He is unpredictable and that's not a bad thing in mafia. Playing with kurumi is like playing one of those obnoxious terrans who SCV rushes you and flies their CC into a corner of the map and then BMs you while you waste 10-15 minutes realizing exactly what he did then tech up to void ray/corruptor/viking to go deal with him. Sure it's technically a way to play but it isn't good play, it isn't a winning strategy and it is really annoying to just about everyone else. His actions don't help town, as they're a huge distraction which can lead town to waste a vote on him or some random townie. His actions don't help the mafia as they are far too disorganized and devoid of strategy. He's basically just the village idiot who you have to learn to ignore. | ||
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On June 17 2011 00:39 iGrok wrote: 1) Day 1 we let play out as it is. Nothing is really being done. I'll analyze Kurumi as a Red - hopefully that will provoke him. Odd #s, agree with me, not too strongly though. #8 advocate a lynch of him, or a detective check if we lynch someone else. #2/4/6 disagree with me publicly. wait, didn't you analyze Kurumi as town? That was way before the rookie thing even came up. 3) Our N1 targets will be GGQ, Jackal, and Vain. We should double-stack GGQ to be sure he dies (use two hits on him). He is by far the strongest mafia player here. I'll frame Kurumi and hope he gets checked xD Ahh, I finally understand why you guys double hit GGQ, it allows one of the mafia to claim vet/medic. I had been wondering about this since day 2, since I really didn't buy that eliminating a strong player early on was a sufficiently good reason to eliminate someone (however, GGQ's response to this point in an earlier post suggests that it might actually be). 3) I have already crumbed that I am a vigilante - dw about where I will show you in time ^^. The point is that I can back up my claim. I will be calling for a DT Check on myself N1, since I can assign my role to return Vigi - hopefully this will also draw a DT into the open! I will claim at the start of D2, claiming a hit and that I was protected. I will then pull medic attention. My reasoning will be "Now town gets 2 lynches and a confirmed Blue". I'll play it semi-democratically as well - obviously I won't shoot you but I can't go against everyone if they unite (which they won't). This also gives one of you reason to claim medic. DON'T claim it D2 or even D3 unless things really change. Clear it here first before claiming ANYTHING. 4) As a confirmed Vigi, I'll draw medic protects away from other targets who we'll be hitting. This way we won't have to worry about double-stacking after N1. I'll also have an even more powerful voice in the Town ^^. I don't think anyone picked up on your crumbles. I don't really understand this. You were talking way too much and drawing way too much attention to be a blue in my mind. I have a suspicion that gtrsrs is blue. Possibly vigilante. He would be a good RB target. I really don't get this read. Especially considering this was a newbie mafia, there is no way gtrsrs was a blue and was drawing so much attention. I think both this point and the one above are misplays/misreads on your part in the sense that you expect/allow for blues to be more outspoken then I think it is reasonable. I think Jackal is green. We have 3 kp. We need to doublestack GGQ, both in case theres another medic and in case hes a Vigi. GGQ is a damn good town player, unlike Jackal whos a really good scum player :p. Doublestacking will also hide a KP, and let me claim that I was protected last night. This will be misinformation and will raise false hope for the town. Vain will be a problem if he is a DT. Maybe RB him as well? Other than that, idk... hitting treadmill seems obvious, but perhaps we should wait until N2 to do that. So I guess as of the end of night 1 you had no idea how much trouble you were in/about to be in. GGQ's dying post really did you in. I know how to save myself, and cause utter confusion in town. IF I'M IN THE LEAD OR TIED AT 6 HOURS TO LYNCH, I'm going to claim vigilante. I will use my first-post crumb as evidence. I will say that I'm sure I'll be hit by mafia tonight anyways, so that why I don't mind stepping forward. I'll offer a popular-vote kill on whoever the town as a collective wants dead. Lets do the math on that. Some iterations of my planning as the game progressed. The rookie bandwagon came around and messed up the first one, only to make things even better. Spoiler 3 should explain how the Votecount situation completely screwed us. The miscounting didn't happen until the final tally, so I don't really buy that it caused the mafia to fail to save you iGrok. However, two of the mafia not voting period most certainly did screw you over as their votes could have swayed it in favor of xkcd, but at that point all of the mafia would have voted for xkcd and that would have been the end. | ||
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On June 17 2011 03:00 GGQ wrote: I think it's just this part that he's calling you a douchebag for. While you were right about iGrok, you didn't do a lot of convincing for the other townies. My advice to you would be to work on having a stronger thread presence. "Thread presence" is an interesting concept that hasn't really been thoroughly analyzed in any of the guides as far as I've seen. The cool thing about it is that it isn't really correlated with how much or even what you say. It is also interesting how one can gain thread presence or lose it simply by what others say. I mean let's consider this past game and some of the players that had (and didn't have) thread presence for different reasons: Kurumi Kurumi is a case where having a lot to say and engaging with a number of people doesn't necessarily give you thread presence. He started right off the bat making a number of accusations and drawing a lot of attention. But as soon as people picked up on this and as soon as it was pointed out that he has a history of nonsense posting. He was immediately relegated to the village idiot, and no accusation he made carried any weight anymore. This is important because in order for you to be able to apply pressure on mafia, your accusation has to mean something. GGQ GGQ is sort of a counter point to Kurumi. He really didn't post a whole lot, but all of them carried a lot meaning. Quite frankly, one of his posts basically set in motion the events that ultimately won town the game. If anyone "single-handedly" won us the game, it was him. So how was he able to do it? Well first off, he had to make good posts that carried good analysis. But I don't really think this was the key point (see jackal bellow). The key moment in establishing himself was actually iGrok gifting him thread presence by stating that he was an experienced player who knew what he was doing, and no one challenged this (see vain bellow). jackal In this game, jackal really didn't do much, yet was able cause a day 1 lynch with one post. His analysis wasn't anything spectacular and he didn't really do much to establish himself as having thread presence, so why did everyone bandwagon with him? Well because iGrok said he was a good player and no one challenged this. This is a clear example of how one can give someone else cred. jackal is also a clear example of why one must be cognizant of their thread presence. One post by him was able to set of a bandwagon, and the mafia didn't even have to do anything. vain Vain is sort of the counter example to one gets thread presence simply by having someone else give it to them. iGrok included vain in his list of experienced players, but it really didn't feel like he had any thread presence at all throughout the game. While some of this could be attributed to GGQ drawing suspicion on him, that doesn't really explain day 1. After the role list came out, it became clear what was going on. Vain was a medic. Basically, he didn't want/need thread presence so he didn't really do or say much. Ultimately, I think he played his role perfectly (except for protecting kurumi). He allowed just enough suspicion to be placed on him that mafia wouldn't kill him, but not enough that town would lynch him. iGrok iGrok is an interesting case because he was actively seeking thread presence and in a way he got it, however it quickly backfired. He began by distinguishing himself with haikus. This immediately made him stand out, which was his goal I guess. At this point he sort of claimed experience and with his thread presence basically established several other players as being experienced as well. Then he pushed it too far. His long analysis of kurumi (who had nothing said nothing worthy of being analyzed), asking for others' opinions of his analysis, asking for an analysis of himself - all of these things really felt like he was just trying to lead discussion without actually doing anything. And ultimately, none of his accusations or efforts to draw negative attention on anyone were really all that successful. Newbie that I am read it as him being a self-important douche, but GGQ read it correctly as him being the GF. So what have I learned from this game? 1. There are a couple ways to gain immediate presence: - spam/active posting - do something cutesy or unique - be given it by someone else 2. Each of these can backfire or cause you to lost thread presence if pushed too hard: - spam too much and you'll be lynched or ignored - act overly cutesy and you'll draw the wrong kind of attention - lying low can shed yourself of attention/presence 3. I feel like this can be applied to scum strategy, particular in cases where not everyone knows each other. If iGrok really wanted to gain town cred/thread presence, he probably should have had one of the other mafia be the one that established him as an experienced player (sort of the Julius Caesar approach). If you look at the impact to post count ratio of GGQ and jackal and compare it to iGrok, it's really astounding. I mean even after GGQ was dead, his post was being quoted and his points restated well into the third day. Well anyway, I think I've just about milked this game of everything I can from the town's perspective. | ||
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Pruds 06-08-2011 03:22 AM ET (US) Pyo is either veteran or completely retarded. He's practically asking for a shot and that means he either wants to take it or die. Look at his posts. I knew I was in danger. I realized I was coming off as too obviously town, but given that i was green townie, it might have been a good thing anyway. Pruds 06-08-2011 12:50 PM ET (US) Kurumi is retarded lol. His posts make no sense. There are so many of these posts, I can't help but laugh. Pruds 06-08-2011 04:21 PM ET (US) LOL I even got Pyo derailed off igrok lol, this was masterfully done. Now I know what to look out for. The sudden surge in activity should have been really telling. iGrok 06-09-2011 11:20 PM ET (US) he's doing it right now -_- I can count too, and I counted 12-11 xkcd lol, fail. Pruds 06-09-2011 11:28 PM ET (US) if xkcd was any smart, he would unvote jackal and vote you grok QFT Grush57 06-10-2011 12:02 PM ET (US) nvm found it. ill rb pyo just cuz. lol Looking back, TheAwesomeAll and 35spike had some really obvious tells that no one really picked up on. Some of Munk-E's posting was a little bizarre too. By the end, I was sure he was scum, but some of his posts were so pro-town to the point that they kind of screwed over the mafia a little. All in all, I'd say mafia MVP goes to appruds. Definitely the brains of their outfit (sorry iGrok ). | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:58 gtrsrs wrote: and i'm glad you approved of my bulldogging. i feel like when iGrok *stopped* posting haiku's at my request was when i knew i had him by the balls. if *i* then toned down my attitude at others requests, i was just as scummy as him, trying to save my own skin instead of playing for the greater good of the town Actually, iGrok stopped posting haikus because the other mafia (Munk-E) told him to stop because it was stupid. | ||
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