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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 02 2010 15:27 GMT
#541
i think you confused abneson and elyas, because elyas hasnt voted yet, but you have him voting for himself while abenson put his second vote on elyas

other than that looks good i think. Good to keep track of this too because vote analysis is really important
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YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 02 2010 15:45 GMT
#542
On July 02 2010 23:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Im reluctant to vote YI, but I mst admit hes a viable godfather. Hasnt really been agressive with anyone, but has posted a good amout of content. Nothing scummy, but GF shouldnt appear scummy, since his main gist is to stay alive as long as possible. I dont want to do anything rash so early.
With 17/20 pro town and none of the 3 scum knowing each other, being aggressive is not helpful. There's no interaction to study. In my earlier post I said clearly that the most important thing that any player can do is be active so that we have a baseline for what to expect in the future. If you're inactive I want to lynch you now since I won't be able to read a drop in your productivity between today and after you got recruited.

Right now I am least impressed by ElyAs and Abenson. Since ElyAs currently has enough votes on him that if he doesn't do anything about it he'll get lynched, I'm dropping my vote on Abenson.

It's not Canada Day anymore. Be active. Be productive.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 02 2010 15:48 GMT
#543
Slight erratum: The GF knows who they recruited. But it's one single one way minimal interaction - we're far more likely to randomly lynch the GF than to read that small tidbit.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
July 02 2010 15:52 GMT
#544
One way or another, the GF is going to have to find some way of informing the people he recruited. I I think it's highly possible that there are already clues or small hints the GF has sent to his mafia members in the thread now.
lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
July 02 2010 15:59 GMT
#545
Im changing my vote to get inactives. Ironically I am following Yellowink and voteing Abenson to get him to post more. Elyas has enough votes on him. I will change if Abenson makes more content.

Still remember we should vote for a player to be roleblocked in this thread as well.
Here im voting for Yellowink for reasons I have mentioned earlier. He hasn't become less scummy trying to spread confusion regarding the mason.

##vote YellowInk
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lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
July 02 2010 16:02 GMT
#546
On July 03 2010 00:52 Abenson wrote:
One way or another, the GF is going to have to find some way of informing the people he recruited. I I think it's highly possible that there are already clues or small hints the GF has sent to his mafia members in the thread now.


Well he has the odds on his side for the first recruit. its 90 % chance that the player gets recruited so I think the godfather has just playe the odds and PM:d the mafia.


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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
July 02 2010 16:12 GMT
#547
GF cant PM anyone, and Im fairly certain mafia wont hit some one after their first hit fails, just to avoid the chance of it being the GF. Hes most likely going to lay low unless he can hint to recruits somehow that he did. Really no reason for him to aside from them going in similar directions and avoid pushing lynches on each other. Id rather post solid townie contributions, take a hit if necessary, then start hinting to recruits.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 02 2010 16:19 GMT
#548
On July 03 2010 01:02 lakrismamma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 00:52 Abenson wrote:
One way or another, the GF is going to have to find some way of informing the people he recruited. I I think it's highly possible that there are already clues or small hints the GF has sent to his mafia members in the thread now.


Well he has the odds on his side for the first recruit. its 90 % chance that the player gets recruited so I think the godfather has just playe the odds and PM:d the mafia.




yes the GF is not one of the roles that may pm, so he can't do this at all
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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 02 2010 16:22 GMT
#549
Yeah, YellowInk's posts look the scummiest, whether it be a bit too obvious or not.

I didn't even think of the possibility of mafia hitting the GF, wouldn't that be awesome. I don't think there's anything left to do but lynch the most inactive (elyas) and vote for someone to roleblock.
lalala
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 02 2010 16:23 GMT
#550
Votes counted. Gonna go through the last like, ten pages to see what I missed xD.

If you haven't voted yet, you have ~9 hours, 38 minutes to avoid being modkilled.

Might be replacing BrowneY, since he hasn't gotten back to me about whether or not he has access to the forum.
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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 16:29:49
July 02 2010 16:29 GMT
#551
On July 02 2010 04:32 YellowInk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2010 03:34 DarthThienAn wrote:
If you try to recruit a Free Mason, that person will remain a townsperson (will not become mafia), and no new mafia will be recruited for that night. They will notified that the Godfather tried to recruit them that night.
You will never be notified the results of your recruitment .
DTA can you please clarify/fix the italicized OP please?


? What's to clarify? If the Godfather tries to recruit a Free Mason, the Free Mason will be notified "The Godfather tried to recruit you last night" or something along those lines. Roleblock + recruit would yield a different result obviously. I guess there's some ambiguity in my pronoun use xD. I'll change that.

BTW everyone. To answer questions as quickly as possible, I'm basically ctrl+F'ing through the pages for "Darth", so, yeah, you know how to get a hold of me quickly now. PM works too.
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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 02 2010 16:33 GMT
#552
Darth, if we lynch a no voter, do they get modkilled, if so is it before or after the lynch? Just wondering if instead the person with the second most votes would be killed.

Thanks (I mentioned this before but didn't include your name).
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YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 02 2010 16:36 GMT
#553
If you search for DTA you'll find my other question about priorities in actions.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 02 2010 16:37 GMT
#554
On July 03 2010 01:33 rastaban wrote:
Darth, if we lynch a no voter, do they get modkilled, if so is it before or after the lynch? Just wondering if instead the person with the second most votes would be killed.

Thanks (I mentioned this before but didn't include your name).


Lynching > modkill in precedence. Second most votes would not be killed.

YellowInk... -_- gotta go through again I guess.
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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 02 2010 16:48 GMT
#555
On July 02 2010 10:28 YellowInk wrote:
@DTA I think this was asked earlier but we didn't get an answer. What is the order of priorities in night actions? For instance, if you role block and recruit a given target, does it block the mafia KP? If you recruit and night kill a given target, does their body show up as mafia or town aligned?


On July 02 2010 10:35 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2010 10:28 YellowInk wrote:
@DTA I think this was asked earlier but we didn't get an answer. What is the order of priorities in night actions? For instance, if you role block and recruit a given target, does it block the mafia KP? If you recruit and night kill a given target, does their body show up as mafia or town aligned?


For the 1st one it does not block the KP if they are blocked on the night they are recruited, (mod stated this a few pages back) so jailing them as well may be required.


Alright.. lemme pull out my handy dandy list of roles.

This is for night actions, first to last:

Roleblocker / Jailkeeper (they don't conflict)
Detective / Mad Hatter (set bombs)
Godfather's recruitment
Mafia Hit
Mad Hatter Hit (if applicable)

Others:
Coroner (separate - it only matters if a roleblock. My post revealing roles would be at the end of the night)

Dream Catcher: does not apply.
Veteran: passive, but with a Jailkeeper, he wouldn't lose any lives.

I think that's everything?
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YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 02 2010 16:51 GMT
#556
I think that is functional except you have to put recruitment before detective. You said that the DT would get post recruiting info. And even though you made a list separation, coroner is last, yes? Thanks, this is helpful.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 02 2010 16:53 GMT
#557
Also, roleblock and jailkeep can conflict - I assume if they do that the roleblock gets priority. I don't think you intended jailkeep to be an unroleblockable role.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
July 02 2010 16:55 GMT
#558
Chezinu's post:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2010 12:34 Chezinu wrote:
I cannot believe that this town believes that my behavior is disruptive. You people hardly even know who I am. I have not even spoken a word. If silence causes chaos, then let my voice create order.

To began the task of creating a like-minded community that can overthrow the evil schemes that Kira (Godfather) has ordained as "justice" we must organize ourselves and create a model for the whole town to follow. I think L is a good candidate to lead our investigation for no one knows who this man is or where he comes from. Just like our adversary, Kira..

If you were the Godfather, you would not chose the obvious nor the least likely recruits, but you would choose names that blend in as your average joe. With that said, let us not dwell on the past but on the present and future.

1. No time to act crazy, it is against the rules and hurts town because your death tells nothing.
2. We have new roles and that brings up the standard questions: Are all roles used? How many blues? - I didn't see anything stating that this was a semi-open game.
3. Plans? Should Lovers and Mason roleclaim to rush the mafia while there numbers are low? Should we use this tactic to narrow down the possibility of who the GF could be before mafia numbers grow and the chances of lovers becoming corrupted by the power to kill? Or is this move way too risky? But if we kill the Mothership containing the queen, there will be no reproduction. So we need not focus on the pawns, if we kill one today another will appear tomorrow. If we do dare to go after the pawns, we must hope and pray that the pawn themselves kill the godfather without knowing it themselves. With that in mind, many townies will pretend to be godfather in hopes that the mafia pawns whether it is for selfish reasons to get the mafia to leave them alone
or as an act of conserving their special role or perhaps to be a town hero in some crazy strategy. This behavior will hinder the town in finding the real godfather who may or may not contain scummy behavior. Secret codes to indicate that you are the godfather may need to be banned in order to prevent chaos. DTs should focus on finding the GF, that is your primary objective. Coroner please stick around, for we need you to dig up some graves and examine the bodies. Or perhaps just stick around to examine the unburied bodies.. Not sure what we are going to do with the dead as of right now. Hopefully, we'll end this game before it gets too messy.

For 30% fun:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote:
Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly.

Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process.

TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|.


Did you or did you not use the queen of hearts to decide who would be Juliet?

+ Show Spoiler +
Was it the King of hearts or the jack of hearts for Romeo?

On July 01 2010 12:48 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 12:40 Korynne wrote:
Well at least we all agree that middle would be most obvious mafia GF choice. =]

Chez you just made a really long post that can be summarized as follows:
1. Chez asks a question about roles
2. Chez says we should have a plan... and then asks if roleclaiming is a good idea...

So Chez, I still think your behaviour is disruptive. xP


The only problem with our mafia speculation is that gf could be any skill level of player. So we should probably focus on that rather than looking for the 1 mafia that now exists.


You missed the key point. We should focus more on killing the Godfather than the pawns. With this thought, the idea of having lovers and mason roleclaim confirming each other could benefit the town and lead to a quick victory. Roleblocker can protect a lover from dying. Town has the advantage early game in this setup unlike other games. We must stop the mafia before their numbers out grow us! I think this is insightful information, perhaps in your eyes I am just stating the obvious. But new setups, one must state the obvious for the betterment of the town so that we can all work together with one mind.
On July 01 2010 13:17 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 13:12 YellowInk wrote:
A few quick points I want to stick into this flurry.

Mass roleclaim is bad. Bad Chez Bad. Hang the Chez for even suggesting. Cahoots!

Stalemates are not good for town. They're not terrible, either, IF the godfather is dead, but since as a non-roleblocking townie it's hard for one to be sure if we're actually in a stalemate or perhaps had a lucky medic/vet in between two role blocks.

Double lynches should be used in the mid to late game, not in the early game. It's a town empowering ability. Right now we'd be shooting blanks. Later we'll need them to clean up the scum.

If I were the godfather, I would have recruited a top player. Remember that we're going to have a very difficult time lynching any of the skilled players to begin with. While the numbers are thin, they're going to play no differently from any other townie. It doesn't matter that we know who the skilled players are, I am not about to bet the game on lynching L or Korynne or BM tonight. If we were to start lynching these players, the godfather would then switch to going after middling players, so there's not much advantaged to be gained by making a plan to lynch top players.

Ok, so that last point wasn't so quick.

Recruiting games are tough. You can't trust anyone - unfortunately especially those who get named as 'strong'.

I never said to mass roleclaim..

On July 01 2010 13:47 Chezinu wrote:
we have no medics..

On July 01 2010 13:52 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 13:48 BrownBear wrote:
ahh, i didn't realize we didn't have medics.

Plus, we can roleblock someone twice in a row, so there's no reason not to keep them alive at least once and then roleblock them again.

oh! Jailer acts as medic, I was wrong

On July 01 2010 14:05 Chezinu wrote:
As of right now Town has the advantage:


Godfather: Recruited one person and doesn't know their role. Thus can't really coordinate.
Traitor: Knows nothing.
Recruit: Knows nothing.


What we know as town:

We have lovers... I did not intentionally fish Darth into revealing this information.. but know town knows!

So if we have free masons then we know that it is possible that if lovers/masons confirm each other via role claim 4 proven innocents right off the bat. This reduces finding traitor,recruit, and GF to 3/16 chance. Only GF can fake claim lover/mason by confirming recruit and hoping that he plays along. To prevent this, true masons/lovers can pm each other to and post exact same time.

If we want to make this move, we have to do it today while mafia numbers are low and lack communication/information.


With Jailer/Roleblocker available we can extend the lives of lovers/masons. Having 4 confirm townies to start the game would only benefit the town. I would suggest masons to claim first. I can't see any fault with this plan. This plan will work if free masons exist. So if you are the masons please consider this plan.

On July 01 2010 14:19 Chezinu wrote:
I just realized that lovers/masons could possibly have blue roles.. That could make things more interesting..

On July 01 2010 14:22 Chezinu wrote:
I would leave roleclaiming up to the masons to decide. They know what roles they have and have far greater knowledge than we do. I just want to make sure the masons know their options.

On July 01 2010 14:41 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 14:39 youngminii wrote:
Doesn't the godfather know that he failed?

nope! His recruits will probably know since all recruits know each other. So they have to find a way to inform the GF if his plan failed.

On July 01 2010 14:54 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, I probably need to go to bed as well.. I might pop up again tonight because this game is addicting.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just to mess with the mafia, because going to bed taunting mafia and messing with them is fun. What if they are lovers roleclaim masons? What if masons roleclaim lovers? hehe What if we have both masons and lovers and they both roleclaim "couples"? What if tomorrow two recruits roleclaim "couples" only to later be checked by a DT that causes them both to die?

On July 02 2010 07:58 Chezinu wrote:
Top suspects atm:

##mafia Korynee
##GF Yellowink -- was thinking but admitted accusing me was a cheap shot. So, I'm going to leave you alone for now.

Top innocents:

1. Bill Murray

I know this may sound crazy, but I was thinking Kory was mafia before Bill started attacking her. I don't think Kory is the GF, but is more likely a recruit. Reasons: She is not male and therefore can't be godfather and she was active before the silence game. GF wouldn't want to risk having an inactive. Other biases, Kory has been attacking everything I say.. Bill on the other had has been flattering me, so obviously I'm going to side with Bill.


Note: the only serious thing in this post - I agree with Bill Murray that Kory has been acting strange. But I doubt Kory is GF but more likely recruit. I think I'm going to go through the list of players now and try to find a good lynch candidate.

On July 02 2010 08:03 Chezinu wrote:
Wow, everyone seems to be on the same page as me this game. I post that we need to focus on GF at the same time other people do. I post mason plan though different same time as L. Now, someone posts that the likely-hood Bill and Kory are low and are going to look through the player list to find a GF candidate.

Conclusion: either everyone became crazy like me which isn't true. Or I'm finally playing sane this game.

On July 02 2010 08:07 Chezinu wrote:
Ok just to note,

Confirmed by mod: Browney can't be GF because he didn't have access to thread and we have lovers because he used to queen of hearts to pick Juliet and the queen of clubs for Romeo. I can't help but play with logistics.. At least kory isn't host, lol.

On July 02 2010 08:41 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, I still haven't narrow down the list yet for GF, I have to go soon and don't think I'll finish the list. So, I'm just going to state the obvious since it is a new setup.

Almost Facts:

1. We have lovers
2. Browney is unlikely GF since he has no access to forum
3. If we have masons that claim and then lovers claim afterwards we would temporarily have 5 confirm innocents. If one would count oneself as innocent then finding traitor/recruit/GF from the remaining list would be 3/14 chance. If we take into consideration inactives that will be modkilled the chance of killing mafia would increase more.



I've been busy, but here is my current list of potential lynch candidates for today:

2. BrownBear
3. YellowInk
6. Divinek
8. citi.zen
9. L
11. Hesmyrr
12. youngminii
13. bumatlarge
14. Korynne
15. lakrismamma
16. Abenson
18. AcrossFiveJulys
19. rastaban

As for my plan about both masons claiming, followed by lovers claim (of course lovers could have claimed masons as well - and they could have claimed first to mess with the mafia etc..). It would reduce the above list narrowing down who the possible GF could be. By "rushing" the mafia, I meant that we snipe the GF as fast as possible before he could build up an army. We kill him now while there is no mafia coordination. Of course, rushing means that we may expose ourselves if we aren't successful. But we wouldn't expose ourselves too much since Jailer/roleblocker can cover our masons/lovers to reduce chances of losing them. One factor that I didn't initially think about is that a masons/lovers may have a special role, which in that case the non-special mason may be the only one willing to roleclaim. That's why I left the choice for the masons to decide for themselves.
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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 02 2010 17:01 GMT
#559
On July 03 2010 01:51 YellowInk wrote:
I think that is functional except you have to put recruitment before detective. You said that the DT would get post recruiting info. And even though you made a list separation, coroner is last, yes? Thanks, this is helpful.


Uh, what? If a DT got recruited, I would still send him/her the results of the check for that night. After that, no more DT powers.

Ohhhhh. lol. Just read my thing on a DT at the beginning. Hmmmm.... Well THAT'S complicated. I guess, for the sake of consistency, I'll put the DT after recruitment.

Coroner...well actually, Coroner is technically before recruitment. Coroner would not know whether or not he/she was recruited the night he/she chose to activate. Like, the general idea here is that nobody's decision-making for night actions should be influenced by that night's recruitment. However, their results may be changed, based on the recruitment.


On July 03 2010 01:53 YellowInk wrote:
Also, roleblock and jailkeep can conflict - I assume if they do that the roleblock gets priority. I don't think you intended jailkeep to be an unroleblockable role.


Right, roleblocker would stop a jailkeep. my bad.

Updated.

Roleblocker
Jailkeeper
Detective / Mad Hatter (set bombs)
Coroner
Godfather's recruitment
Detective results
Mafia Hit
Mad Hatter Hit (if applicable)

Others:
Dream Catcher: does not apply.
Veteran: passive, but with a Jailkeeper, he wouldn't lose any lives.

Hope this is right now T_T.

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lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
July 02 2010 17:02 GMT
#560
It doesn't really help that you copy pasted half of the list of players and say that they are potential candidates for a lynch.
Choose a few you consider fishy and motivate please..
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