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On December 20 2010 01:26 Node wrote:
Now that I've seen comments from both of them, allow me to fess up. Know that I am doing this not to save myself, but to keep town from lynching DCLXVI and Eiii. First, understand where I'm coming from.
I am in fact Alakazam.
I lied about who I checked. Yeah yeah, I know, LAL, but hear me out.
Night 1 I checked Insanious. Night 2 I checked Brocket. Night 3 I was roleblocked, and Insanious and Brocket died. Everything I had done up until that point in the game was invalidated, and I had good reason to believe that I would be killed on the following night. (clearly, mafia had an inkling that I'm blue) By lying, I was hoping that a) if they were scum, they would do something stupid or b) they would be forced to roleclaim and give town more clear lynch targets.
I do believe that DCL and Eiii are innocent, now. DCL's frankness regarding his bombs, and the rise of Eiii combined with the lack of other players coming out of nowhere to defend them have me fairly certain that they're town. Think about it: town has figured out on their own that the best lynch would be me and DCL. Two town-aligned players. It would give mafia the win. That's why we've seen nothing in the way of interference so far.
Wait what????? You go from your half assed lie of:
"I checked 2 reds the first two nights then sat on them instead of doing what a real dt would do and reveal them day 3"
To this?
I really wish I could've posted that before you wriggled out of that lie, but I was too late. Now you are trying to shift the lynch off of you and try to make me agree with it by calling me townie? Your story now is that you checked two useless players and got roleblocked so you cannot provide us with any information? Also you plan was to fish for our roles? To see if there were any more chanseys/dt's you needed to kill? Frankly I don't buy this story either. Town do the right thing and lynch this lying scum.
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On December 19 2010 21:47 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 16:41 DCLXVI wrote:On December 19 2010 16:37 Gabriel wrote:
I think Node and Dinmsab do the trick for me. Suggestions? would you mind restating your suspicion on dinmsab? Not to knock on your scum hunting, but this is too important to risk on a hunch. What makes dinmsab stand out? Gabe hates me for voting him, that is all there is to it. I've always voted gabe because early on non of the arguments were convincing to me, I was probably the only dude or so actually voting for the dude to get lynched. Despite how much hate he gives me, deep inside I still love gabe and his silly arguments. Gabe for president. <3
Nice to see you say something. We haven't heard from in you in what, a dozen pages? Your defense is "this is just an OMGUS vote". Very convincing. How about elaborating on your play style or his? Just saying "he is scummy" and then voting for him every day is not something I would expect from a townie. Time to pressure you into actually taking a stance on something important.
*Time to vote
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On December 20 2010 03:08 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 01:26 Node wrote:
Now that I've seen comments from both of them, allow me to fess up. Know that I am doing this not to save myself, but to keep town from lynching DCLXVI and Eiii. First, understand where I'm coming from.
I am in fact Alakazam.
I lied about who I checked. Yeah yeah, I know, LAL, but hear me out.
Night 1 I checked Insanious. Night 2 I checked Brocket. Night 3 I was roleblocked, and Insanious and Brocket died. Everything I had done up until that point in the game was invalidated, and I had good reason to believe that I would be killed on the following night. (clearly, mafia had an inkling that I'm blue) By lying, I was hoping that a) if they were scum, they would do something stupid or b) they would be forced to roleclaim and give town more clear lynch targets.
I do believe that DCL and Eiii are innocent, now. DCL's frankness regarding his bombs, and the rise of Eiii combined with the lack of other players coming out of nowhere to defend them have me fairly certain that they're town. Think about it: town has figured out on their own that the best lynch would be me and DCL. Two town-aligned players. It would give mafia the win. That's why we've seen nothing in the way of interference so far. Wait what????? You go from your half assed lie of: "I checked 2 reds the first two nights then sat on them instead of doing what a real dt would do and reveal them day 3" To this? I really wish I could've posted that before you wriggled out of that lie, but I was too late. Now you are trying to shift the lynch off of you and try to make me agree with it by calling me townie? Your story now is that you checked two useless players and got roleblocked so you cannot provide us with any information? Also you plan was to fish for our roles? To see if there were any more chanseys/dt's you needed to kill? Frankly I don't buy this story either. Town do the right thing and lynch this lying scum.
As I said, I'm okay with being lynched at this point as I recanted in order to keep you and Eiii from being lynched -- I recognize that what I did was super scummy.
But surely you realize that by lynching you (presuming you are Electrode) could very well win mafia the game at the end of the day. Why would I try to prevent that at this point? The dominant thought seemed to be lynch me and you. If I was mafia and had any sense at all, I would have let that happen. I know, I know, it's WIFOM, but getting mad hatter lynched didn't win salem mafia for town, and I doubt mafia would be opposed to trying that again here.
And also ask, where is the other DT then, hm? Surely a counter-claim against mine would have held substantial credibility.
I figured I was going to die tonight anyways. If I could claim and get a couple of townies confirmed out of it, then it would be worth it.
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No, if you really are a DT you would not be ok with being lynched. Read LSB's posts on how it will turn out for us if we lynch a blue/green today. We go into a LYLO situation if we mess up the lynches today. Confirming a few greens is not worth lynching a townie at this point, so I cannot believe you were trying to help the town.
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Actually, if he's the dt, he knows that he's dead tonight.
I still don't trust DCLXVI.
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On December 19 2010 21:47 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 16:41 DCLXVI wrote:On December 19 2010 16:37 Gabriel wrote:
I think Node and Dinmsab do the trick for me. Suggestions? would you mind restating your suspicion on dinmsab? Not to knock on your scum hunting, but this is too important to risk on a hunch. What makes dinmsab stand out? Gabe hates me for voting him, that is all there is to it. I've always voted gabe because early on non of the arguments were convincing to me, I was probably the only dude or so actually voting for the dude to get lynched. Despite how much hate he gives me, deep inside I still love gabe and his silly arguments. Gabe for president. <3
I love you too man. But have to realize that it is hard to put you as an apathic townie at this point, because you always voted quickly (i dont care who you voted). Given all the bullcrap we are getting now im going to re-state everything unless LSB comes with something incredible.
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On December 20 2010 04:10 LSB wrote:
Actually, if he's the dt, he knows that he's dead tonight.
I still don't trust DCLXVI.
My point is that it is infinitely better for him to die at mafia kp then town kp if he is town. Saying he is ok with being lynched is just wrong. He is just trying to confirm himself so he survives the lynch now, after his failed plan to get two townies lynched.
And what are you suspicious of now? Was this some elaborate plot where both of us are mafia and this was a method to confirm us? If that is the case then lynch him first, and if I am lying then you can have d3 hit me at night.
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Considering Brocket, Insasious, and kitaman27 were all on your tail yesterday about you being mafia, I wouldn't be surprised if that was true.
Although I do agree what Node did was unwise, it did force you to claim Hatter, and I'm not so sure about the validity of the claim
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I thinking about shipping the las DL. Town activity is so bad. And the last thing is Node has a very valid point in my book. We may as well lynch brownbear and dinmsab letting d3 put the hate on node/666.
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Well, if we're going to lynch lurkers, we'd better do it in a way that we can insure it is random
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On December 20 2010 04:28 LSB wrote:
Well, if we're going to lynch lurkers, we'd better do it in a way that we can insure it is random
Random? Why random?
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Because I'm super paranoid that your mafia and just picked two inactive townies
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On December 20 2010 04:46 LSB wrote:
Because I'm super paranoid that your mafia and just picked two inactive townies
Same here but im not giving up on Dinmsab. You can take the other are you ok about that?
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I'll do an analysis on dinmasab to see if what you're talking about is correct.
Brb
Btw
I've created a pastebin of the past 50 pages so it's easy to search through now that my "All" functionality is broken. http://pastebin.com/rhtjdf4b
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Is the list I posted earlier today good, and if so will we choose from amongst which parts of it ?(inactive/semi inactive)
Dinmsab/brownbear/oceanic/deconduo/GGQ/ and less so (eiii/chaoser/kthez)
after looking over dinmsab can you say whether you agree with my analysis on deconduo a little while ago? Also I am trying to figure out a good way to randomize it, without a good confirmed townie. Maybe d3 can do it?
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Analysis of dinmsab.
He hasn't helped town at all. I went through his posts and haven't found anything worth mentioning.
Maybe this.
On December 10 2010 13:03 dinmsab wrote:
Imo, I think it's inevitable to lynch inactives. I'm an amateur at this but in my last game I was mafia and I tried to stay low. So yeah, from my perspective inactives might be mafia, worse case scenario they're just bored pikachus. So not much harm there. Although if we have solid leads and clues on active players, I believe that should take priority.
All right, now to look at how he played other games
Incognito's TL Mafia XVI Townie. He makes 3 worthless posts.
+ Show Spoiler + On January 22 2010 02:14 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 02:08 Ng5 wrote:
Fine, then if I got the staff I would lynch the one with the least sense of humor? Yeah, you just sealed your fate right there. On January 23 2010 00:04 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 21:00 Ng5 wrote:So much for random lynching does the game bad.  It was nice to be eating popcorn and watching the elections on tv (can't stomach going to political stuff live) - and see all the faces after his face turned all green from lack of oxygen. Loud troublemakers are fun. At least you have some distraction - no matter which side you are. This lynch was brainless and didn't do any good. If you need to kill a bigmouth because you can't disregard them then don't run for power. And don't come to me with the just to ease the nerves bullshit. If the town is full of greens and blues who can't tell rosepetals from thorns we're all gonna die anyway. Peace.PS: Oh and look how much good it would have done if I've chosen sides already? Besides. Wisecracking and being cynical is cool. It's like dating. You never know what's up green, red or blue. PS2: I hope you'll lynch me next because I'm being a distraction now. It would be hilarious. Well worth dropping out of active play. Almost anything would get you lynched in this game, except for when your actually asking for it. On January 25 2010 22:47 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 16:22 JohannesH wrote:On January 25 2010 15:33 ghote wrote:
clues are our best bet on finding the mafia, looking at behavior is fine, but not if it gets in the way of putting the clues together, you cannot lynch somebody just based on their behavior, the clues are the only concrete link we have to people of the mafia, anything else is purely speculation No. Its just the other way around. Usually this game is played without any clues whatsoever. Clues help indeed, just don't trust them 100% for certain. Ignoring clues would be a total waste imo.
Red Army Mafia Spam, but I don’t know his alignment, so any read is probably usless
[GG] Team Liquid Mafia – Resurrection Mafia Leader.
Well he actually was active this game. And played good townie who listens to the town circle by supporting Ace.
+ Show Spoiler + On December 15 2008 06:50 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2008 03:01 Hyperbola wrote:
-also his name: Scaramanga, the liquid scars people, it even burns people's faces off.
-and also from his quote: "SaiR is next Bonjwa" it sounds a lot like “Your time of running things is over, our time is now”
It seems Scaramanga is actually our best bet to get a mafia.
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Everybody: switch your votes from folca! It does not matter how much of a jerk he was last game! With no clues against him, he is 80% most likely to be innocent. I was going to vote for Folca, but you Hyperbola changed my mind. Its true Folca is a jerk, but we cant just go kill off random townies if we're planning to win this. Good work Hyperbola. Spammny Vote reasons On December 16 2008 07:57 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 05:58 blue_arrow wrote:On December 16 2008 05:51 HeRoS)Pink wrote:On December 16 2008 05:39 Tensai176 wrote:
Yeah, it's good to be active as mafia are most likely to remain quiet. Not true,mafia are those who mostly agree with what someone said but never bring something new in every post they do or they could be people that constantly bring up 'new things' to confuse the town and weaken confidence and determination imo, at this rate mafia could be acting as either one of those... and i believe that blues are more likely to stay in the shadows and avoid the spotlight rather than mafia. Killing off inactive players is indeed a good move when you dont have any clues on what to do next, but that doesnt mean your going to get a guaranteed mafia kill. Right people should just do whatever Ace tells them too since he's the one making the most sense, but that doesnt mean we can trust him completely with a list of blues. Supports Ace, a townie, and his circle On December 17 2008 06:47 dinmsab wrote:Well, it cant be helped.. we were on a very good start when we got ver lynched with the help of ace, and now suddenly out of nowhere 2 DTs just got owned. Its just natural that people will shift their blame to someone.. and since Ace did most of the decision making and he was working with an "anonymous" dt, not to mention he is also likely to be with contact with most of the blues at this moment, people would shift their attention to him. Although i'd say we put our suspicions of ace on hold, and first continue to deal with the list that the dt gave us. Continues to support ace On December 18 2008 19:23 dinmsab wrote:Clear out the list first, like ace said its a guaranteed mafia hit. Then we can move on with the other suspects. Btw, assuming ace isnt lying to us, and indeed another medic appeared... then wouldnt it be wise if we kill atkzerg first? I dont think that townie claiming to be a medic would have any reason to lie about his position, unless he is a bored townie and just wants to see another medic dead. Follows Ace
Conclusion: Probably town: As mafia he put some effort into his posts.
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Gabriel, please explain these two posts
On December 19 2010 16:52 Gabriel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 16:41 DCLXVI wrote:On December 19 2010 16:37 Gabriel wrote:
I think Node and Dinmsab do the trick for me. Suggestions? would you mind restating your suspicion on dinmsab? Not to knock on your scum hunting, but this is too important to risk on a hunch. What makes dinmsab stand out? I have the strongest feeling that he is mafia because i played a game with him (i joined the mafia later in the game). In few words he just doesnt post at all (i think it was mafia resurrection with bc as host, i played under malongo id). Iif you look at his voting pattern he has been an early voter both times, hinting that he doesnt want to die to a modkill but that he is not interested into posting (he has like 3 posts). More than anything voting just too early for a bandwagonably (if thats a word) player (Gabriel). Now it is pretty clear that he is not blue and it doesnt make sense for him to be green. He is the kind of player that just afk in that case without voting.
On December 19 2010 15:45 Gabriel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 15:40 DCLXVI wrote:
Night 1 - place on gabriel
Night 2 place on shockeyy
night 3 move from gabriel to player y
as you may have noticed I didn't participate much in the shockeyy bandwagon because I had that covered, but... Wait. You had a bomb on shockeyy and me when shockeyy died. Why didnt you redirect the lynch on you at that stage? You could have roleclaimed at that time to clean up shockeyy and me protecting the SK that was helping the town. Never thought of it?
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On December 20 2010 05:11 LSB wrote:Analysis of dinmsab. He hasn't helped town at all. I went through his posts and haven't found anything worth mentioning. Maybe this. Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 13:03 dinmsab wrote:
Imo, I think it's inevitable to lynch inactives. I'm an amateur at this but in my last game I was mafia and I tried to stay low. So yeah, from my perspective inactives might be mafia, worse case scenario they're just bored pikachus. So not much harm there. Although if we have solid leads and clues on active players, I believe that should take priority. All right, now to look at how he played other games Incognito's TL Mafia XVI Townie. He makes 3 worthless posts. + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2010 02:14 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 02:08 Ng5 wrote:
Fine, then if I got the staff I would lynch the one with the least sense of humor? Yeah, you just sealed your fate right there. On January 23 2010 00:04 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 21:00 Ng5 wrote:So much for random lynching does the game bad. It was nice to be eating popcorn and watching the elections on tv (can't stomach going to political stuff live) - and see all the faces after his face turned all green from lack of oxygen. Loud troublemakers are fun. At least you have some distraction - no matter which side you are. This lynch was brainless and didn't do any good. If you need to kill a bigmouth because you can't disregard them then don't run for power. And don't come to me with the just to ease the nerves bullshit. If the town is full of greens and blues who can't tell rosepetals from thorns we're all gonna die anyway. Peace.PS: Oh and look how much good it would have done if I've chosen sides already? Besides. Wisecracking and being cynical is cool. It's like dating. You never know what's up green, red or blue. PS2: I hope you'll lynch me next because I'm being a distraction now. It would be hilarious. Well worth dropping out of active play. Almost anything would get you lynched in this game, except for when your actually asking for it. On January 25 2010 22:47 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 16:22 JohannesH wrote:On January 25 2010 15:33 ghote wrote:
clues are our best bet on finding the mafia, looking at behavior is fine, but not if it gets in the way of putting the clues together, you cannot lynch somebody just based on their behavior, the clues are the only concrete link we have to people of the mafia, anything else is purely speculation No. Its just the other way around. Usually this game is played without any clues whatsoever. Clues help indeed, just don't trust them 100% for certain. Ignoring clues would be a total waste imo. Spam, but I don’t know his alignment, so any read is probably usless [GG] Team Liquid Mafia – Resurrection Mafia Leader. Well he actually was active this game. And played good townie who listens to the town circle by supporting Ace. + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2008 06:50 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2008 03:01 Hyperbola wrote:
-also his name: Scaramanga, the liquid scars people, it even burns people's faces off.
-and also from his quote: "SaiR is next Bonjwa" it sounds a lot like “Your time of running things is over, our time is now”
It seems Scaramanga is actually our best bet to get a mafia.
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Everybody: switch your votes from folca! It does not matter how much of a jerk he was last game! With no clues against him, he is 80% most likely to be innocent. I was going to vote for Folca, but you Hyperbola changed my mind. Its true Folca is a jerk, but we cant just go kill off random townies if we're planning to win this. Good work Hyperbola. Spammny Vote reasons On December 16 2008 07:57 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 05:58 blue_arrow wrote:On December 16 2008 05:51 HeRoS)Pink wrote:On December 16 2008 05:39 Tensai176 wrote:
Yeah, it's good to be active as mafia are most likely to remain quiet. Not true,mafia are those who mostly agree with what someone said but never bring something new in every post they do or they could be people that constantly bring up 'new things' to confuse the town and weaken confidence and determination imo, at this rate mafia could be acting as either one of those... and i believe that blues are more likely to stay in the shadows and avoid the spotlight rather than mafia. Killing off inactive players is indeed a good move when you dont have any clues on what to do next, but that doesnt mean your going to get a guaranteed mafia kill. Right people should just do whatever Ace tells them too since he's the one making the most sense, but that doesnt mean we can trust him completely with a list of blues. Supports Ace, a townie, and his circle On December 17 2008 06:47 dinmsab wrote:Well, it cant be helped.. we were on a very good start when we got ver lynched with the help of ace, and now suddenly out of nowhere 2 DTs just got owned. Its just natural that people will shift their blame to someone.. and since Ace did most of the decision making and he was working with an "anonymous" dt, not to mention he is also likely to be with contact with most of the blues at this moment, people would shift their attention to him. Although i'd say we put our suspicions of ace on hold, and first continue to deal with the list that the dt gave us. Continues to support ace On December 18 2008 19:23 dinmsab wrote:Clear out the list first, like ace said its a guaranteed mafia hit. Then we can move on with the other suspects. Btw, assuming ace isnt lying to us, and indeed another medic appeared... then wouldnt it be wise if we kill atkzerg first? I dont think that townie claiming to be a medic would have any reason to lie about his position, unless he is a bored townie and just wants to see another medic dead. Follows Ace : As mafia he put some effort into his posts.
I don't know. It seems to me that behavior is dependent on the context of the game, and it's hard to draw conclusions from just a couple games.
I'm actually more suspicious of BrownBear. I know that he tends to be a lot more active and participatory as town.
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On December 20 2010 03:08 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 01:26 Node wrote:
Now that I've seen comments from both of them, allow me to fess up. Know that I am doing this not to save myself, but to keep town from lynching DCLXVI and Eiii. First, understand where I'm coming from.
I am in fact Alakazam.
I lied about who I checked. Yeah yeah, I know, LAL, but hear me out.
Night 1 I checked Insanious. Night 2 I checked Brocket. Night 3 I was roleblocked, and Insanious and Brocket died. Everything I had done up until that point in the game was invalidated, and I had good reason to believe that I would be killed on the following night. (clearly, mafia had an inkling that I'm blue) By lying, I was hoping that a) if they were scum, they would do something stupid or b) they would be forced to roleclaim and give town more clear lynch targets.
I do believe that DCL and Eiii are innocent, now. DCL's frankness regarding his bombs, and the rise of Eiii combined with the lack of other players coming out of nowhere to defend them have me fairly certain that they're town. Think about it: town has figured out on their own that the best lynch would be me and DCL. Two town-aligned players. It would give mafia the win. That's why we've seen nothing in the way of interference so far. Wait what????? You go from your half assed lie of: "I checked 2 reds the first two nights then sat on them instead of doing what a real dt would do and reveal them day 3" To this? I really wish I could've posted that before you wriggled out of that lie, but I was too late. Now you are trying to shift the lynch off of you and try to make me agree with it by calling me townie? Your story now is that you checked two useless players and got roleblocked so you cannot provide us with any information? Also you plan was to fish for our roles? To see if there were any more chanseys/dt's you needed to kill? Frankly I don't buy this story either. Town do the right thing and lynch this lying scum.
I don't know. I kind of agree with deconduo (who has popped out of the woodwork here) that Node's claim doesn't make much since from a mafia perspective. They are in a strong position right now and don't need to risk much, unless they're going for style. I dunno Node's meta though so IDK if he's the kind of player that does those sort of things.
What you say also makes sense though. Node's story is VERY convenient. Remember Pandain's "checks" from the Insane mafia game where he lied about very convenient checks? I get the same vibe from the checks Node says he made. Also did Node claim he was roleblocked before this post? If I was roleblocked I'd probably claim ASAP, since it gives the town information.
I'm undecided on this as of yet but either way Node lying doesn't help his case here.
I think we also need to look at inactives - BrownBear, Oceanic, chaoser, are names that have been bugging me.
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The chances of Node being mafia and just doing this to bury us are pretty low.
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