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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
I would agree with half the people here that no mafia would be stupid enough to claim mason on the first day | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
I keep having a weird feeling that Korynne is the real GF, and BM is a townie/blue... But then again it's just a feeling/instinct and shouldn't be acted upon. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 02 2010 14:24 Korynne wrote: We can't just say that youngminii. Maybe /you/ would never let Zeks do that if you were the mason. But masons can talk to each other and they know more than we do as town by knowing each others roles so they might decide it's a good idea depending on what they know. Maybe one of them's a roleblocker and so they'll just roleblock zeks and see what happens and tell us the results tomorrow. You can't just say, oh masons would never do that. The whole point is that people kind of all do whatever, they don't really listen to you. I guess I'm finally starting to get it. Somebody is not going to like whatever plan whoever puts out, and if that person is the mason, and convinces the other mason. Well we would have zeks running around while everyone thinks he's a mason. I mean I'd say 80% chance he's mason, we just have to keep that 20% in mind if anything weird shows up. Also like I said, zeks, you should post an encrypted message in the thread, and give the key to your mason partner. If you die and we ever need to verify your partner, we will be using that key to do it. well i think at this point pretty much everone has seen the roleclaim, or atleast enough so one of the two masons would notice it? I couldn't see them be foolish enough to not call him out for it if it was a fake roleclaim because it would be far too easy of a kill. Though i suppose it could be a move from a town power role if he didnt want to get recruited? On July 02 2010 05:45 Bill Murray wrote: You all need to be with me on this one, last game I would have won for the town. you really need to calm yourself. All you did last game was attack people without any idea of what you were doing, or following through with any sort of conviction. I think you called out half the people in the game all on day one, odds are one of them is going to be red but it doesnt matter if you dont stay on them. Though if you're actually gonna do that here thumbs up On July 01 2010 13:25 Korynne wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2010 13:16 DCLXVI wrote: I don't think this plan would work very well. Even if we did have a roleblocker on our side and we declared a target for him/her, we could not guarantee someone as town for more than a day. The godfather could always recruit the roleblocked person the next night. Also, can the mafia choose not to kill at night? If so then the mafia could choose not to kill when the roleblocked player is townie so that the town lynches the townie the next day and throws off our numbers for a bit. I don't understand why you say that the mafia have to sacrifice a night kill to kill the roleblocked guy, he is only safe for a day unless you plan on having him roleblocked for the whole game. That would hurt if he/she was a blue role and the chances that we have a roleblocker drop each day. This method uses our lynches to find the mafia, but unless we find the godfather we are just fighting a losing battle. Keeping the mafia numbers down is good though, so there is merit to this strategy. I suppose the longer the town can keep ahead of the mafia the more the godfather will have to say and the easier he/she will be found. Man, do I have to explain everything 5 times before people get it? xD It's not to declare that person as town, it's to not waste lynches on townies. At that point, they are not mafia, so at that point, killing them is lowering town power. We want to keep as many people around as possible. If mafia chooses not to kill that night, then they wasted a night kill! So instead of killing someone they choose, they have to not kill someone, so that the person we chose dies. That sounds like a pretty friggin awesome deal to me. We vote to roleblock one person every night, and we vote to lynch that person if no night kill went on at night. So at most 1 person dies per day/night cycle, which prolongs the game which should be good for townies. We're not really using lynches to find mafia as much as like, forcing mafia+town down to 1KP. And we never let a mafia go unlynched unless it's GF. This is a perfectly awesome idea unless we have no roleblocker or roleblocker is mafia'd. so this is basically just slowing down how many townies we might mislynch by a day, and potentially if we get really lucky either stops recruitment or kp for the night and we find a red? But i thought that the later the game goes the worse it gets for town, and increases the red chance to win? However especially in the starting phase this seems like the most sound way to approach the game with no information because at this point it's just confused townies throwing around wild accusations that are no more useful than implementing something like this. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
'oh noes more days gives gf more time to build' well really that's what we want cause when there's one mafia, we are doing nothing but guessing because he's not reacting differently than anyone else because he doesnt know anything different about anyone else. But as there start to become more reds, it will be more obvious who isnt attacking each other and there will be lapses because they have more information to go with to actually give real reads, not noob reads that alot of people seem to like. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 02 2010 20:14 Abenson wrote: My thoughts on the BM vs Korynne fight: I keep having a weird feeling that Korynne is the real GF, and BM is a townie/blue... But then again it's just a feeling/instinct and shouldn't be acted upon. well based on his play last game then this does line up with his townie style but you never know if that crazy bm has adapted to that! But seriously he's quite likely town at this point. It would be odd for korynne to suggest such a seemingly good plan and to be GF, unless there's magically some even better benefits for red? But I cant see them | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
I need to proofread more. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On July 02 2010 14:24 Korynne wrote: We can't just say that youngminii. Maybe /you/ would never let Zeks do that if you were the mason. But masons can talk to each other and they know more than we do as town by knowing each others roles so they might decide it's a good idea depending on what they know. Maybe one of them's a roleblocker and so they'll just roleblock zeks and see what happens and tell us the results tomorrow. You can't just say, oh masons would never do that. The whole point is that people kind of all do whatever, they don't really listen to you. I guess I'm finally starting to get it. Somebody is not going to like whatever plan whoever puts out, and if that person is the mason, and convinces the other mason. Well we would have zeks running around while everyone thinks he's a mason. I mean I'd say 80% chance he's mason, we just have to keep that 20% in mind if anything weird shows up. Also like I said, zeks, you should post an encrypted message in the thread, and give the key to your mason partner. If you die and we ever need to verify your partner, we will be using that key to do it. Sounds like a good idea, I would've just thought to use my death post to confirm my mason partner. I claimed because my mason and I thought it was a good plan to go with and I was actually going to claim after the lynch but then my little debacle made people go wonkers so I ended up claiming this day. Now zeks is in a position where you will defend him and the jailkeeper may protect him (and so he can never be DT'd). Even with this, I'm not sure that it's best for a real mason to come out if zeks is lying. Your plan was only effective if you had town alignment on it before a mason coming forward. There definitely was not alignment on it. At this point, even if I agreed with you, it doesn't mean the masons do. So now the whole thing is fishy. All this being said, it only screws the town over somewhat. The question is whether the jailkeeper wants to commit to protecting zeks. If zeks is for real, obviously we want to cover. If zeks is a fake (and if he were, I would figure him to either be traitor or goon, not godfather), we'll be wasting a bunch of jailkeeper actions up until when the real masons decide to come out. YI you make things so much more complicated than they really are. With only 2 mafia is one really gonna go high profile like this. Stop being so paranoid. Now the plan gets rolling and you're effectively trying to create doubts in the jailkeeper from jailing me. I'm voting YI. Even if he's town I'd rather have him gone now then have him derail our plans everytime. Sure its justified to be suspicious but this is just fucking ridiculous. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On July 02 2010 23:06 rastaban wrote: Though my vote on abenson because I want to hear more from him, but also because it looks like Elyas is up to 5 votes now, and I don't want to get too many votes on him until we are sure thats the direction we want to go. I must admit I'm really afraid of posting something stupid or embarrassing. Anyways, I still think we should focus on the day 1 lynch. Do we lynch elyas or do we wait? | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
If we lynch someone who would be mod killed for not voting, does the modkill go through first and 2nd most voted person dies or does he die and get mod killed at the same time? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On July 02 2010 16:04 Bill Murray wrote: i'm going to vote with zeks i guess since i feel like he is likely town until we have a counter claim Do not ever do this. Voting with someone is giving up information. Instead of knowing what zeks thinks, and what BM thinks, now we only know what zeks thinks. Bad townie, bad. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Don't make the key an easy one to guess, otherwise if mafia gets it they can counterclaim your partner. Make it like a string of random letters/numbers/whatever, you know, generic password protection kind of stuff. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Masons, if the zeks ISN'T mason, have one of you cc. We have one confirmed mafia then, and note that having only one mason revealed is not a setback but merely continuation of L's plan which not many criticized against. However if you choose to hold back your cc you'll contribute in confusing the town; it's not worth it. I re-read the Korynne's plan, and though it sounds pretty complicated, I realized it can be restated pretty easily, especially with withdrawal of DT aspect: We lynch the scummiest player, and we as a town should vote on who the RB should target. Looking at that way it doesn't sound that bad, especially since it's clear that RB should target the scummiest player living at that night, and if something crazy like NK happens clearly asking the RB to hit specific player before the night can reduce town confusion and WIFOM a lot significantly. Don't know other details Korynne threw in though- even if NK occurs, the town should be prepared to analyze it with grain of salt instead of quick-sheeping 'OMG KILL DAT RB'D SUCKAR' mindlessly. Also here is some information I thought you guys might appreicate: ==================== Vote Count * blue numbers indicate vote change (if 2, it is the second person he/she voted for in that day). Chezinu (0) AcrossFiveJulys (0) BrowneY (1) Thegilaboy (July 01 2010 11:48) Bill Murray (0) ElyAs (6) BrownBear (July 01 2010 13:52) AcrossFiveJulys (July 01 2010 14:56) Korynne 2 (July 02 2010 03:48) bumatlarge 2 (July 02 2010 21:00) Divinek (July 02 2010 22:36) ElyAs 2 (July 02 2010 23:22) zeks (0) youngminii (1) citi.zen (July 01 2010 16:37) Korynne (2) Chezinu (July 02 2010 01:06) Bill Murray 4 (July 02 2010 05:48) YellowInk (2) lakrismamma (July 01 2010 23:52) zeks (July 02 2010 23:14) Divinek (2) Hesmyrr (July 02 2010 01:28) YellowInk 3 (July 02 2010 16:16) Thegilaboy (0) Hesmyrr (0) Abenson (1) rastaban 4 (July 02 2010 23:04) No vote: L, DCLXVI, youngminii, BrowneY ==================== | ||
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