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Two things as public notice:
1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +
Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum.


2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future.

I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat.
Enjoy the games~

-Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120
TheNoob69
Profile Joined July 2013
Singapore102 Posts
September 23 2013 03:36 GMT
#41
SKT > GB
GG > NJS
FNC > C9
OMG > Royal

SKT > GG
FNC > OMG

SKT > FNC
personal predictions hue. inner eu fan wants to believe
MVP Hwaiting
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 23 2013 03:39 GMT
#42
On September 23 2013 12:33 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 10:24 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 23 2013 08:37 Fionn wrote:
On September 23 2013 08:26 Haiq343 wrote:
So do we have any rumors or other info on Bears? Aside from having the best logo I haven't heard anything about them at all.


They play really slow. Prioritize Shen. Always play into the late game. Don't like to tussle early. Shen, Ryze, etc. late game scaling champions that they can finally overwhelm an opponent.

The anti-SKT.

Sounds like old CLG.eu, and we know how well that worked out.

Almost beating WE or almost winning an OGN championship? Yeah, it's S3, but you made it sound like it was something bad during their time.

Can't wait for C9 vs Fnatic, though I'd rather had it as a semis, or god forbid, finals, haha. Imagine that! Still, the winner teams' region will have a good time in the future LRs, that's for sure:D (plot twist: C9 wins, proving USA is clearly superior, but then Gambit cashes in on ther promise, and takes it alll home! Maaaan... only if those Asian team weren't there; dang it!)

I was talking about how well it transitioned into s3.....
liftlift > tsm
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 23 2013 03:51 GMT
#43
On September 23 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 10:03 1ntrigue wrote:
On September 23 2013 08:56 Ketara wrote:
Wait the Cloud 9 game is at NOON what the fuck?

Yeah, cos you know, one half of the teams involved have a massive European following?

The games involving Asian teams are all played at later times.


I don't mind the times for the most part, but I sincerely wish they could be more consistent in their times. It's really weird to see one day start at 3 pm eastern, then the next day start at 10 pm eastern, leading up to a game that's scheduled to START at 1 am eastern. This is on a Tuesday as well, so it's fairly weird overall.


Let's face it. There are all sorts of things Riot can do better. :V
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
September 23 2013 03:57 GMT
#44
On September 23 2013 12:36 TheNoob69 wrote:
SKT > GB
GG > NJS
FNC > C9
OMG > Royal

SKT > GG
FNC > OMG

SKT > FNC
personal predictions hue. inner eu fan wants to believe

What a weaksauce EU fan. Fnatic 3-1 Gambit in the grand finals. #iwanttobelieve
Creator of LoLTool.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 23 2013 04:24 GMT
#45
SKT and the Bears is actually a pretty interesting match. SKT has shown that they can make some idiotic early game decisions, like Faker dying on Riven in the first ten seconds of the game or Impact going 1v3 TSM's dive, but they're able to work through the mistakes with brilliant individual skill and playmaking. From what I've seen of the Bears, they don't really have a 'superstar' player on the team and are a five man unit that will farm forever, play passive, and try to get to the late game for their teamwork to pay off.

It's like one of those movies where a team of unknowns work together to create something bigger than themselves, eventually beating the team that is built on individual skill and hubris.

Unfortunately, I feel like Faker and Piglet are just going to stomp on the Bears' face.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
September 23 2013 04:28 GMT
#46
Hey all.

If anyone wants to read a slightly more in depth preview, I've wrote one up Over at Quantic Gaming. I'm one of the people they hired to create League of Legends content so I'll be trying to get some interesting articles and interviews accomplished over the next few weeks

Comments always appreciated, even if you want to tell me I got everything wrong (which I probably did).
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
September 23 2013 04:28 GMT
#47
Oh cool, Monday it starts at 3pm EST (FK YEAH) instead of another 10pm Late Night Spectation.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 23 2013 04:32 GMT
#48
On September 23 2013 12:36 TheNoob69 wrote:
SKT > GB
GG > NJS
FNC > C9
OMG > Royal

SKT > GG
FNC > OMG

SKT > FNC
personal predictions hue. inner eu fan wants to believe


Ha, I posted nearly the exact same thing in the predictions thread, but with Royal beating OMG. I think OMG can win the tournament (and even beat SKT again!) if they can get past Royal, but Royal will be hard cause they know OMG's strats better than anyone else at Worlds.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
September 23 2013 04:41 GMT
#49
On September 23 2013 12:36 TheNoob69 wrote:
SKT > GB
GG > NJS
FNC > C9
OMG > Royal

SKT > GG
FNC > OMG

SKT > FNC
personal predictions hue. inner eu fan wants to believe

This is like my ideal scenario as well. Although I'd prefer Royal to advance over OMG, cuz I want to see more games out of them, but otherwise yeah. SKT vs Fnatic finals pls :D
Writer:o
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
September 23 2013 04:48 GMT
#50
SKT > GB
NJS> GG
C9 > FNC
Royal > OMG

NJS>SKT
Royal >C9

NJS > Royal

I can't wait to get every prediction wrong tomorrow/tuesday
Best Trashcan NA - LoL Summoner. SKT / CLG / Liquid
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9226 Posts
September 23 2013 05:02 GMT
#51
On September 23 2013 10:24 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 08:37 Fionn wrote:
On September 23 2013 08:26 Haiq343 wrote:
So do we have any rumors or other info on Bears? Aside from having the best logo I haven't heard anything about them at all.


They play really slow. Prioritize Shen. Always play into the late game. Don't like to tussle early. Shen, Ryze, etc. late game scaling champions that they can finally overwhelm an opponent.

The anti-SKT.

Sounds like old CLG.eu, and we know how well that worked out.

They're not llike CLG.eu was, their picks aren't particularly lategame oriented and their games tend to end in average or below average time. They even crushed ahq, one of the favorites, in two ~20min games.

The only resemblance is that they don't take many risks. They snowball in a controlled methodical way which is why they are the opposite of Vulcun, they are the neverthrows, once theye have a lead they suffocate their opponents. However, due to this style they also have a very low comeback potential which will hurt them against STK if they're off to a bad start.

Also I should add that NL isn't particularly better than his teammates, he has an LCS Spring Cop-like KDA in games but he's not a playmaker. Their jungler and toplaner are the ones that get the ball rolling, while their bottom and mid only ensure that it keeps rolling.
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
September 23 2013 05:05 GMT
#52
On September 23 2013 12:33 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 10:24 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 23 2013 08:37 Fionn wrote:
On September 23 2013 08:26 Haiq343 wrote:
So do we have any rumors or other info on Bears? Aside from having the best logo I haven't heard anything about them at all.


They play really slow. Prioritize Shen. Always play into the late game. Don't like to tussle early. Shen, Ryze, etc. late game scaling champions that they can finally overwhelm an opponent.

The anti-SKT.

Sounds like old CLG.eu, and we know how well that worked out.

Almost beating WE or almost winning an OGN championship? Yeah, it's S3, but you made it sound like it was something bad during their time.

Can't wait for C9 vs Fnatic, though I'd rather had it as a semis, or god forbid, finals, haha. Imagine that! Still, the winner teams' region will have a good time in the future LRs, that's for sure:D (plot twist: C9 wins, proving USA is clearly superior, but then Gambit cashes in on ther promise, and takes it alll home! Maaaan... only if those Asian team weren't there; dang it!)

I think the comparison is more like that's what old clg.eu did, and they had to stray away from that style since it's outdated. And the problem is, GB is trying to do that sort of playstyle now.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 05:28:09
September 23 2013 05:27 GMT
#53
Bears don't really play 'slow' and drawn out compared to Taiwan, but they average like 37 minute games. I think they're best compared to Lemondogs. China and Korea both average around 30 minutes. All the games so far, even between the best teams of the group, have been around 28-32 minute range. I don't think it's going to work, or their counter-punching/passive style will really work against the Koreans, Chinese or the high tempo Fnatic.

OMG, SKT, and Fnatic would have all been terrible match-ups for the Bears.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 23 2013 05:29 GMT
#54
On September 23 2013 14:27 Fionn wrote:
Bears don't really play 'slow' and drawn out compared to Taiwan, but they average like 37 minute games. I think they're best compared to Lemondogs. China and Korea both average around 30 minutes. All the games so far, even between the best teams of the group, have been around 28-32 minute range. I don't think it's going to work, or their counter-punching/passive style will really work against the Koreans, Chinese or the high tempo Fnatic.

OMG, SKT, and Fnatic would have all been terrible match-ups for the Bears.

I think SKT is a bad matchup for anyone tbh.
liftlift > tsm
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 05:33:28
September 23 2013 05:32 GMT
#55
On September 23 2013 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 14:27 Fionn wrote:
Bears don't really play 'slow' and drawn out compared to Taiwan, but they average like 37 minute games. I think they're best compared to Lemondogs. China and Korea both average around 30 minutes. All the games so far, even between the best teams of the group, have been around 28-32 minute range. I don't think it's going to work, or their counter-punching/passive style will really work against the Koreans, Chinese or the high tempo Fnatic.

OMG, SKT, and Fnatic would have all been terrible match-ups for the Bears.

I think SKT is a bad matchup for anyone tbh.


Royal in a Bo3 would have been extremely dangerous for SKT. Seeing as it takes them usually one game to adapt to a team that does something crazy or new to them, Royal really could have SKT off guard with their level 1 strategies. While Faker would probably dwarf White in lane, Uzi and Tabe would be to hold their own or even beat Piglet and Pooh depending on how well SKT's research and prep was.

Drawing OMG really takes away a lot of Royal's power. They would have been scary for Gambit, Fnatic or SKT, but OMG know how they play and should be ready for them.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 23 2013 05:36 GMT
#56
On September 23 2013 14:32 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 23 2013 14:27 Fionn wrote:
Bears don't really play 'slow' and drawn out compared to Taiwan, but they average like 37 minute games. I think they're best compared to Lemondogs. China and Korea both average around 30 minutes. All the games so far, even between the best teams of the group, have been around 28-32 minute range. I don't think it's going to work, or their counter-punching/passive style will really work against the Koreans, Chinese or the high tempo Fnatic.

OMG, SKT, and Fnatic would have all been terrible match-ups for the Bears.

I think SKT is a bad matchup for anyone tbh.


Royal in a Bo3 would have been extremely dangerous for SKT. Seeing as it takes them usually one game to adapt to a team that does something crazy or new to them, Royal really could have SKT off guard with their level 1 strategies. While Faker would probably dwarf White in lane, Uzi and Tabe would be to hold their own or even beat Piglet and Pooh depending on how well SKT's research and prep was.

Drawing OMG really takes away a lot of Royal's power. They would have been scary for Gambit, Fnatic or SKT, but OMG know how they play and should be ready for them.

Royal is scary for the same reason NJS is, in terms of tourney draws right now. Mostly because no one knows where their powerlevels are at.

But in terms of those quarterfinal drawings, I'm pretty fucking sure every seeded team wanted to avoid SKT and OMG no matter what.
liftlift > tsm
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
September 23 2013 05:52 GMT
#57
SKT > GB
NJS > GG
C9 > FNC
OMG > Royal

SKT > NJS
C9 > OMG

C9 > SKT

I believe! NA baby!
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 23 2013 05:53 GMT
#58
On September 23 2013 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 14:32 Fionn wrote:
On September 23 2013 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 23 2013 14:27 Fionn wrote:
Bears don't really play 'slow' and drawn out compared to Taiwan, but they average like 37 minute games. I think they're best compared to Lemondogs. China and Korea both average around 30 minutes. All the games so far, even between the best teams of the group, have been around 28-32 minute range. I don't think it's going to work, or their counter-punching/passive style will really work against the Koreans, Chinese or the high tempo Fnatic.

OMG, SKT, and Fnatic would have all been terrible match-ups for the Bears.

I think SKT is a bad matchup for anyone tbh.


Royal in a Bo3 would have been extremely dangerous for SKT. Seeing as it takes them usually one game to adapt to a team that does something crazy or new to them, Royal really could have SKT off guard with their level 1 strategies. While Faker would probably dwarf White in lane, Uzi and Tabe would be to hold their own or even beat Piglet and Pooh depending on how well SKT's research and prep was.

Drawing OMG really takes away a lot of Royal's power. They would have been scary for Gambit, Fnatic or SKT, but OMG know how they play and should be ready for them.

Royal is scary for the same reason NJS is, in terms of tourney draws right now. Mostly because no one knows where their powerlevels are at.

But in terms of those quarterfinal drawings, I'm pretty fucking sure every seeded team wanted to avoid SKT and OMG no matter what.


That makes no sense we saw OMG play Royal a week before the finals, it's not even close to the NJS situation
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 23 2013 05:58 GMT
#59
On September 23 2013 14:53 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 23 2013 14:32 Fionn wrote:
On September 23 2013 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 23 2013 14:27 Fionn wrote:
Bears don't really play 'slow' and drawn out compared to Taiwan, but they average like 37 minute games. I think they're best compared to Lemondogs. China and Korea both average around 30 minutes. All the games so far, even between the best teams of the group, have been around 28-32 minute range. I don't think it's going to work, or their counter-punching/passive style will really work against the Koreans, Chinese or the high tempo Fnatic.

OMG, SKT, and Fnatic would have all been terrible match-ups for the Bears.

I think SKT is a bad matchup for anyone tbh.


Royal in a Bo3 would have been extremely dangerous for SKT. Seeing as it takes them usually one game to adapt to a team that does something crazy or new to them, Royal really could have SKT off guard with their level 1 strategies. While Faker would probably dwarf White in lane, Uzi and Tabe would be to hold their own or even beat Piglet and Pooh depending on how well SKT's research and prep was.

Drawing OMG really takes away a lot of Royal's power. They would have been scary for Gambit, Fnatic or SKT, but OMG know how they play and should be ready for them.

Royal is scary for the same reason NJS is, in terms of tourney draws right now. Mostly because no one knows where their powerlevels are at.

But in terms of those quarterfinal drawings, I'm pretty fucking sure every seeded team wanted to avoid SKT and OMG no matter what.


That makes no sense we saw OMG play Royal a week before the finals, it's not even close to the NJS situation

The microcosm that is the chinese scene makes it really hard for teams to judge how good Royal is
liftlift > tsm
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
September 23 2013 06:02 GMT
#60
On September 23 2013 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 14:32 Fionn wrote:
On September 23 2013 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 23 2013 14:27 Fionn wrote:
Bears don't really play 'slow' and drawn out compared to Taiwan, but they average like 37 minute games. I think they're best compared to Lemondogs. China and Korea both average around 30 minutes. All the games so far, even between the best teams of the group, have been around 28-32 minute range. I don't think it's going to work, or their counter-punching/passive style will really work against the Koreans, Chinese or the high tempo Fnatic.

OMG, SKT, and Fnatic would have all been terrible match-ups for the Bears.

I think SKT is a bad matchup for anyone tbh.


Royal in a Bo3 would have been extremely dangerous for SKT. Seeing as it takes them usually one game to adapt to a team that does something crazy or new to them, Royal really could have SKT off guard with their level 1 strategies. While Faker would probably dwarf White in lane, Uzi and Tabe would be to hold their own or even beat Piglet and Pooh depending on how well SKT's research and prep was.

Drawing OMG really takes away a lot of Royal's power. They would have been scary for Gambit, Fnatic or SKT, but OMG know how they play and should be ready for them.

Royal is scary for the same reason NJS is, in terms of tourney draws right now. Mostly because no one knows where their powerlevels are at.

I don't think it's just that they're unknown; I think Fionn is trying to say a bit more and based on what I read and watched I would tend to agree:

1) I think SKT's super early game is the best time to inflict damage on SKT and disrupt everything.
2) I've also read that Royal loves their weird low-level skirmishing which is exactly the short of shit that can catch SKT off guard.
3) SKT, to me, kinda feels like BW Jaedong right now with their LWWW and LLWWW victories; they need time to figure out their opponents and pull through with good adaptive play. Fuck it took them the entire Bo5 to adapt to KT Bullets and pull a GGPlay; what if KTB and SKT met in a Bo3 instead? KTB might have 2-0ed them and made SKT look like noobs
4) Because Riot is dumb, quarterfinals are only Bo3
5) Royal has to be quite good in order to 3-1 OMG, even if OMG might be fundamentally better like someone mentioned earlier

If Royal drew SKT for Bo3 quarterfinals, I would be really really hesitant to put money on SKT due to all of these factors.
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