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At any point of IEM Kiev, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. (e.g. "Day 2: M5 hype was everything people expected")

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Kiev but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 20.1.2012
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 22 2012 16:07 GMT
#4181
On January 23 2012 01:06 Shiragaku wrote:
Woah. dat Miku cosplay

Want pics?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 22 2012 16:07 GMT
#4182
Haha, Scarra's prize says "Big Dignitas"
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 22 2012 16:07 GMT
#4183
On January 23 2012 01:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
wheee, go Dignitas! Third place not too bad ^_^


To be honest, 3rd is great for Dig.

Lack of practice, new player on roster and still beat SK.

I have faith that Dignitas can return to their former form. Will take time and commitment though.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
January 22 2012 16:07 GMT
#4184
LoL players get paid more than SC2 players?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 22 2012 16:07 GMT
#4185
On January 23 2012 01:05 wintergt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 00:53 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 23 2012 00:52 wintergt wrote:
On January 23 2012 00:49 Kaniol wrote:
Try strategy A in game 1 - lose the game
Try strategy B in game 2 - win the game
Game 3 - strategy A or B? GO WITH A!


TSM - Team of Strategy Masters.

Cassiopeia was banned g3 otherwise regi would have definately picked her again vs Morde.


Except Morde was picked after cass in g2 (huge M5 screw up), and Karthus was picked before Morde in game 3 because M5 would have taken him most likely.

In g2 they gave double blood at lvl 1.. can't say too much after that as M5 couldn't play their normal game anymore at all. And the Karthus pick seemed almost baited, they first flashed Karthus, then last second switched to Sona (Sona is one the MVP champions in this tourney btw, but that aside). According to M5 mid his tier list for AP mid is 1. Morde 2. Ryze 3. Gallio so they were never gonna pick Karthus. Cassio just did too much dmg they found so they preferred to play vs Karthus in last game.


Cass with fast blue cause lee sin jungle is probably the hardest counter to Morde in the game. The early deaths didn't help, but I don't think he could have won that lane regardless. Even a Cass without blue shits on morde pretty hard.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 22 2012 16:07 GMT
#4186
On January 23 2012 01:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:06 Shiragaku wrote:
Woah. dat Miku cosplay

Want pics?

O______________________________O
yes
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
January 22 2012 16:07 GMT
#4187
I wonder if TSM though M5 was faking them out, and were going to go Shyv jungle and skarner top or something?
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 22 2012 16:08 GMT
#4188
On January 23 2012 01:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 00:58 LaNague wrote:
On January 23 2012 00:57 Shikyo wrote:
I completely agree with regi, I've been thinking the exact same thing!

I think in LoL you snowball way too easily, I think there should be much much more champions that are good early and bad late, or bad early and good late!

As is right now, all champions are pretty much equal at all point in the game and it just goes so that early advantage -> win every time. I don't think it's interesting gameplay that games are always decided at like 15min. As soon as a team is like 2k gold ahead I have never seen them lose ...



riot changed it to this conciously, this is apparently what they want.

Incredibly stupid to hope on mistakes for the rest of the game to get back into it. Top teams are too good to let others get back in, and really, everyone is wasting 30 minutes when this shit happens. It's not too big of a problem in solo queue because teams aren't coordinated, but in pro LoL it happens just about every time.

This is the case in any game. If you're behind, you can only count on playing better than your opponent, and when the skill level is quite close, this usually means you hope he does a mistake. It's the same in SC2, if you get countered early and lose probes to a timing push, you pray or... You GG. Which teams never do in LoL.

The only problem is that we go on to Nexus killing way too often, if we let teams GG when they feel like the game is over and don't bash them for that, the spectator experience will be better.
The legend of Darien lives on
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 22 2012 16:08 GMT
#4189
On January 23 2012 01:06 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:05 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
So sad to see TSM lose it like that :/ But after how Irelia got stomped in the first game they should have known not to pick her. Maybe Teemo wasn't the best pick, but it was better than Irelia, and his shrooms would've helped them be more aware of the counter jungling, especially on purple side when it's so easy to put down the shroom in the tri-bush :/


They could just shroom their own jungle.

But I still think that Singed top would have done great too. Shyv can't push lane against singed.

This is what I don't like about counterpicking against m5's shyv pick. First of all, shyv is stronger than some of these counterpicks people are thinking of outside the lane. Sure, it stops him from wrecking havoc in your jungle, but are any of these heroes gonna snowball all over shyv? Not really, and shyv will most likely be more useful to m5 for the rest of the game. JUST BAN HER INSTEAD
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 22 2012 16:08 GMT
#4190
TRM almost crying on stage.
currently rooting for myself.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
January 22 2012 16:08 GMT
#4191
On January 23 2012 01:07 TAMinator wrote:
LoL players get paid more than SC2 players?

prizes are split between team members

also when are NA teams gonna stop solo queuing and practice as teams seriously
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 22 2012 16:09 GMT
#4192
Chaox standing next to TRM, probably thinking "can i stab him with this silver trophy or too many witnesses?"
baneling
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada56 Posts
January 22 2012 16:09 GMT
#4193
On January 23 2012 01:08 Shiv. wrote:
TRM almost crying on stage.


TRM annoys me beyond belief, but I almost feel sorry for him and the amount of criticism he's going to get.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 22 2012 16:09 GMT
#4194
On January 23 2012 01:08 Shiv. wrote:
TRM almost crying on stage.


For realz?

Guess we know who's taking the blame...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 16:09:59
January 22 2012 16:09 GMT
#4195
On January 23 2012 01:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:06 Shiragaku wrote:
Woah. dat Miku cosplay

Want pics?

O______________________________O
yes

http://imgur.com/a/FeQY2/

[image loading]
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 22 2012 16:09 GMT
#4196
Awwww...that hoddie looks too small.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 22 2012 16:10 GMT
#4197
On January 23 2012 01:09 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:07 Shiragaku wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:06 Shiragaku wrote:
Woah. dat Miku cosplay

Want pics?

O______________________________O
yes

http://imgur.com/a/FeQY2/

[image loading]

Oh...that's a Sona
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 22 2012 16:11 GMT
#4198
On January 23 2012 01:08 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On January 23 2012 00:58 LaNague wrote:
On January 23 2012 00:57 Shikyo wrote:
I completely agree with regi, I've been thinking the exact same thing!

I think in LoL you snowball way too easily, I think there should be much much more champions that are good early and bad late, or bad early and good late!

As is right now, all champions are pretty much equal at all point in the game and it just goes so that early advantage -> win every time. I don't think it's interesting gameplay that games are always decided at like 15min. As soon as a team is like 2k gold ahead I have never seen them lose ...



riot changed it to this conciously, this is apparently what they want.

Incredibly stupid to hope on mistakes for the rest of the game to get back into it. Top teams are too good to let others get back in, and really, everyone is wasting 30 minutes when this shit happens. It's not too big of a problem in solo queue because teams aren't coordinated, but in pro LoL it happens just about every time.

This is the case in any game. If you're behind, you can only count on playing better than your opponent, and when the skill level is quite close, this usually means you hope he does a mistake. It's the same in SC2, if you get countered early and lose probes to a timing push, you pray or... You GG. Which teams never do in LoL.

The only problem is that we go on to Nexus killing way too often, if we let teams GG when they feel like the game is over and don't bash them for that, the spectator experience will be better.

No, I don't think this is true at all. First of all, if you play passively in sc2 you can definitely let your opponent get back into the game, and the lead is closer to static than snowbally, and the thing I'm talking about are SMALL advantages that you see in LoL. Like 1k team gold lead can turn the whole game into one's favor.

Have you ever watched Dota? Some teams just plain know they're gonna be behind in the early game, and they aim for specific timings in the mid and late game. Some teams don't have any carries, others base their team around 1 carry like spectre or AM. Dota has no where near the snowball effect that LoL has.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 22 2012 16:12 GMT
#4199
did carmac say

over 230k viewers?

HOLY FUCK
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 22 2012 16:13 GMT
#4200
carmac is my hero
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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