I thought the ARAM was fun and all the shit after it just shows how much unprofessionnal Riot and MLG are... Take the time to actually make the situation clear then make the decision. In my point of view, Riot and MLG just thought, after this ARAM, that curse and dignitas agreed on who was going to win and decided to punish them without any kind of proof aside from their own point of view / feeling about an ARAM.
Or they punished them for the ARAM and thought after that they needed a better excuse and just said that curse and dignitas agreed on the winner beforehand.
Either way it's kinda noobish, being professionnal also means accepting your own mistakes.
And the same for TotalBiscuit, saying lol e-sport is a joke via twitter, is kinda idiotic from him.
On August 27 2012 21:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Man, I dislike this immensely. While I realise that MLG and co have a business to run and so on and so forth, Predeciding on an ARAM game to decide a set is not a sin, so long as both teams actually play to compete/win. The faux pas is on Riot/MLG here, because there is absolutely nothing in the game that says you can't do this, nor (I'm pretty damn sure) in MLG's rulebook.
Before you jump on me for saying this, consider that in this case the tournament managers are redefining the rules of the game simply because it did not give them the games they wanted. There is nothing in LoL that says you have to run in all three lanes with a jungler. In fact, there is NOTHING IN LOL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY AT ALL. There is what you can and what you can't do. This is the case with all videogames. This is what makes videogames particularly interesting and unique.
Worse, they decided to strip the teams of their prizes and prestige because they disagreed with the way they played. That shows intense disrespect for the players. Ultimately, without them we would have no tournaments, no pro scene, nothing. Perhaps afterwards everyone can agree that it would be better if this doesn't happen again, make some amendments and there we go. But saying 'you didn't play the way the audience felt you should play because you thought it would be more enjoyable' is absolutely, positively and completely not a justifiable reason for the action they took.
I should state that IF it comes out that the teams DID pre-determine a winner or both knowingly bias the competition one way or another, that is deserving of this punishment since that is clearly against both the spirit and letter of tournament rules. I don't feel that deciding to split the prize pool is so serious however. It's definitely not something you should do, but ultimately it's a moral judgement for the players. There's no caveat in the rules that say you can't do certain things with your money, and it's ultimately un-policeable in any case. It is not the place of MLG or Riot to take action in that case, it is the place of the community of players and spectators to make it clear that that sort of conduct is unacceptable through censure.
In any case, I think this is pretty bullshit scapegoating and does a lot to harm esports athletes. it may have some serious complications down the track.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
And if it isn't against the rules why is there a precedent for agreeing to split prize money before the match?
On August 27 2012 21:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Man, I dislike this immensely. While I realise that MLG and co have a business to run and so on and so forth, Predeciding on an ARAM game to decide a set is not a sin, so long as both teams actually play to compete/win. The faux pas is on Riot/MLG here, because there is absolutely nothing in the game that says you can't do this, nor (I'm pretty damn sure) in MLG's rulebook.
Before you jump on me for saying this, consider that in this case the tournament managers are redefining the rules of the game simply because it did not give them the games they wanted. There is nothing in LoL that says you have to run in all three lanes with a jungler. In fact, there is NOTHING IN LOL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY AT ALL. There is what you can and what you can't do. This is the case with all videogames. This is what makes videogames particularly interesting and unique.
Worse, they decided to strip the teams of their prizes and prestige because they disagreed with the way they played. That shows intense disrespect for the players. Ultimately, without them we would have no tournaments, no pro scene, nothing. Perhaps afterwards everyone can agree that it would be better if this doesn't happen again, make some amendments and there we go. But saying 'you didn't play the way the audience felt you should play because you thought it would be more enjoyable' is absolutely, positively and completely not a justifiable reason for the action they took.
I should state that IF it comes out that the teams DID pre-determine a winner or both knowingly bias the competition one way or another, that is deserving of this punishment since that is clearly against both the spirit and letter of tournament rules. I don't feel that deciding to split the prize pool is so serious however. It's definitely not something you should do, but ultimately it's a moral judgement for the players. There's no caveat in the rules that say you can't do certain things with your money, and it's ultimately un-policeable in any case. It is not the place of MLG or Riot to take action in that case, it is the place of the community of players and spectators to make it clear that that sort of conduct is unacceptable through censure.
In any case, I think this is pretty bullshit scapegoating and does a lot to harm esports athletes. it may have some serious complications down the track.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
And if it isn't against the rules why is there a precedent for agreeing to split prize money before the match?
Making one ARAM match is not disrespecting the competition, it is giving a show and I thought it was quite a good show (the casters too, and most of my friends too).
On August 27 2012 21:44 WhiteDog wrote: I thought the ARAM was fun and all the shit after it just shows how much unprofessionnal Riot and MLG are... Take the time to actually make the situation clear then make the decision. In my point of view, Riot and MLG just thought, after this ARAM, that curse and dignitas agreed on who was going to win and decided to punish them without any kind of proof aside from their own point of view / feeling about an ARAM.
Or they punished them for the ARAM and thought after that they needed a better excuse and just said that curse and dignitas agreed on the winner beforehand.
Either way it's kinda noobish, being professionnal also means accepting your own mistakes.
I understand why they reacted that way, they want to show that they are serious about esport etc. But the explanation for the decision is indeed lacking.
I also wish that MLG admins had never allowed the ARAM to go ahead in the first place. Or that they revoked the result of the ARAM immediatly after. But they did neither and and just realized later on that an ARAM in the final was actually unacceptable. So MLG also deserves a portion of the blame here.
On August 27 2012 21:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Man, I dislike this immensely. While I realise that MLG and co have a business to run and so on and so forth, Predeciding on an ARAM game to decide a set is not a sin, so long as both teams actually play to compete/win. The faux pas is on Riot/MLG here, because there is absolutely nothing in the game that says you can't do this, nor (I'm pretty damn sure) in MLG's rulebook.
Before you jump on me for saying this, consider that in this case the tournament managers are redefining the rules of the game simply because it did not give them the games they wanted. There is nothing in LoL that says you have to run in all three lanes with a jungler. In fact, there is NOTHING IN LOL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY AT ALL. There is what you can and what you can't do. This is the case with all videogames. This is what makes videogames particularly interesting and unique.
Worse, they decided to strip the teams of their prizes and prestige because they disagreed with the way they played. That shows intense disrespect for the players. Ultimately, without them we would have no tournaments, no pro scene, nothing. Perhaps afterwards everyone can agree that it would be better if this doesn't happen again, make some amendments and there we go. But saying 'you didn't play the way the audience felt you should play because you thought it would be more enjoyable' is absolutely, positively and completely not a justifiable reason for the action they took.
I should state that IF it comes out that the teams DID pre-determine a winner or both knowingly bias the competition one way or another, that is deserving of this punishment since that is clearly against both the spirit and letter of tournament rules. I don't feel that deciding to split the prize pool is so serious however. It's definitely not something you should do, but ultimately it's a moral judgement for the players. There's no caveat in the rules that say you can't do certain things with your money, and it's ultimately un-policeable in any case. It is not the place of MLG or Riot to take action in that case, it is the place of the community of players and spectators to make it clear that that sort of conduct is unacceptable through censure.
In any case, I think this is pretty bullshit scapegoating and does a lot to harm esports athletes. it may have some serious complications down the track.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
And if it isn't against the rules why is there a precedent for agreeing to split prize money before the match?
Making one ARAM match is not disrespecting the competition, it is giving a show and I thought it was quite a good show (the casters too, and most of my friends too).
You think making an ARAM match is truly trying your best to win and taking the competition seriously? Would you ARAM at Regionals? If you wouldn't that answers the question for you.
On August 27 2012 21:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Man, I dislike this immensely. While I realise that MLG and co have a business to run and so on and so forth, Predeciding on an ARAM game to decide a set is not a sin, so long as both teams actually play to compete/win. The faux pas is on Riot/MLG here, because there is absolutely nothing in the game that says you can't do this, nor (I'm pretty damn sure) in MLG's rulebook.
Before you jump on me for saying this, consider that in this case the tournament managers are redefining the rules of the game simply because it did not give them the games they wanted. There is nothing in LoL that says you have to run in all three lanes with a jungler. In fact, there is NOTHING IN LOL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY AT ALL. There is what you can and what you can't do. This is the case with all videogames. This is what makes videogames particularly interesting and unique.
Worse, they decided to strip the teams of their prizes and prestige because they disagreed with the way they played. That shows intense disrespect for the players. Ultimately, without them we would have no tournaments, no pro scene, nothing. Perhaps afterwards everyone can agree that it would be better if this doesn't happen again, make some amendments and there we go. But saying 'you didn't play the way the audience felt you should play because you thought it would be more enjoyable' is absolutely, positively and completely not a justifiable reason for the action they took.
I should state that IF it comes out that the teams DID pre-determine a winner or both knowingly bias the competition one way or another, that is deserving of this punishment since that is clearly against both the spirit and letter of tournament rules. I don't feel that deciding to split the prize pool is so serious however. It's definitely not something you should do, but ultimately it's a moral judgement for the players. There's no caveat in the rules that say you can't do certain things with your money, and it's ultimately un-policeable in any case. It is not the place of MLG or Riot to take action in that case, it is the place of the community of players and spectators to make it clear that that sort of conduct is unacceptable through censure.
In any case, I think this is pretty bullshit scapegoating and does a lot to harm esports athletes. it may have some serious complications down the track.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
And if it isn't against the rules why is there a precedent for agreeing to split prize money before the match?
Making one ARAM match is not disrespecting the competition, it is giving a show and I thought it was quite a good show (the casters too, and most of my friends too).
There is a time and place for a "show" The las vegas show match against Rioters (Maknoon with dunkmaster Yi).
The finals of a Seasonal Championship is not the time or place to goof around. There were teams there giving it there all just to secure a spot and maybe win some prize money. What dig/Cr did is a slap in the face to every single league of legends team.
On August 27 2012 21:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Man, I dislike this immensely. While I realise that MLG and co have a business to run and so on and so forth, Predeciding on an ARAM game to decide a set is not a sin, so long as both teams actually play to compete/win. The faux pas is on Riot/MLG here, because there is absolutely nothing in the game that says you can't do this, nor (I'm pretty damn sure) in MLG's rulebook.
Before you jump on me for saying this, consider that in this case the tournament managers are redefining the rules of the game simply because it did not give them the games they wanted. There is nothing in LoL that says you have to run in all three lanes with a jungler. In fact, there is NOTHING IN LOL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY AT ALL. There is what you can and what you can't do. This is the case with all videogames. This is what makes videogames particularly interesting and unique.
Worse, they decided to strip the teams of their prizes and prestige because they disagreed with the way they played. That shows intense disrespect for the players. Ultimately, without them we would have no tournaments, no pro scene, nothing. Perhaps afterwards everyone can agree that it would be better if this doesn't happen again, make some amendments and there we go. But saying 'you didn't play the way the audience felt you should play because you thought it would be more enjoyable' is absolutely, positively and completely not a justifiable reason for the action they took.
I should state that IF it comes out that the teams DID pre-determine a winner or both knowingly bias the competition one way or another, that is deserving of this punishment since that is clearly against both the spirit and letter of tournament rules. I don't feel that deciding to split the prize pool is so serious however. It's definitely not something you should do, but ultimately it's a moral judgement for the players. There's no caveat in the rules that say you can't do certain things with your money, and it's ultimately un-policeable in any case. It is not the place of MLG or Riot to take action in that case, it is the place of the community of players and spectators to make it clear that that sort of conduct is unacceptable through censure.
In any case, I think this is pretty bullshit scapegoating and does a lot to harm esports athletes. it may have some serious complications down the track.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
And if it isn't against the rules why is there a precedent for agreeing to split prize money before the match?
Making one ARAM match is not disrespecting the competition, it is giving a show and I thought it was quite a good show (the casters too, and most of my friends too).
You think making an ARAM match is truly trying your best to win and taking the competition seriously? Would you ARAM at Regionals? If you wouldn't that answers the question for you.
ARAM is a set up, if the two teams still try their best within that set up, then the competition is taken seriously. Did they agree to let the game ? No they were trying their best to win, but it was ARAM.
On August 27 2012 21:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Man, I dislike this immensely. While I realise that MLG and co have a business to run and so on and so forth, Predeciding on an ARAM game to decide a set is not a sin, so long as both teams actually play to compete/win. The faux pas is on Riot/MLG here, because there is absolutely nothing in the game that says you can't do this, nor (I'm pretty damn sure) in MLG's rulebook.
Before you jump on me for saying this, consider that in this case the tournament managers are redefining the rules of the game simply because it did not give them the games they wanted. There is nothing in LoL that says you have to run in all three lanes with a jungler. In fact, there is NOTHING IN LOL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY AT ALL. There is what you can and what you can't do. This is the case with all videogames. This is what makes videogames particularly interesting and unique.
Worse, they decided to strip the teams of their prizes and prestige because they disagreed with the way they played. That shows intense disrespect for the players. Ultimately, without them we would have no tournaments, no pro scene, nothing. Perhaps afterwards everyone can agree that it would be better if this doesn't happen again, make some amendments and there we go. But saying 'you didn't play the way the audience felt you should play because you thought it would be more enjoyable' is absolutely, positively and completely not a justifiable reason for the action they took.
I should state that IF it comes out that the teams DID pre-determine a winner or both knowingly bias the competition one way or another, that is deserving of this punishment since that is clearly against both the spirit and letter of tournament rules. I don't feel that deciding to split the prize pool is so serious however. It's definitely not something you should do, but ultimately it's a moral judgement for the players. There's no caveat in the rules that say you can't do certain things with your money, and it's ultimately un-policeable in any case. It is not the place of MLG or Riot to take action in that case, it is the place of the community of players and spectators to make it clear that that sort of conduct is unacceptable through censure.
In any case, I think this is pretty bullshit scapegoating and does a lot to harm esports athletes. it may have some serious complications down the track.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
And if it isn't against the rules why is there a precedent for agreeing to split prize money before the match?
Making one ARAM match is not disrespecting the competition, it is giving a show and I thought it was quite a good show (the casters too, and most of my friends too).
There is a time and place for a "show" The las vegas show match against Rioters (Maknoon with dunkmaster Yi).
The finals of a Seasonal Championship is not the time or place to goof around. There were teams there giving it there all just to secure a spot and maybe win some prize money. What dig/Cr did is a slap in the face to every single league of legends team.
On August 27 2012 21:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Man, I dislike this immensely. While I realise that MLG and co have a business to run and so on and so forth, Predeciding on an ARAM game to decide a set is not a sin, so long as both teams actually play to compete/win. The faux pas is on Riot/MLG here, because there is absolutely nothing in the game that says you can't do this, nor (I'm pretty damn sure) in MLG's rulebook.
Before you jump on me for saying this, consider that in this case the tournament managers are redefining the rules of the game simply because it did not give them the games they wanted. There is nothing in LoL that says you have to run in all three lanes with a jungler. In fact, there is NOTHING IN LOL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY AT ALL. There is what you can and what you can't do. This is the case with all videogames. This is what makes videogames particularly interesting and unique.
Worse, they decided to strip the teams of their prizes and prestige because they disagreed with the way they played. That shows intense disrespect for the players. Ultimately, without them we would have no tournaments, no pro scene, nothing. Perhaps afterwards everyone can agree that it would be better if this doesn't happen again, make some amendments and there we go. But saying 'you didn't play the way the audience felt you should play because you thought it would be more enjoyable' is absolutely, positively and completely not a justifiable reason for the action they took.
I should state that IF it comes out that the teams DID pre-determine a winner or both knowingly bias the competition one way or another, that is deserving of this punishment since that is clearly against both the spirit and letter of tournament rules. I don't feel that deciding to split the prize pool is so serious however. It's definitely not something you should do, but ultimately it's a moral judgement for the players. There's no caveat in the rules that say you can't do certain things with your money, and it's ultimately un-policeable in any case. It is not the place of MLG or Riot to take action in that case, it is the place of the community of players and spectators to make it clear that that sort of conduct is unacceptable through censure.
In any case, I think this is pretty bullshit scapegoating and does a lot to harm esports athletes. it may have some serious complications down the track.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
And if it isn't against the rules why is there a precedent for agreeing to split prize money before the match?
Making one ARAM match is not disrespecting the competition, it is giving a show and I thought it was quite a good show (the casters too, and most of my friends too).
You think making an ARAM match is truly trying your best to win and taking the competition seriously? Would you ARAM at Regionals? If you wouldn't that answers the question for you.
ARAM is a set up, if the two teams still try their best within that set up, then the competition is taken seriously. Did they agree to let the game ? No they were trying their best to win, but it was ARAM.
On August 27 2012 21:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Man, I dislike this immensely. While I realise that MLG and co have a business to run and so on and so forth, Predeciding on an ARAM game to decide a set is not a sin, so long as both teams actually play to compete/win. The faux pas is on Riot/MLG here, because there is absolutely nothing in the game that says you can't do this, nor (I'm pretty damn sure) in MLG's rulebook.
Before you jump on me for saying this, consider that in this case the tournament managers are redefining the rules of the game simply because it did not give them the games they wanted. There is nothing in LoL that says you have to run in all three lanes with a jungler. In fact, there is NOTHING IN LOL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY AT ALL. There is what you can and what you can't do. This is the case with all videogames. This is what makes videogames particularly interesting and unique.
Worse, they decided to strip the teams of their prizes and prestige because they disagreed with the way they played. That shows intense disrespect for the players. Ultimately, without them we would have no tournaments, no pro scene, nothing. Perhaps afterwards everyone can agree that it would be better if this doesn't happen again, make some amendments and there we go. But saying 'you didn't play the way the audience felt you should play because you thought it would be more enjoyable' is absolutely, positively and completely not a justifiable reason for the action they took.
I should state that IF it comes out that the teams DID pre-determine a winner or both knowingly bias the competition one way or another, that is deserving of this punishment since that is clearly against both the spirit and letter of tournament rules. I don't feel that deciding to split the prize pool is so serious however. It's definitely not something you should do, but ultimately it's a moral judgement for the players. There's no caveat in the rules that say you can't do certain things with your money, and it's ultimately un-policeable in any case. It is not the place of MLG or Riot to take action in that case, it is the place of the community of players and spectators to make it clear that that sort of conduct is unacceptable through censure.
In any case, I think this is pretty bullshit scapegoating and does a lot to harm esports athletes. it may have some serious complications down the track.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
And if it isn't against the rules why is there a precedent for agreeing to split prize money before the match?
Making one ARAM match is not disrespecting the competition, it is giving a show and I thought it was quite a good show (the casters too, and most of my friends too).
There is a time and place for a "show" The las vegas show match against Rioters (Maknoon with dunkmaster Yi).
The finals of a Seasonal Championship is not the time or place to goof around. There were teams there giving it there all just to secure a spot and maybe win some prize money. What dig/Cr did is a slap in the face to every single league of legends team.
One game out of a best of five.
The competition isn't being taken seriously by default when they ARAM.
And yes just one game. One game is so minuscule. In fact let's have the first game of each NBA Finals be a dunk contest. Fun for all, doesn't demean the competition at all.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
They disrespect it so much they dropped their whole lives just to play games to qualify for it, investing all their time in being good enough to take on all comers in no-holds-barred competition within the rules.
They disrespect it so much they are willing to work for a pittance compared to someone doing a 9/5 job despite probably sinking more hours and having a portion of even those meager earnings be entirely dependant on being in the top few players in the world, plus a whole lot of luck. (I should point out that maybe 20 LoL players in the world make more than a couple of hundred dollars a month streaming before someone goes on about salaries and streaming revenue)
They disrespect it so much that they, despite enduring publicity (which is not as stress free as we like to think), being used as marketing tools to make companies like MLG and riot literally hundreds of times as much profit each year than they can expect to earn in their career, without any collective bargaining power or framework for appealing any decision by these companies as regards their rights, within a day release a (presumably) genuine apology because THEY FEEL they let their fans down by deciding to change things up a bit. I should stress that these apologies are probably unscripted because there is no way a modern company would let them begin by prefacing/clarifying their point of view on the situation, you just don't do that in damage control shoots.
In short, they have every single fucking reason to not respect the competition right now. And they STILL DO. I am kind of sick of this attitude of games companies that they are artiste auteurs and we lowly people who use their products should lick up every bit of filth they let drop.
A game is defined by its players. I think, personally, that it's fucking incredible that two teams of professional sportsmen can agree to a futher limitation on gameplay, stick to it and stand by the results ungrudgingly at the end of that game. This should be celebrated, not shit on. This is one of the best, brightest parts of gamer culture, our ability at our best to be the BEST sports in the world, to counteract our ability to be the worst the rest of the time. They made a statement, we are a community, we are friends, this is OUR game.
And we told them, in order, that they aren't, they aren't, and it's not. How many of them do you think are going to keep playing a game that they cannot, in some way, have a little ownership of.
The ARAM wasn't even the issue. Why are you acting like it was the reason they lost their standings in the event. They agreed to split the money and do match fixing. Thats a crime in the esports would that deserves a lifetime ban. The fact probably is that Riot told them not to ban them for life which is what mlg has done in the past for people who match fixed.
they were probably gona just quietly ban arams in the future. thats what the tweets from riot said at least.
Tbh I think that crs is just in pr mode. saying that it was because of aram is better then them admitting that they match fixed.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
They disrespect it so much they dropped their whole lives just to play games to qualify for it, investing all their time in being good enough to take on all comers in no-holds-barred competition within the rules.
They disrespect it so much they are willing to work for a pittance compared to someone doing a 9/5 job despite probably sinking more hours and having a portion of even those meager earnings be entirely dependant on being in the top few players in the world, plus a whole lot of luck. (I should point out that maybe 20 LoL players in the world make more than a couple of hundred dollars a month streaming before someone goes on about salaries and streaming revenue)
They disrespect it so much that they, despite enduring publicity (which is not as stress free as we like to think), being used as marketing tools to make companies like MLG and riot literally hundreds of times as much profit each year than they can expect to earn in their career, without any collective bargaining power or framework for appealing any decision by these companies as regards their rights, within a day release a (presumably) genuine apology because THEY FEEL they let their fans down by deciding to change things up a bit. I should stress that these apologies are probably unscripted because there is no way a modern company would let them begin by prefacing/clarifying their point of view on the situation, you just don't do that in damage control shoots.
In short, they have every single fucking reason to not respect the competition right now. And they STILL DO.
You say all this stuff but that still doesn't change the fact that if they respected the competition they wouldn't ARAM. They chose not to play it seriously, even if it was for just one game. They chose to put entertainment above competition. How is that respecting the competition in any way?
The ARAM in my opinion isnt as big of a deal as conspiring to let dig overtake CLG for 2nd place to make CLG get probably one of the harder first round matches vs Dynamic while allowing curse to still face evo and giving dig Legion.
How is an aram not serious? If both teams play their utmost to win, it is still a serious competition. If a tennis game is played with the wrong ends of the rackets, or a soccer game played with 3 men a side sitting out, it does not make it any less of a contest, in fact it perhaps makes it more of one since the players have to demonstrate adaptability.
It's that fact that makes it entertaining. that it is, in its own way, MORE competitive than a typical game. If it wasn't competitive, it would be boring.
Not responding to the whole post but why respect players who clearly do not respect the competition?
They disrespect it so much they dropped their whole lives just to play games to qualify for it, investing all their time in being good enough to take on all comers in no-holds-barred competition within the rules.
They disrespect it so much they are willing to work for a pittance compared to someone doing a 9/5 job despite probably sinking more hours and having a portion of even those meager earnings be entirely dependant on being in the top few players in the world, plus a whole lot of luck. (I should point out that maybe 20 LoL players in the world make more than a couple of hundred dollars a month streaming before someone goes on about salaries and streaming revenue)
They disrespect it so much that they, despite enduring publicity (which is not as stress free as we like to think), being used as marketing tools to make companies like MLG and riot literally hundreds of times as much profit each year than they can expect to earn in their career, without any collective bargaining power or framework for appealing any decision by these companies as regards their rights, within a day release a (presumably) genuine apology because THEY FEEL they let their fans down by deciding to change things up a bit. I should stress that these apologies are probably unscripted because there is no way a modern company would let them begin by prefacing/clarifying their point of view on the situation, you just don't do that in damage control shoots.
In short, they have every single fucking reason to not respect the competition right now. And they STILL DO. I am kind of sick of this attitude of games companies that they are artiste auteurs and we lowly people who use their products should lick up every bit of filth they let drop.
A game is defined by its players. I think, personally, that it's fucking incredible that two teams of professional sportsmen can agree to a futher limitation on gameplay, stick to it and stand by the results ungrudgingly at the end of that game. This should be celebrated, not shit on. This is one of the best, brightest parts of gamer culture, our ability at our best to be the BEST sports in the world, to counteract our ability to be the worst the rest of the time. They made a statement, we are a community, we are friends, this is OUR game.
And we told them, in order, that they aren't, they aren't, and it's not. How many of them do you think are going to keep playing a game that they cannot, in some way, have a little ownership of.
Yeah I completly agree, people don't understand esport is losing its soul - the players, their life, their investment - every time someone is bullshitting us with "respect" and "esport". The only people who actually sacrifice things for the games are the players, for the rest the game is just business or entertainment.
On August 27 2012 22:16 Sermokala wrote: The ARAM wasn't even the issue. Why are you acting like it was the reason they lost their standings in the event. They agreed to split the money and do match fixing. Thats a crime in the esports would that deserves a lifetime ban.
We are acting like that because Curse denied it and there seems to be no proof of it.
Why are you acting like money splitting and match fixing was proven?
On August 27 2012 22:16 Sermokala wrote: The ARAM wasn't even the issue. Why are you acting like it was the reason they lost their standings in the event. They agreed to split the money and do match fixing. Thats a crime in the esports would that deserves a lifetime ban.
We are acting like that because Curse denied it and there seems to be no proof of it.
Why are you acting like money splitting and match fixing was proven?
Are you seriously trusting a team to openly admit that they matchfixed the finals of a massive event that's already had a ton of drama? MLG and riot have said thats what happened and I would trust them to be honest about it more then crs.
On August 27 2012 22:16 Sermokala wrote: The ARAM wasn't even the issue. Why are you acting like it was the reason they lost their standings in the event. They agreed to split the money and do match fixing. Thats a crime in the esports would that deserves a lifetime ban. The fact probably is that Riot told them not to ban them for life which is what mlg has done in the past for people who match fixed.
they were probably gona just quietly ban arams in the future. thats what the tweets from riot said at least.
Tbh I think that crs is just in pr mode. saying that it was because of aram is better then them admitting that they match fixed.
Nothing is confirmed other than a decision prior to ARAM, and we don't even know the details of the agreed ARAM. Speculating won't get us anywhere right now.
On August 27 2012 22:16 Sermokala wrote: The ARAM wasn't even the issue. Why are you acting like it was the reason they lost their standings in the event. They agreed to split the money and do match fixing. Thats a crime in the esports would that deserves a lifetime ban.
We are acting like that because Curse denied it and there seems to be no proof of it.
Why are you acting like money splitting and match fixing was proven?
Are you seriously trusting a team to openly admit that they matchfixed the finals of a massive event that's already had a ton of drama? MLG and riot have said thats what happened and I would trust them to be honest about it more then crs.
It's not about trusting anyone, it's about having hard proof. Since nothing is proved, the match fixing is just a theory at best.
On August 27 2012 22:16 Sermokala wrote: The ARAM wasn't even the issue. Why are you acting like it was the reason they lost their standings in the event. They agreed to split the money and do match fixing. Thats a crime in the esports would that deserves a lifetime ban. The fact probably is that Riot told them not to ban them for life which is what mlg has done in the past for people who match fixed.
they were probably gona just quietly ban arams in the future. thats what the tweets from riot said at least.
Tbh I think that crs is just in pr mode. saying that it was because of aram is better then them admitting that they match fixed.
Nothing is confirmed other than a decision prior to ARAM, and we don't even know the details of the agreed ARAM. Speculating won't get us anywhere right now.
Thats a horrible way to look at. If speculating would get us no where then no one would comment on anything. If no one is going to going to share the whole story.
Travis made a pretty good video about everything. It collects all the events that we have now with some good commentary about the whole thing.
People don't throw around the word Match fixing if they don't have their ducks in a row on it. If they didn't crs could sue mlg and riot for slander. People lose their careers fast for anything involving match-fixing. Whats sad is that this might be the thing that mlg use's to decide to drop lol from the event all together. With all this crs can keep their image not tarnished and can still accept losing their spot in mlg.
MLG definitely screwed up here mainly because their reasoning for the DQ doesn't actually fit unless they have some serious proof on their hands. Jokes at a restaraunt are not proof of anything. Colluding to play an ARAM is not actually against their rules. Neither team is forfeiting or manipulating brackets or rankings. And that Chen guy as well as RedBeard are idiots for posting anything about matchfixing.
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