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Gabriel
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 17 2010 12:34 Coagulation wrote: "DONT LISTEN TO COAG HE SUCKS AT MAFIA" FANTASTIC OF YOU TO CLEAR THAT UP GRADE A DEFENSE 10/10 5STAR There is nothing to defend, I'm just saying you suck and you're making yourself look like an ass. Instead of yelling a ton of bullshit why don't you contribute something of value. Would that kill you? | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Funnily enough I know how Coagulation plays scum and this is it. If you consider this a "defense" of Pandain then you don't know what I'm saying. I'm not saying Pandain is definitely town, I'm saying your reasoning is stupid. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
why On December 11 2010 12:57 why wrote: Good point. Sorry about that. I like reasoned vote a lot. Of all of them I think that would result in the most discussion and more discussion is always better. On December 14 2010 14:49 why wrote: right, sorry I'm not used to this. Apologetic tone in most of his posts Being cautious On December 11 2010 16:06 why wrote: All my Harry Potter knowledge has gotten me is that whoever is Colin Creevey probably has the sample "Camera Fanatic" power. Speaking of which, anybody got any good ideas of in flavor power roles for the death eaters? It would be nice to have some idea of what they could be capable of. On December 13 2010 06:39 why wrote: If I recall correctly, Snape looked evil but was actually good. I could see him as a miller, but if he was he probably would have claimed already. On December 13 2010 06:52 why wrote: ^ this makes imperious curse unlikely since there are 8 confirmed death eaters. I guess one of the death eaters could have polyjuice potion or something. But I don't think any of the death eater characters are specifically associated with polyjuice potion like barty crouch jr would have been. On December 14 2010 15:23 why wrote: This is what annul said on page 25. 1. Substitution roles. 2. Protection roles 3. Investigation roles. 4. Non-standard kill roles. 5. Non-Voldemort standard mafia kills. 6. Voldemort's personal kill. On December 16 2010 13:23 why wrote: There are alternate win conditions. We know that when Beneather died, the alternate win count went down by 3. This suggested (to me) that there was a Ravenclaw shared victory (Mr. Zergling, as the 3rd member, is Roger Davies or Cho Chang). There could be a similar Gryffindor House alternate win condition that Lunar can share in (if the Gryffindor house has 3 members, this neatly makes 4 total alternate win conditions left), or Pavarti could have yet another alternate win. IIOA (Information instead of analysis) Players who speculate about the setup more than they ask for other players' reasoning and/or accuse other players of being scum are probably group scum. On December 14 2010 10:46 why wrote: (ps breadcrumb is when you fill your old posts with hints as to your role so you can confirm role-claim later, this is especially useful for mod-confirmed Masons  )This post doesn't make him sound like a new player at all. And then: On December 14 2010 13:18 why wrote: I think we need some other people's thoughts on whether it is a good idea to reveal or not. I'm too inexperienced to know how this typically shakes out. Wants other people to help him decide on whether an idea is good or not using inexperience as an excuse. Reds usually like the opinion of the masses to help them confirm on things. +he has a lot of role fishing posts, however he does claim that he is in gryffindor: On December 16 2010 20:19 why wrote: By the way, we can confirm (at least the characters of) 3 more people. Cho Chang or Roger Davies (the one not in the Ravenclaw House) can confirm by saying they are in the Ravenclaw and having no one dispute them (there are 4 total Ravenclaws on the list, 3 are in the House). There are 5 Gryffindor members on the player list (Harry Potter, Hermione, Colin Creevey, Angelina Johnson, and Pavarti Patil). 3 are in the house. The remaining 2 can claim to be part of the House and, if no one disputes, are confirmed. Coincidentally, I am in Gryffindor. But someone needs to back him up on that.. On December 17 2010 10:05 why wrote: To be clear, I am not claiming to be one of Jcarl's group. I am claiming to have a character that is Gryffindor that is NOT in Jcarl's group (there are 5 total Gryffindor members, 3 in Jcarl's group). Again he is being very cautious here. | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Could be new. I don't feel strongly one way or the other on any players since LSB. By drawing so much attention to himself he caused a lot of damage with his death. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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ilovejonn
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
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orgolove
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why
United States215 Posts
I've basically tried to be neutral and observant since I don't know what the hell I am doing and didn't want to get lynched. I've also tried to be as helpful as possible in the ways that I feel I can be. But whatever, if lack of other candidates is the problem, here are other options of people you could lynch instead of me! Here's one: Kitaman27. Let's do it day by day. D1: On December 11 2010 12:48 kitaman27 wrote: While a private vote is nice in theory, if the mafia wants to hide their vote, they're going to be able to do so. It will probably be pretty easy to tell who the popular bandwagons are going to be based on the thread activity so the private vote won't accomplish much. Now if only I remembered who any of these characters were >.< By the way, any particular reason for no death post?  Here Kitaman repeats things about LSB's campaign that other people have already said. Accomplishes nothing. On December 11 2010 12:53 kitaman27 wrote: Also this bit of information seems pretty significant. Almost 1/3 of the players have alternate motives that we have to be suspicious of. We have to be aware that a player may act pro-town for much of the game and suddenly betray us to meet their own goals. Says something everyone already knows. On December 13 2010 03:08 kitaman27 wrote: Just to confirm, was this your campaign promise Meapak? I was under the impression that you wanted to target a mayor candidate. Mind clearing that up? Asks Meapak a clarifying question. These are all his posts D1. He doesn't make one useful contribution and generally stays under the radar, while having just enough of a post count to make sure he isn't targeted as an inactive. N1: I don't think I need to individually analyze these. There is not one opinion offered here. All he does is ask question after question about non-offensive topics. He doesn't even attempt to offer any insight. I've listed them below for convenience. On December 14 2010 09:44 kitaman27 wrote: Will those who are hit even be informed that they were hit? On December 14 2010 09:59 kitaman27 wrote: Well someone confirming they were hit doesn't reveal why they weren't hit. Plus, it gives a confirmed townie to rally around. On December 14 2010 10:05 kitaman27 wrote: Can you also confirm that you group has an alternate win condition? On December 14 2010 10:24 kitaman27 wrote: So were the unlynchable and vet abilities considered to be the remaining two of the five abilities, which he needed to activate first? D2: On December 15 2010 00:28 kitaman27 wrote: To prevent later speculation, you accompanied orgolove last night, right? So RoL did not dt check him like you suggested earlier? LSB is clearly going to be lynched by now. There's no disincentive for mafia to attack him. Of course, this isn't really an attack so much as a question of clarification. He seems to point out things LSB needs to take care of to make his story plausible. On December 15 2010 01:57 kitaman27 wrote: there is still the possibility that he was trying to push orgolove without role claiming. If that was the case though, I would assume LSB would say so, rather than allow him to get caught up in a lie. Meapak, did you inform LSB that the "scream" referred to a roleblocking ability against you or was LSB the first one to bring it up. If LSB was the first to mention it, I'm not sure how so many people can be accusing him of making it up, unless LSB was part of the team that caused the scream. Here, again, he seems to be trying to appear to be attacking LSB while his wording instills doubt in his guilt. He also doesn't say anything new or insightful. The last line doesn't even really make sense, since that is one of the central tenets of LSB being mafia, and yet he uses the phrase "I'm not sure how people can be accusing him of making it up". N2: Doesn't post. D3: Has an argument about whether Lunar's alternate win condition has to be scum aligned, which is useless and probably incorrect. Then, he halfheartedly and jokingly calls out some inactives, with no follow-up. He also intersperses that with some more clarifying questions. On December 17 2010 05:25 kitaman27 wrote: Only post in the thread. Not exactly jumping into it, now are we? Mind analyzing the person of your choice so we can at least have something out of you? On December 17 2010 09:21 kitaman27 wrote: Happy Birthday! So how come you haven't posted the previous 3 days? Its real tough to pick out the scum, when we have 1-2 posts to go by  Then, he votes for Pandain after posting the below: On December 17 2010 11:02 kitaman27 wrote: Well I would hope so, he is dead. Even before he died, he was a replacement for only like half a day, so that would probably explain why he didn't post much there. It is really weird that Kitaman votes for Pandain after he defends him here. Notice that a bandwagon has already formed. Looking back on Kitman's posts, there is very little substance to any of them. He has never staked out a claim or had a viewpoint on anything, while still posting just enough to keep him off people's radar. Even when he has stated an opinion, there was always already a significant bandwagon for that opinion. At least I've tried to be helpful. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
That said, Ilovejohn’s analyse of why is actually very good. I hadn’t noticed the submissive tone or the focus on game hints. Let’s see what happens if we put on pressure. @why’s analyse of kitaman27. It's not bad, but in the other game I have played with kitman27 (salem mafia), he played a very careful townie, who spend more time trying to make the exactly right decision based on other’s arguments than providing his own targets. That seems to be the pattern here as well. Also your last argument is wrong: On December 17 2010 15:05 why wrote: Then, he votes for Pandain after posting the below: It is really weird that Kitaman votes for Pandain after he defends him here. Notice that a bandwagon has already formed. He doesn’t defend Pandain, he dismisses LunarDestiny’s defence for Pandain. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
all those who do not vote will be modkilled. do not forget. put in a placeholder if you must. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Normally, I'd vote for why in this context, but I will abstain to do so because I had a weird feeling that ilovejonn has been scummy since the vote-switch at the start of the game. He might be right about why though, and his analysis doesn't seem scummy or trying to divert or anything, so I'll give him the benefit of a doubt. I would also love for ilovejonn, but then you guys will ignore all my previous posts of suspecting him and say that I'm trying to defend why. Which I'm not. As I said, ilovejonn's analysis looks good from where I'm standing. I may change my vote 'till the end of the day, but goddamn it do I hate inactives/lurkers. I mean I get it, it was the man's birthday, but how hard it is to take 10 minutes and dedicate them to the game. If you won't even do that, then stay out of it for good. Same goes for Pandain. DrH said that "that's not how he plays scum", well, that's exactly how he played scum in Kingmaker, where he didn't have the time to actually post a lot. Sure, this is a different game, and more complicated, but who's to say he's not doing the same thing anyway? Tube. Wake up. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Airbag first popped onto my radar when I saw the following post by jcarl: On December 16 2010 14:05 jcarlsoniv wrote: Hey Airbag, what ever happened to this? I imagine he'll be valuable tomorrow or day 4. Based on his sign-up date and quality of posting it was relatively clear that Airbag was a scum rather than a noob. Which made be question why on earth would the medic claim so early in the game. DrH himself made fun of coag for doing the same thing in the previous game. So I started pming him and here is where it lead: + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Airbag: That's a fair point. One reason I'm worried about name claiming is the threat of modkill from annul. Yes I'm a smurf. I was poking around as a noob to see if anybody would try to manipulate me via PM. LSB did and guess what he turned out to be? Jcarl claimed his role pretty quickly afterward so I'm pretty inclined to trust him. Yes I'm Pomfrey. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From kitaman27: Well here is my thought process. You are either a newbie or a smurf. I'm guessing the latter based upon your posts. From what it sounds like, you claimed medic to jcarl. I'm wondering why someone like yourself would be willing to medic claim. Either jcarl is a confirmed townie or you claimed medic as a way to gain his trust. Based on your response that you switched off Amber to Kenpachi, you seem to be sticking with your medic story. So you trust me enough to confirm your role, but not enough to state your name? The only reason I can think that you would be willing to give up one, but not the other is the case that you are worried about a duplicate name claim. Thoughts? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Airbag: I'm not name claiming yet. The circles have been leaky and I'm not completely confident that you're town. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From kitaman27: Ya I found it weird he would call you out like that rather than solve it in a pm. So you are Pomfrey? Airbag goes from not completely trusting me as town, to role claiming in a matter of minutes. What's even more odd? I had already recieved a pm that a dt type role had already located a Pomfrey. I pm'd annul to confirm that there were not duplicate role claims and he said that I was correct. That leads us to the fact that one of the two sources is lying. What do we do with liars? We lynch them. To further my case, here are some relevant posts: After a bunch of seemingly pro-town posts, here is the first one that pops out: On December 11 2010 13:54 Airbag wrote: hm thats a good point about LSB I'm not comfortable having him lynched since he is experienced but maybe he's good for a night 1 dt check? if we have a normal dt that is ToT The perfect situation for mafia. LSB is allowed to live, but a dt is used to help figure out what type of catch the Snape role is. On December 12 2010 11:47 Airbag wrote: I really feel now that if the mayor is elected honestly he should lynch LSB im thinking about what his goal and intention is: 1. to control/direct town the way HE wants it 2. to make a private vote (if he is mafia easily he can pretend they voted differently than they did) 3. fished on me to see if I might be blue 4. more interested in defending himself and making HIMSELF look good and pro-town than he is to actually find and kill mafia/contribute something useful that sort of arrogant attitude sounds like a mafia trying to force our trust and make us follow him who is better to lynch at this point? The Death Eaters aren't stupid. They know Snape is a good guy in the books. As a result, its extremely likely they take care of him early on due to traitor suspicions. Even more beneficial, they appear "pro-town" for taking out one of their own. Ask yourself this, if you were a death eater, would you want Snape around on your team? On December 16 2010 11:15 Airbag wrote: Dumbledore is dead? This is bad. The death eaters have been too good at blue sniping in this game. Is this all damage done by LSB or are there leaky circles? For now I'm not feeling good about Kenpachi but we should give him the benefit of the doubt. You're not feeling good about Kenpachi, yet you decided to move your protect off Amber to protect him? Hmm thats strange. On December 15 2010 08:40 Airbag wrote: It's really not gonna look good for you if he turns out to be a death eater. Easy for you to say, when you already know he is going to pop up scum. On December 16 2010 13:08 Airbag wrote: It seems pretty clear there was some sort of leak in a circle. So far I know there is a circle with: oddo123 deconduo jcarlsoniv Role fishing? As jcarl revealed later, deconduo is not part of the confirmed town group. On December 17 2010 08:33 Airbag wrote: With permission from annul granted in this thread, I'll be switching to my real account. Anyone find it a bit odd that he would even do this? The only motivation I can see is that he wanted to use his influence as a mafia veteran to steer the town one way or another. I pm'd zek questioning why he would vote for kenpachi. His response: On December 17 2010 11:38 zeks wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Why Sorry for the quick switch - but realized Airbag had switched too I've decided to put my trust in him for now after picking off LSB In summary, DrH claimed medic to individuals in order to gain their trust He makes a duplicate name claim, showing that he is lyingI It is true that he helped lynch LSB, but so did nearly everyone. It was almost unanimous afterall. In addition, lynching Snape can be beneficial to the mafia by eliminating a traitor and gaining town trust. In response, it is likely that DrH will paint me as scum that is trying to take out the town medic. Please ask yourself, why would I be willing to make a 1:1 mafia for town exchange. If after the lynch, he pops Pomfrey, then by all means, take me out next. Either way, we get a death eater. Lynch DrH | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
So who is this other Poppy, in case you are lying to us about DrH? | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I say we ask annul to modkill both for role-claiming. Then we can have our lynch + a sure mafia. GG NP! | ||
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