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On February 28 2011 21:27 gryffindor wrote: you cut off the part of the PM i was referring to would you like me to get it? it is trivial for me, as I find you to be town, but if you are really going to be pushing for lynches during the night, I might have to actually do that. How about, since you are seemingly deadset on my lynch, you respond to my wall from a page ago, as opposed to bringing up things that occurred days ago?thanks Because you never responded to the stuff that occurred days ago. Why should I just forget about it? Once again, I did not cut anything from the PMs I posted. | ||
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-Fucked up and didn't realise it OR -You're trying to wiggle your way out of a lie like with the 'sarcasm' Here is my post, read it PROPERLY: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=36#708 Notice that I did post the conversation about Orgah. you can try, but i don't believe you'll have support, as a lot of good players view me as town you are pushing me for very silly reasoning, and a personal feel you played with me as a SK, and you pushed the cell idea in Orgah (supposedly, or so you said in PM, do you dispute that?) You also backed it up here. I killed you as scum, when you were the godfather, in orgah. Sure, you are playing differently here than there, but you had red text creating your play there. You could easily be lurking/tunneling/pushing me actively just to appear like you are scumhunting when you are, actually, in fact, not. See above Deconduo pushing me is because he has a pretty funny PM in my inbox, from my perspective. I don't believe he is scum, though, due to meta, or I would have been pushing him. No, I'm pushing you because you lied, threatened and have been playing thoroughly untownlike. Your opinions on everything switch every 10 seconds. You've been antagonising me on purpose for whatever reason. Also, as I said before I've posted every PM I we've had. Pretty good reason for voting you no? you appear to be actively lurking, and tunneling, from my perspective of course it's easy for me to pick up on this, as it's me you're tunneling on. As I said on friday I was going home for the weekend and would be on less. I'm back now. In addition, EU timezone makes it harder to be active as I'm asleep when most of the action is going on. Look at any other game I've played in. Also, I'm not tunnelling you. I have voiced FOSes on other people, even voted for LSB last lynch due to his hugely flawed defence against Barundar. You have just been the scummiest player from my point of view. (See above) No, I really didn't. Deconduo was talking about how he proposed the cell idea from Orgah, where he was scum, and he also supported said idea here, making it look like he was scum. How is that lying? You lied about me editing/cutting PMs. Admit you were wrong and apologise and I'll forget about the PM thing and the blackmail for now. However you still haven't answered as to why you went from going after GMarshal for the cells idea to proposing it as your own... | ||
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On February 28 2011 23:57 LSB wrote: I feel ignored www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=50#991 Missed that one  | ||
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On February 28 2011 04:25 LSB wrote: There is a difference, and it's not what you say. They arguments are similar as both of them 1) Make assumptions on RoL's picks 2) Assume that Foolishness is mafia There is a few differences. My support of foolishness is weak, I recongnize that the argument shouldn't go far Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia. In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument. Lets look at the important part of the post: On February 28 2011 02:09 LSB wrote: In fact, you did the exact same thing. You trusted Foolishness with Absolute no behavior support and accused me of being scum for doing the same You were very selective, here is the full quote from Barundar: On February 27 2011 01:43 Barundar wrote: Looking over the lynch again, we got off way too easy. Several people called annul out asking for better reasoning and posts, or at least some sort of defense. A good part of his votes was basicly people who didn’t know who else to put their vote on, finding his defense lacking or his posting obstructive. It was by no means a strong bandwagon, and I believe that if annul had really wanted he could have saved himself. Heck, if I had been on his team I would have pressured him to defend himself better as to not die to a weak lynch. No strong counter bandwagon appeared. His goodbye post was not concerned, and he even wished town good luck, wtf? When we got him in mafia xxxv he kicked up a fight and wrote a very emotional goodbye post. At the same time it’s clear from the night hits that we have at least 1 experienced analysist on the scum team. The only really experienced players in the game are LSB and Foolishness. LSB is the most suspicious of the 2. He wasn’t the first to get suspicious of annul, or to call him out on his bad play, but he tried to take full credit for the lynch, asking for medic protection instantly. This is exactly how a mafia who has just bussed his team mate will act. LSB had a possible scumslip to boot: Foolishness on the other hand voted annul to pressure him. He later changed his vote to pressure seraph, and left it there until the lynch. If I was mafia buddy with annul I would have left my vote on him to get town cred or to try and save him. FoS LSB My point still stands. | ||
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Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia. Nope, he uses the kill pattern as the central assumption. Not how ROL would pick the mafia teams.In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument. Different points. Barundar's argument: Due to the kill pattern, mafia must have an experienced player. LSB and Foolishness are the only two candidates, and LSB has been much scummier than Foolishness. Your interpretation: Barundar trusts Foolisness blindly. Your reason for trusting Foolishness: RoL wouldn't make him mafia. | ||
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On March 01 2011 00:13 LSB wrote: That I responded to again... I don't want to dig it up. Firstly, you didn't respond to any part of my post just threw up another post pretending it disproved it Yes I did. I clarified there. Secondly, to say that is the central analysis of the post is plain silly Didn't say this Thirdly, to say that not voting for annul = town is silly I agree. But once again, taken out of context. | ||
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On March 01 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote: I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped. And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM. Have fun. We got scum here folks. Here was the post in question: On February 25 2011 00:46 deconduo wrote: I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you, i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched. ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched. How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in. -Your 'explanation' was mafia would use it to destroy town at end game. I gave you an example of your supposed endgame situation. You completely ignored it and simple put it down to opinion. | ||
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On March 01 2011 00:33 LSB wrote: Sorry, I gave barundar more credit for his argument than it was do Umm... So more unsupport arguments? It doesn't take a genious to take a gun to Priority 2 players who probably weren't medic protected. Why do I have to be at the helm of any intresting play? In addtion, that is one gigantic WIFORM Lets assume that LSB is scum That means foolishness is town Which means LSB is scum. My biggest problem with you wasn't Barun's analysis. It was the way you defended yourself from it with a completely bad argument. If his argument was so full of holes or so terrible, why attack that minor point with such flawed reasoning. Also that you ignored my post, but I was wrong about that sorry | ||
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On March 01 2011 00:34 gryffindor wrote: Deconduo, I admit that you posted the majority of our PM conversations, but I recall feeling you left something out. Perhaps I was wrong, but it's way more of a big deal to you than me, apparently, since I'm so "scummy". Well of course it was a big deal to me. You claimed I edited/cut PMs when I did not and then IGNORED ME when I called you out on it. @Gmarshal, I like your defense of your view on Icemac @Deconduo, in relation to the cell idea, I misunderstood it at first. I thought it was for selective claiming. After I realized it wasn't, I wanted to propose a counter-list, as I thought that it was likely GMarshal, you, and annul were scum at the time. Perhaps I'm getting one of you confused with Chaoser? Fair enough As it is, though, I am not as suspicious | ||
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On March 01 2011 00:38 gryffindor wrote: Also, I knew the list I made was completely randomized, whereas GMarshal had admitted to tweaking his. Is it sad that I am almost as afraid, if not moreso, of dying to a terrible vigilante shot? @Vig, if you are going to hit me, claim in thread beforehand so you can be clear and lead a lynch tomorrow. Why not go with the 1-3, 4-6, 7-9 etc, which could not be set up by anyone? | ||
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On March 01 2011 00:46 gryffindor wrote: that's actually a good idea, though I admittedly hadn't thought of that. It was posted quite a few times in response to GMarshal... | ||
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On March 01 2011 01:03 LSB wrote: Deconduo. Do you have a scum read on me? Or do you just want to criqute my posting style? And you still ignore my posts where I explain the reasoning is perfectly rational. Your chasing a ghost that doesn't exist I don't know is it my wording or way of posting but it just feels that no one is understanding what my arguments are. Either that or you are avoiding them by being obtuse on purpose. You said Barun was being hypocritical by calling you scummy for assuming Foolishness's innocence while doing the same himself. I explained why the two situations were different. You based your assumption on what the host would do. Barun did not in fact assume Foolishness was innocent, merely much less scummy than you. I don't know how this could be taken otherwise. I do FoS you over this situation. There are other things pointing at you, but this is the main issue I have. I disagree that your reasoning is perfectly rational. | ||
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I FoS you over your reaction/defence. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 02:09 LSB wrote: Barundar's contradiction (again) So we can't speculate about role picks? Oh look what you did yourself In fact, you did the exact same thing. You trusted Foolishness with Absolute no behavior support and accused me of being scum for doing the same -You claimed Barun speculated on rolepicks when he did not -You claimed Barun trusted Foolishness with no reasoning My response: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 02:15 deconduo wrote: Flawed/bad argument. You claimed host wouldn't pick Foolishness as mafia. He claimed there was an experienced player due to the play, and that you and Foolishness were the 2 most experienced. Theres a big difference. -I explain the difference between the two quotes. One is based of 'what host would do' Other is based of off looking at kills. I never say that Barun's method was good or bad, just a lot different to what you did and to what you claim it to be. Your response: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 04:25 LSB wrote: There is a difference, and it's not what you say. They arguments are similar as both of them 1) Make assumptions on RoL's picks 2) Assume that Foolishness is mafia There is a few differences. My support of foolishness is weak, I recongnize that the argument shouldn't go far Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia. In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument. -1)Barun made no assumption on picks -2)Barun did not assume Foolishness was town. Merely that at least one of you is mafia, and that you were scummier. As far as I can see he never discounted a situation where both of you are mafia, Even if that was the case, he would still have cause to push you (obviously) and so its irrelevent. Maybe I'm assuming too much from his point of view and should let him speak himself. Thats the case as I see it however. | ||
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On March 01 2011 08:38 LSB wrote: Hmmm... If you think so... Wait what??? No assumptions on pics? Have you been ignoring EVERYTHING I POSTED? Barun assumed one of you were mafia because of the kills. Because of the kills. Because of the kills. Because of the kills. Its come up about twenty times. How hard is it to drill this into your brain. It even came up in THAT POST! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The Axis: Lunar, Seraph, JBright These guys have been lumped together as scum by the allies. To be honest, I feel the case against them is weak at best, but I'm not very good at scumhunting. Still, I don't think Lunar responded too well to the case against him. He also has enough experience to know that self-voting and defeatism is somewhat of a town tell. Seraph had a similar amount of posts in Pokemafia and only slightly more in XXXV at this point (30 vs 50) JBright I dunno, don't have a read on him really. The Allies: Foolishness, Ser Aspi, LSB Ser Aspi is pretty obviously parroting what Foolishness has said. I put LSB in this group due to Foolishness swooping in out of nowhere to save his ass by switching the bandwagon to LD. I think if Foolishness is mafia then I'd be pretty certain about the other two as well. Not the other way around however. Similarly if Lunar is mafia I'd probably cross off Foolishness and LSB. I doubt mafia would bus two days in a row. The weird posting: Gryff, Coag, Bumatlarge, Jackal58 Gryff should be obvious. Coag has 110 posts in the game, all of them one liners. He has voted for people without explanation or reasoning. Bum has so few posts in the game I'm surprised no one has picked up on it. If Foolishness is focusing on different playstyles, this should be pretty obvious yet he hasn't mentioned it at all. Jackal is here because of his bizarre opinions on posting PMs and use of logic. Lurking: ohN - 4 posts, not short ones but nothing big enough to get noticed. Said he would contribute more but hasn't so far. why - Seems to sheep a fair bit. He hasn't really offered any of his own opinions as far as I can see, just tagged on to others. Not a lot of posts. LastA - Has some opinions at least, not a lot of posts either though. Cubed - Somewhat inactive also, but has an excuse. kevconsim - More posts than the rest but mostly spam/one liners. Others: GMarshal, chaoser, Barundar If anything, my gut says they are more likely to be town. Voting patterns: + Show Spoiler + Same votes: LSB: Annul, Icemac chaoser: annul, Icemac Gryff: annul, icemac Cubed: annul, icemac kevconsim: annul, icemac Coag: gryff, JBright Jackal58: gryff, Jbright Axis of evil? Lunar: Icemac, Lunar Seraph: Ican, Icemac JBright: JBright, Icemac One green Ican/bum: icemac, LSB why: Icemac, Lunar Ser Aspi: Mr Wig, Lunar One red decon: annul, LSB Unknown Foolishness: Seraph, LD Barundar: Jackal, LSB LastA: ican, LSB GMarshal:Ican, JBright ohn: gryff, Lunar Mafia kills*: Darmousseh: annul Kitaman27: darmousseh Mr. Wiggles: annul Kenpachi: kenpachi, icemac Beneather: icemac, icemac OriginalName: icemac, lunar *Possible vig day 2 Other: + Show Spoiler + Vig claiming now would be kind of reassuring. Don't forget that you are essentially a normal townie now so theres no real reason to stay quiet. If there was no vig shot then we are very close to lylo judging by the KP. Either that or one of LSB/Jackal is lying about being roleblocked for whatever reason. The kills last night were strange also. None of the three had been doing anything interesting and curiously, none of them had voted for annul in the day 1 lynch. In addition they had all been voting for town, except possibly ON's 2nd vote. | ||
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Between the three I think I'd be most suspicious of Lunar. Similar to LSB I don't think he defended himself well against the accusation. Vote:LunarDestiny | ||
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On March 02 2011 09:01 LSB wrote: I agree 4 KP is overpowered, but I do believe that Jackal is telling the truth. I still think we should lynch Barundar. My points about him forcing analysis still stands. Or we should check out the Iceman lynch day 1 to see if it was actually a bus by mafia. People who voted for annul day 1: LSB, chaoser, Gryff, Cubed, kevconsim, me. Note that apart from me all of these voted for icemac on day 2. If it was a bus then this would be a group to look at very closely. People who voted for icemac day 1: Lunar, bum*, why *was icanfly at this point I think. | ||
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On March 02 2011 10:05 kevconsim wrote: ## Vote JBright Out of everyone who has been posting i have been suspicious of him since yesterday. I guess we will see. Why are you suspicious of him? | ||
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