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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 18 2010 02:16 Barundar wrote:
Kitaman I feel like I'm missing something here. You say another one claimed Poppy, and that we should lynch both. I agree.
So who is this other Poppy, in case you are lying to us about DrH?
Are you asking me to publicly reveal Poppy's identity? That leads the mafia right to her. In the case that DrH does not come up scum (which won't happen) I will reveal the other Poppy. You may lynch me if I don't. At this time, however, DrH has been far more sneaky of the two.
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On December 18 2010 02:16 Barundar wrote:
Kitaman I feel like I'm missing something here. You say another one claimed Poppy, and that we should lynch both. I agree.
So who is this other Poppy, in case you are lying to us about DrH?
Why would you want to lynch a DT confirmed Poppy?
I can confirm that Dr.H PMd me at the start of the game (as Airbag) posing as a noob. He was asking some questions, saying he wanted to team up with a veteran to stay alive. I am by no means a veteran, and he was trying to sweet talk me to get my trust. After watching him post, I had determined that he was most certainly a smurf. When I called him out on it, he eventually told me that he was DocH. He also made a claim early that he was able to protect people, so I figured he was Poppy. When talking to Kitaman, he said that he had a DT who had found the real Poppy, and it was not Airbag/Dr.H.
Also, in many many posts Doc has been saying "I feel the mafia are just lurking and being quiet, letting the town tear each other apart." This is all while Doc has been one of the most active posters, so I believe this is a way to shed suspicion of himself.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 18 2010 02:20 CubEdIn wrote:
I think he's saying that HE is Pomfrey, no?
I say we ask annul to modkill both for role-claiming. Then we can have our lynch + a sure mafia.
GG NP!
1) lol if I'm Pomfrey then I obviously wouldn't call out him myself. I would ask a pro-town person like jcarl to write up an accusation in my place. Interesting that we got two role fishes as the first two responses, however.
2) You want me to be modkilled? Don't recall ever claiming :p
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I was refering to this sentence by Kitaman.
I had already recieved a pm that a dt type role had already located a Pomfrey. I pm'd annul to confirm that there were not duplicate role claims and he said that I was correct. That leads us to the fact that one of the two sources is lying. What do we do with liars? We lynch them.
He states we lynch them, but he only mentions one.
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On December 18 2010 02:28 Barundar wrote:I was refering to this sentence by Kitaman. Show nested quote +I had already recieved a pm that a dt type role had already located a Pomfrey. I pm'd annul to confirm that there were not duplicate role claims and he said that I was correct. That leads us to the fact that one of the two sources is lying. What do we do with liars? We lynch them. He states we lynch them, but he only mentions one.
"What do we do with liars? We lynch them."
He was keeping it grammatically correct.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 18 2010 02:28 Barundar wrote:I was refering to this sentence by Kitaman. Show nested quote +I had already recieved a pm that a dt type role had already located a Pomfrey. I pm'd annul to confirm that there were not duplicate role claims and he said that I was correct. That leads us to the fact that one of the two sources is lying. What do we do with liars? We lynch them. He states we lynch them, but he only mentions one.
We can only lynch one at a time. DrH makes an uncharacteristic role claim, while the other gets checked by a dt. DrH obviously seems more suspicious. Why reveal both names?
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99% sure Doc H isn't mafia. If you read one of my previous posts, LSB gave me PMs with the 2 of them talking. There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game. Here they are again:
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I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 18 2010 02:35 deconduo wrote:99% sure Doc H isn't mafia. If you read one of my previous posts, LSB gave me PMs with the 2 of them talking. There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game. Here they are again: + Show Spoiler +
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it.
Didn't the whole LBS situation seem a little fishy to you though? He practically role claimed scum for some weird 1:1 trade with oroglove. PM's can be fabricated. In the previous game, there was a decent amount of discussion on mafia and fake pms. Why fake role claim if you are clean?
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On December 18 2010 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 02:28 Barundar wrote:I was refering to this sentence by Kitaman. I had already recieved a pm that a dt type role had already located a Pomfrey. I pm'd annul to confirm that there were not duplicate role claims and he said that I was correct. That leads us to the fact that one of the two sources is lying. What do we do with liars? We lynch them. He states we lynch them, but he only mentions one. We can only lynch one at a time. DrH makes an uncharacteristic role claim, while the other gets checked by a dt. DrH obviously seems more suspicious. Why reveal both names?
Beceause you are being extremely vague about this other claim. You mention a PM you recieved, about a DT type checking a Pomfrey. This already sound like someone told you that someone else told you. As far as I know you aren't a confirmed town, so I'm questioning why people would invest that knowledge in you.
I'm not necessarily asking you to give out a name. I was merely asking into what struck me as a logical break in your reasoning.
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On December 18 2010 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 02:35 deconduo wrote:99% sure Doc H isn't mafia. If you read one of my previous posts, LSB gave me PMs with the 2 of them talking. There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game. Here they are again: + Show Spoiler +
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it.
Didn't the whole LBS situation seem a little fishy to you though? He practically role claimed scum for some weird 1:1 trade with oroglove. PM's can be fabricated. In the previous game, there was a decent amount of discussion on mafia and fake pms. Why fake role claim if you are clean?
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game."
At what point in the game does it begin to be good for mafia to start faking PMs?
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On December 18 2010 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:On December 18 2010 02:35 deconduo wrote:99% sure Doc H isn't mafia. If you read one of my previous posts, LSB gave me PMs with the 2 of them talking. There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game. Here they are again: + Show Spoiler +
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it.
Didn't the whole LBS situation seem a little fishy to you though? He practically role claimed scum for some weird 1:1 trade with oroglove. PM's can be fabricated. In the previous game, there was a decent amount of discussion on mafia and fake pms. Why fake role claim if you are clean? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game." At what point in the game does it begin to be good for mafia to start faking PMs?
Can you explain any reason why LSB would fake PMs from someone to try and get me suspicious of them if they were his mafia team mate? It makes no sense whatsoever. So I believe Dr. H is legit.
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Sorry but I can't help but notice this comes up after there is pressure on why and pandain, and the moment I question the reasoning I get yelled at for fishing + I get PM's asking to my thoughts out of nowhere. From Pandain.
Coordinated attack?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 18 2010 02:55 Barundar wrote:
Sorry but I can't help but notice this comes up after there is pressure on why and pandain, and the moment I question the reasoning I get yelled at for fishing + I get PM's asking to my thoughts out of nowhere. From Pandain.
Coordinated attack?
Do you still disagree that the second medic should remain hidden until DrH's alignment has been revealed? I'm still not sure why the real medic should claim publicly.
You think I'm working with pandain? I had my vote on pandain before this. When DrH flips red, I would suggest he is looked into as well based on how much he is soft defending him.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
The counter-bandwagon starts, even before we hear DrH try to defend himself. What reason do I have to lie about this?
On December 18 2010 02:49 deconduo wrote:
##Vote Kitaman
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Votes as they stand at the moment:
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Why (5)
zeks, DrH, Meapak, Mr.Zergling, Barundar
Dr. H (2)
kitaman27, jcarlsoniv
kitaman (2)
why, deconduo
pandain (2)
Coagulation, ~OpZ~
ilovejonn (2)
Pandain, GGQ
jcarl
pevergreen
orgolove
oddo123
kenpachi
tube
tube
CubEdIn
Note Yet Voted (6):
Kenpachi, ilovejonn, Node, Gabriel, orgolove, LunarDestiny
The voting is pretty all over the place, and with not a lot of time left, we need to decide on a solid candidate. In my opinion, I feel there are lots more people we should be voting for over why. Tube, orgolove and node are good options, and I think my vote for kitaman was a bit hasty.
We need to stop spreading out the votes though. Please try and focus on one person if possible.
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Going to switch back to pandain. I'm really uncomfortable that all of the pressure is suddenly off of him, it feels like we've been completely sidetracked. I don't really trust anyone right now but I don't feel confident that either kita or why or drh are red enough to vote for them.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Sorry guys. I was afk for a while, with holidays and all. I still don't see why the focus has shifted from Pandain, who's been acting so scummy compared to his previous games. Anyway, Given the spread of votes at this point, I'm going to vote for Pandain.
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Last night when Dr.H start defending Pandain about his lack of activeness and his busy laddering, I suspected something. Now, Kitaman is very desperate to lynch a liar, smurf, and role fisher.
Liar: (one case)
I can confirm that Dr.H PMd me at the start of the game (as Airbag) posing as a noob. He was asking some questions, saying he wanted to team up with a veteran to stay alive. I am by no means a veteran, and he was trying to sweet talk me to get my trust. After watching him post, I had determined that he was most certainly a smurf. When I called him out on it, he eventually told me that he was DocH. He also made a claim early that he was able to protect people, so I figured he was Poppy. When talking to Kitaman, he said that he had a DT who had found the real Poppy, and it was not Airbag/Dr.H.
Smurf: From Airbag to Dr.H. Can anyone give me a reason why he switch back to his real account? The first thing he do after switching back is to protect Pandain.
The above are just some reasons I can think of for now. I will be posting more if I found something.
By lynching Dr.H, we also get to know if Pandain is town or mafia. If Dr.H is mafia, then Pandain who he try so hard to protect is also mafia.
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When I say "Kitaman is very desperate to lynch a liar, smurf, and role fisher," I was trying to say that it is uncommon that a mafia tries so hard and even willing to wager his life to get someone lynched.
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Triple post...
The quote above is from jcarlsoniv, not me.
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