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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 02 2010 18:56 GMT
#581
I'm a little confused by your list, Chezinu. Maybe I'm just paranoid, because I'm on it, but I would like to see reasoning behind why you put that list together.

(Posting from airport, lol)
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 02 2010 19:00 GMT
#582
On July 03 2010 02:16 Hesmyrr wrote:
Knowing the criteria behind Chezinu (or in fact anyone's) lynch list would indeed be nice. Considering it's nature, I am more interested in the people he chose to leave behind: zeks, Thegilaboy, Bill Murray, DCLXVI, ElyAs, and BrowneY.

BrowneY is no-brainer for moment, but I am wondering why you do not ElyAs lynch? Are you willing to propose 'an' alternative lynch candidate that town can choose to go behind?

zek roleclaim - gains immunity from lynch and he probably isn't GF
Bill Murray - because he would have recruited me if he was GF - if he is GF that was a great play by not recruiting me
BrowneY- obv reasons
Others - they will get modkilled so no point in killing them - these are people mafia feel comfortable killing because they know they aren't the GF. Town is also comfortable killing these people because it prevents lost of a town/blue since they would die anyways. So in a way it is a "no lynch".

I didn't narrow the list further because I was trying to be objective. I didn't want to rule-out any potential GFs.
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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 02 2010 19:12 GMT
#583
On July 03 2010 03:45 Hesmyrr wrote:
Also since it should be beneficial to pick a candidate for roleblock before day ends, let me actively try to start an discussion: given a choice, should we choose to roleblock someone suspected of Mafia (blocks NK) or Godfather (blocks recruitment)?

Obviously Korynne's plan hinges on getting Mafia goon so we have some semblance of control over night death, but I rather like the idea of trying to roleblock Godfather too, since the # of successful recruitments he get off before dying is critical to the game's fate. Moreover by not shying away from RBing Godfather we can just choose to roleblock the scummiest player without worrying about details. We just need to remember in such case kill occurring in night does not necessarily mean the roleblocked player is town.

As for roleblock candidate, I propose rastaban. I first noticed him only because of his frequent vote switch, but I don't think this is that bad chocie at all. He is fairly active in the game, but is one of those player who did not attract that much attention of the town, due to YI / Korynne / Bill Murray hogging all the town's spotlight. I would appreciate it if you guys also started talking about who to roleblock (since lynch candidate this point seem to be decided as either ElyAs or Abenson) and why.


The problem with roleblocking the GF is that while it would be very productive, we have no way of knowing if it worked. Thats why the DT should consider getting a read on them even if the night kill isn't blocked.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
July 02 2010 19:16 GMT
#584
On July 03 2010 04:00 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 02:16 Hesmyrr wrote:
Knowing the criteria behind Chezinu (or in fact anyone's) lynch list would indeed be nice. Considering it's nature, I am more interested in the people he chose to leave behind: zeks, Thegilaboy, Bill Murray, DCLXVI, ElyAs, and BrowneY.

BrowneY is no-brainer for moment, but I am wondering why you do not ElyAs lynch? Are you willing to propose 'an' alternative lynch candidate that town can choose to go behind?

zek roleclaim - gains immunity from lynch and he probably isn't GF
Bill Murray - because he would have recruited me if he was GF - if he is GF that was a great play by not recruiting me
BrowneY- obv reasons
Others - they will get modkilled so no point in killing them - these are people mafia feel comfortable killing because they know they aren't the GF. Town is also comfortable killing these people because it prevents lost of a town/blue since they would die anyways. So in a way it is a "no lynch".

I didn't narrow the list further because I was trying to be objective. I didn't want to rule-out any potential GFs.

Alright. You could have titled the list better than "list of lynch candidates" :p
Also Bill Murray exclusion makes for a pretty shoddy objectiveness, doesn't it? I don't know much about players here so not sure what relationship you have with BM.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 02 2010 19:48 GMT
#585
i dont know why he explained it that way
i am just in line with my town meta
i probably would have recruited L, but that would have been dumb, as he's inactive as shit
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YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 02 2010 20:15 GMT
#586
As I've stated earlier, I believe the roleblocker(s) should choose their own candidates. I also think the jailkeeper should not necessarily cover zeks. I won't say that he shouldn't, just should consider not covering zeks. We may have multiple jailkeepers anyhow - this size of a setup could warrant 2x medic.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
July 02 2010 20:27 GMT
#587
On July 03 2010 04:00 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 02:16 Hesmyrr wrote:
Knowing the criteria behind Chezinu (or in fact anyone's) lynch list would indeed be nice. Considering it's nature, I am more interested in the people he chose to leave behind: zeks, Thegilaboy, Bill Murray, DCLXVI, ElyAs, and BrowneY.

BrowneY is no-brainer for moment, but I am wondering why you do not ElyAs lynch? Are you willing to propose 'an' alternative lynch candidate that town can choose to go behind?

zek roleclaim - gains immunity from lynch and he probably isn't GF
Bill Murray - because he would have recruited me if he was GF - if he is GF that was a great play by not recruiting me
BrowneY- obv reasons
Others - they will get modkilled so no point in killing them - these are people mafia feel comfortable killing because they know they aren't the GF. Town is also comfortable killing these people because it prevents lost of a town/blue since they would die anyways. So in a way it is a "no lynch".

I didn't narrow the list further because I was trying to be objective. I didn't want to rule-out any potential GFs.

I will not be modkilled, I have just been very busy. However, Elyas is very likely to be killed tonight whether it be by lynch or modkill. Do we want to use a lynch on him? would we rather have him be modkilled and cut down on the number of suspects? I don't know if we have enough information now to drag up a decent list of suspects so I am not sure of anyone else we want to lynch. Abenson just seems to be new to the game and afraid to post, so I don't like him as a lynch suspect either. Unfortunately, I have to leave now for 6 hours or so so I will not be able to see any last minute bandwagons. I don't really like any of the candidates, but I will vote abenson to make him post more(not that I will be able to see it in time)
I can already see the ending
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 02 2010 20:55 GMT
#588
If people are 'afraid' to post they will get lynched every game until they start playing. Posting is at the core of the game. I would rather have new players making 100 mistakes (for which I might lynch them) than not posting enough (for which I will surely lynch them), but either way, they need to post or die.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 02 2010 21:03 GMT
#589
On July 03 2010 05:27 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 04:00 Chezinu wrote:
On July 03 2010 02:16 Hesmyrr wrote:
Knowing the criteria behind Chezinu (or in fact anyone's) lynch list would indeed be nice. Considering it's nature, I am more interested in the people he chose to leave behind: zeks, Thegilaboy, Bill Murray, DCLXVI, ElyAs, and BrowneY.

BrowneY is no-brainer for moment, but I am wondering why you do not ElyAs lynch? Are you willing to propose 'an' alternative lynch candidate that town can choose to go behind?

zek roleclaim - gains immunity from lynch and he probably isn't GF
Bill Murray - because he would have recruited me if he was GF - if he is GF that was a great play by not recruiting me
BrowneY- obv reasons
Others - they will get modkilled so no point in killing them - these are people mafia feel comfortable killing because they know they aren't the GF. Town is also comfortable killing these people because it prevents lost of a town/blue since they would die anyways. So in a way it is a "no lynch".

I didn't narrow the list further because I was trying to be objective. I didn't want to rule-out any potential GFs.

I will not be modkilled, I have just been very busy. However, Elyas is very likely to be killed tonight whether it be by lynch or modkill. Do we want to use a lynch on him? would we rather have him be modkilled and cut down on the number of suspects? I don't know if we have enough information now to drag up a decent list of suspects so I am not sure of anyone else we want to lynch. Abenson just seems to be new to the game and afraid to post, so I don't like him as a lynch suspect either. Unfortunately, I have to leave now for 6 hours or so so I will not be able to see any last minute bandwagons. I don't really like any of the candidates, but I will vote abenson to make him post more(not that I will be able to see it in time)


pretty hard to have real supsects when there's only 1 mafia member who has no more information than any of us do at this point. Hell there might not even be a mafia yet if the gf got unlucky. For the first day it almost always has to be the inactives because they're as good as dead anyways, but if we let them coast by they could come back into the game at some point (and especially in a game like this) we wont know exactly what that means. Or have anything to compare to based on changes over time etc
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
July 02 2010 21:32 GMT
#590
Hmm, for better or worse ElyAs seem to be heading toward mod-kill. Changing my vote to Abenson; this should essentially be nice free double lynch.

Is there any candidate for roleblock besides YI, Korynne, or esterban?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 02 2010 21:45 GMT
#591
I'm happy with going for a no-lynch (lynching elyas) for now. No one looks scummy enough to be lynched and the inactives are highly unlikely to be recruited by GF.
We have to decide who gets roleblocked asap because N1 is quickly approaching. Let me post up a tally for the roleblocker.

citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM)
Korynne - 2 (rastaban, Chezinu)
YellowInk - 2 (lakrismamma, youngminii)
rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr)

I may have missed a vote or two but we need to break this tie. We need to clearly choose one person to roleblock and the time to vote is now.
lalala
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 02 2010 21:52 GMT
#592
On July 03 2010 06:32 Hesmyrr wrote:
Hmm, for better or worse ElyAs seem to be heading toward mod-kill. Changing my vote to Abenson; this should essentially be nice free double lynch.

Is there any candidate for roleblock besides YI, Korynne, or esterban?


Have you read none of this to understand why double lynching this early would be a bad thing? You're far more likely to hit a blue than a red if you're voting for no reason.

Though I'm all in favour of pressuring inactive people to post more, but I'm not entirely sure if you're doing that or just bandwagoning on with some other people. It's always much better to actually post your reasons for voting for people, cause it could be interpreted poorly if you change without reason.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
ElyAs
Profile Joined December 2009
France205 Posts
July 02 2010 22:45 GMT
#593
I'm sorry and I want to explain myself.

First, I'm okay with you lynching me. It's a mislynch, but well, better me than a blue role.

Why ? Because today I couldn't be in front of my computer until now. The same will happen this week-end because I'm having some trouble I didn't expect.

Sorry for wanting to participate in this game and not being able to do it (especially for the host, I'm feeling pretty bad about it tbh.) Next time I'll make sure I can be active in a mafia game before signing up.

going to vote for a blank mainly to avoid modkill. (but if you want to modkill me, Darth, I think its legitimate)

Death post (Won't be able to do it later) :
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Townie
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 02 2010 22:54 GMT
#594
lol
lalala
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 02 2010 23:08 GMT
#595
Roleclaiming inactive townie in a recruiting game is signing a death warrant. It makes him an excellent future recruit if he survives a few days. We'll have no baseline. While I lean towards believing him, I don't like it one bit. If he doesn't end up being lynched today, he should probably be basically autolynched at some point in the future when we're not sure who else to hit.

ElyAs, you can PM DTA and say "I can't play because something came up." The modkill would be reduced to a warning if you're giving notice rather than just flaking out. We could also get you an alternate. Anything beyond this is between you and the mod.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 02 2010 23:14 GMT
#596
Technically, he posted and voted. So no modkill.

lols at Death Posts before dying.

Super funny if I get to modkill L though.
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
July 02 2010 23:17 GMT
#597
On July 03 2010 08:14 DarthThienAn wrote:
Technically, he posted and voted. So no modkill.

lols at Death Posts before dying.

Super funny if I get to modkill L though.


x2 funny points if he was recruited
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 23:20:44
July 02 2010 23:20 GMT
#598
On July 03 2010 08:17 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 08:14 DarthThienAn wrote:
Technically, he posted and voted. So no modkill.

lols at Death Posts before dying.

Super funny if I get to modkill L though.


x2 funny points if he was recruited


Killing L is enough for me. Once L is out of the picture, I will have won and I will be unstoppable... xD


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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 02 2010 23:21 GMT
#599
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2010 07:45 ElyAs wrote:
I'm sorry and I want to explain myself.

First, I'm okay with you lynching me. It's a mislynch, but well, better me than a blue role.

Why ? Because today I couldn't be in front of my computer until now. The same will happen this week-end because I'm having some trouble I didn't expect.

Sorry for wanting to participate in this game and not being able to do it (especially for the host, I'm feeling pretty bad about it tbh.) Next time I'll make sure I can be active in a mafia game before signing up.

going to vote for a blank mainly to avoid modkill. (but if you want to modkill me, Darth, I think its legitimate)

Death post (Won't be able to do it later) :
+ Show Spoiler +
Townie



this to me = a green role
i am going to vote for the person who has the next most votes after elyas
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
July 02 2010 23:25 GMT
#600
Anyways, time to (try to) post something useful.

I would actually support a no-lynch at this point. The chances of elyas and I being mafia are extremely slim, and the only inactive/not posting person are elyas and I (L doesn't count)
I would propose that we keep more player in the game for now, as randomly lynching isn't very good IMO.
Therefore I would like to follow the roleblocking plan. If there was no night hit that day, good, the mafia might have decided not to kill, and the town remains at 20 people + the DT can now investigating. Even if the mafia does hit someone, we would have a confirmed (for now) townie.

P.S. I've lost count of how many death note references darth made now =.="
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