On January 18 2014 12:01 wei2coolman wrote: lack of engage from Dig hurt them. Leona's ult is awesome, but takes a lot of skills to use as the only initiation for a team.
He hit zero gamechangers. At least could hit same which Xpecial hit in mid against EG, getting Pete and Snoopeh stunned and instagibbed. Instead of it, he whiffed 3-4 probably.
It's easier to hit leona ult as a follow up engage, but not as a first ult out. If Crumbz had landed his cocoon, or if Scarra played something with CC, the leona ulti becomes a lot easier to hit.
EDIT: watching tsm vs c9. not understanding the adc pick with nunu. I see why they chose nunu, cuz they want more map control without sacrificing objective control (early sightstone, but has such strong jungling ability (the q)). Lucian doesn't need that much AS, dunno why they don't run this with more AS based ADC, especially since they tried to force the 2v1 early game, they could have gotten away with something like Kogmaw or Vayne.
Lucian ult scales off of AS so bloodboil actually makes his ult useful
Yes, because you should totally use Nunu's AS boost, for an ADC's ulti. that's still a huge opportunity cost loss in damage in comparison to autoattack based ADC.
All ADCs scale off of AS? Like literally the only difference between him and another ADC is that he has an extra ability which scales off of AS?
You're always bloodboiling the ADC anyway so like just having extra synergy is bad? I honestly don't understand what you're saying.
I'm saying, he doesn't make full use of the AS boost, the same reason why Lucian doesn't build AS outside of Triforce. Majority of his combat time is spent using ability, and interweaving already 100% boosted AS due to passive, that means he's only using the AS boost off of A) his ulti, or B) the 2 seconds he has when all his abilities are on Cd, after going through full rotation.
As opposed onto something like Kogmaw, who is just auto attack for days using full AS boost while in combat.
that's not to say thats why TSM lost though. need strong initiate to deal with something like teemo. Nasus/nunu, not good initiate.
EDIT: holy shit, dis zuna jungle so fucking scary, like wtf, such solid play. after getting doublebuff he camps wraiths for snoopeh, very smart jungler move.
Yeah ZUna did really well as Olaf, Elise.....not so much
On January 18 2014 12:01 wei2coolman wrote: lack of engage from Dig hurt them. Leona's ult is awesome, but takes a lot of skills to use as the only initiation for a team.
He hit zero gamechangers. At least could hit same which Xpecial hit in mid against EG, getting Pete and Snoopeh stunned and instagibbed. Instead of it, he whiffed 3-4 probably.
It's easier to hit leona ult as a follow up engage, but not as a first ult out. If Crumbz had landed his cocoon, or if Scarra played something with CC, the leona ulti becomes a lot easier to hit.
EDIT: watching tsm vs c9. not understanding the adc pick with nunu. I see why they chose nunu, cuz they want more map control without sacrificing objective control (early sightstone, but has such strong jungling ability (the q)). Lucian doesn't need that much AS, dunno why they don't run this with more AS based ADC, especially since they tried to force the 2v1 early game, they could have gotten away with something like Kogmaw or Vayne.
Lucian ult scales off of AS so bloodboil actually makes his ult useful
Yes, because you should totally use Nunu's AS boost, for an ADC's ulti. that's still a huge opportunity cost loss in damage in comparison to autoattack based ADC.
All ADCs scale off of AS? Like literally the only difference between him and another ADC is that he has an extra ability which scales off of AS?
You're always bloodboiling the ADC anyway so like just having extra synergy is bad? I honestly don't understand what you're saying.
I'm saying, he doesn't make full use of the AS boost, the same reason why Lucian doesn't build AS outside of Triforce. Majority of his combat time is spent using ability, and interweaving already 100% boosted AS due to passive, that means he's only using the AS boost off of A) his ulti, or B) the 2 seconds he has when all his abilities are on Cd, after going through full rotation.
As opposed onto something like Kogmaw, who is just auto attack for days using full AS boost while in combat.
that's not to say thats why TSM lost though. need strong initiate to deal with something like teemo. Nasus/nunu, not good initiate.
EDIT: holy shit, dis zuna jungle so fucking scary, like wtf, such solid play. after getting doublebuff he camps wraiths for snoopeh, very smart jungler move.
Yeah ZUna did really well as Olaf, Elise.....not so much
small correction: Zuna did well against EG, against C9... not so much
On January 18 2014 15:17 Shikyo wrote: I went to sleep yesterday so I watched the vods, eh... When you're playing vs HotshotGG, why do you not ban Nidalee? ;S
Cuz no one knows what the hell he plays in pro match, since he hasn't played in a long ass time, and he's only played leblanc and xerath in solo queue.
and lets be 100% honest, his nidalee was not what allowed CLG to win, it was vastly underwhelming.
On January 18 2014 15:17 Shikyo wrote: I went to sleep yesterday so I watched the vods, eh... When you're playing vs HotshotGG, why do you not ban Nidalee? ;S
Because he hit like 5 out of 250 spears on a champion.
That's probably being generous too. Also about 80% of the hits came in the last 2 minutes of the game.
On January 18 2014 15:46 cLutZ wrote: WTF is Nein's problem? Zac? I mean, sure you win with a troll composition with a troll jungler and a troll mid.
NVM, Dig just so bad this game makes no sense at all.
Zac worked out fine in their team comp, and had plenty of initiate. Now whether or not him losing early on was due to him or the champion is another thing. It might be a combo of both.
Too early to tell, but I felt Xmithie was pretty good on ADC. Zuna played great vs. EG, so more games will tell, but I feel like this change will continue to work out in the long run.
On January 18 2014 16:09 cLutZ wrote: Its just weird that he still has those really anti-meta comfort picks.
Like is he picking Irelia next game?
It's not so much anti-meta, as it is "non-fotm" meta. cuz it still fits in the "tanky top lane" meta, but it's probably non-optimal pick for that role.
We just don't see zac enough to make a call whether or not he can still hang with the fotm top laners, but as a overall role pick it doesn't fall too far out of the typical "tanky" top laners we've been seeing.
On January 18 2014 15:46 cLutZ wrote: WTF is Nein's problem? Zac? I mean, sure you win with a troll composition with a troll jungler and a troll mid.
NVM, Dig just so bad this game makes no sense at all.
Zac worked out fine in their team comp, and had plenty of initiate. Now whether or not him losing early on was due to him or the champion is another thing. It might be a combo of both.
He stayed even at farm in the early game. He only started to fall behind when Cruzer started to proxy farm and take the top jungle. Nien's impact on the game was bigger than Cruzer's and as you said the pick worked. Nobody would have complained about a Mundo but he would suffer as much as Zac against Shyvana.
As much shit as you guys are giving hotshot for spears, DIG was playing super far back and Hotshot did make a SUPER sick nidalee barrier weq flash out play and survive.
On January 18 2014 12:01 wei2coolman wrote: lack of engage from Dig hurt them. Leona's ult is awesome, but takes a lot of skills to use as the only initiation for a team.
He hit zero gamechangers. At least could hit same which Xpecial hit in mid against EG, getting Pete and Snoopeh stunned and instagibbed. Instead of it, he whiffed 3-4 probably.
It's easier to hit leona ult as a follow up engage, but not as a first ult out. If Crumbz had landed his cocoon, or if Scarra played something with CC, the leona ulti becomes a lot easier to hit.
EDIT: watching tsm vs c9. not understanding the adc pick with nunu. I see why they chose nunu, cuz they want more map control without sacrificing objective control (early sightstone, but has such strong jungling ability (the q)). Lucian doesn't need that much AS, dunno why they don't run this with more AS based ADC, especially since they tried to force the 2v1 early game, they could have gotten away with something like Kogmaw or Vayne.
Lucian ult scales off of AS so bloodboil actually makes his ult useful
Yes, because you should totally use Nunu's AS boost, for an ADC's ulti. that's still a huge opportunity cost loss in damage in comparison to autoattack based ADC.
All ADCs scale off of AS? Like literally the only difference between him and another ADC is that he has an extra ability which scales off of AS?
You're always bloodboiling the ADC anyway so like just having extra synergy is bad? I honestly don't understand what you're saying.
I'm saying, he doesn't make full use of the AS boost, the same reason why Lucian doesn't build AS outside of Triforce. Majority of his combat time is spent using ability, and interweaving already 100% boosted AS due to passive, that means he's only using the AS boost off of A) his ulti, or B) the 2 seconds he has when all his abilities are on Cd, after going through full rotation.
As opposed onto something like Kogmaw, who is just auto attack for days using full AS boost while in combat.
that's not to say thats why TSM lost though. need strong initiate to deal with something like teemo. Nasus/nunu, not good initiate.
EDIT: holy shit, dis zuna jungle so fucking scary, like wtf, such solid play. after getting doublebuff he camps wraiths for snoopeh, very smart jungler move.
Yeah ZUna did really well as Olaf, Elise.....not so much
small correction: Zuna did well against EG, against C9... not so much
even smaller correction: Zuna did well in game where he had doublebuffs until his buffs respawn. In other game...not so much.
I think Bjergsen TSM looks worse than Regi TSM. Reddit way overreacting to C9's Teemo pick, calling for nerfs after the champ gets picked once in the last like year competitively. Dig will be worst team in NA, can't even beat CLG when dexter > link in jungle and Link > Hotshot in mid. XDG role swap looks decent.
On January 19 2014 00:41 overt wrote: I think Bjergsen TSM looks worse than Regi TSM. Reddit way overreacting to C9's Teemo pick, calling for nerfs after the champ gets picked once in the last like year competitively. Dig will be worst team in NA, can't even beat CLG when dexter > link in jungle and Link > Hotshot in mid. XDG role swap looks decent.
This is what I basically got out of day 1.
Regi seemed way more impactful and a MUCH better play maker. Well see tho its only week 1
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