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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 05 2011 00:51 Mogwai wrote:
best thing about CLG is that they ran a solo ez and a solo sivir in 2 of their games. maybe, just maybe, people in solo queue will start to deal with deviations in the meta.
CLG has been scrimming quite a bit with Sivir mid. They completely rolled over Dignitas with her once. HSGG called it "this ridiculous beat down strategy." So they knew what they were doing with her.
Also, kudos to those who were LR-ing. Really helped as I was following through the CLG-SK games. Really looking forward to the re-stream. They sound like awesome matches!
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On October 05 2011 00:51 Mogwai wrote:
best thing about CLG is that they ran a solo ez and a solo sivir in 2 of their games. maybe, just maybe, people in solo queue will start to deal with deviations in the meta.
You know, I can honestly say this would be great.
Nothing sucks more than being pigeonholed into a lane/role just because you pick a specific champ, espcially when your champ is prefectly capable of performing multiple roles in multiple lanes (even though they may not be ideal).
It would be nice seeing solo queue teams have to choose their lanes based on what their opponents have as well as their own champions; looking to counter lanes and throw people off their game.
Edit: Yeah, MB reminded me. Thanks so much to all those LR-ers....so much better than the SC2 LR threads.
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Chauster has had this love affair with Sivir for some time now.
On October 05 2011 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:51 Mogwai wrote:
best thing about CLG is that they ran a solo ez and a solo sivir in 2 of their games. maybe, just maybe, people in solo queue will start to deal with deviations in the meta. Nothing sucks more than being pigeonholed into a lane/role just because you pick a specific champ, espcially when your champ is prefectly capable of performing multiple roles in multiple lanes (even though they may not be ideal).
It generally has very little to do with the champ itself and much more to do with the rest of the team. Ranged AD work better than AP and bruisers in most bot lane scenarios. You can run double ranged AD, but then you probably have 3 AD champs (junglers are almost all AD), which is really easy to itemize against. You essentially counter one lane by weakening another.
CLG basically cut Hotshot's farm in half to counter AP janna with sivir mid (he was 51 cs when kog was ~80s).
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United States37500 Posts
Just read the last 20-30 pages.
CLG hwaiting~
And thanks for all the plugs Zenon and Joe Joe Miller Miller. Hopefully not too many trolls register, hurr hurr.
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On October 05 2011 01:20 Craton wrote:Chauster has had this love affair with Sivir for some time now. Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 05 2011 00:51 Mogwai wrote:
best thing about CLG is that they ran a solo ez and a solo sivir in 2 of their games. maybe, just maybe, people in solo queue will start to deal with deviations in the meta. Nothing sucks more than being pigeonholed into a lane/role just because you pick a specific champ, espcially when your champ is prefectly capable of performing multiple roles in multiple lanes (even though they may not be ideal). It generally has very little to do with the champ itself and much more to do with the rest of the team. Ranged AD work better than AP and bruisers in most bot lane scenarios. You can run double ranged AD, but then you probably have 3 AD champs (junglers are almost all AD), which is really easy to itemize against. CLG basically cut Hotshot's farm in half to counter AP janna with sivir mid (he was 51 cs when kog was ~80s).
Understandable, however if countering a champ (such as Sivir v. AP Janna) works better than farming all day for the future of the match, then that should be an option, rather than the rigidity people seem to be exhibiting today in solo queue.
After watching a CLG Cass/Taric bot lane my friend and I tried a support Sion/Cass bot lane.....THAT one was fun, and we crushed our lane despite a few protests from teammates.
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I regret watching this at all yesterday, probably not going to watch any more livecasts where Sc2/LoL is being played in the same venue very very sad to have the finals of the Sc2 match spoiled by proffessional casters =[.
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Sorry to interrupt your conversation, but I'd like to know if there were any delays for the semifinals?
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On October 05 2011 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:20 Craton wrote:Chauster has had this love affair with Sivir for some time now. On October 05 2011 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 05 2011 00:51 Mogwai wrote:
best thing about CLG is that they ran a solo ez and a solo sivir in 2 of their games. maybe, just maybe, people in solo queue will start to deal with deviations in the meta. Nothing sucks more than being pigeonholed into a lane/role just because you pick a specific champ, espcially when your champ is prefectly capable of performing multiple roles in multiple lanes (even though they may not be ideal). It generally has very little to do with the champ itself and much more to do with the rest of the team. Ranged AD work better than AP and bruisers in most bot lane scenarios. You can run double ranged AD, but then you probably have 3 AD champs (junglers are almost all AD), which is really easy to itemize against. CLG basically cut Hotshot's farm in half to counter AP janna with sivir mid (he was 51 cs when kog was ~80s). Understandable, however if countering a champ (such as Sivir v. AP Janna) works better than farming all day for the future of the match, then that should be an option, rather than the rigidity people seem to be exhibiting today in solo queue.
Because if you're following the standard meta, it proves you at least have some level of competency. You have no reason to believe everyone on your team isn't retarded until they prove otherwise. The process of experimentation means failures are inevitable, whereas people are in it to win, not to lose because you want to try something different. Maybe it's a little stifling, but I prefer this over having to argue with random idiot 1 2 and 3 over who should be going to which lane.
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On October 04 2011 23:27 SK aBhorsen wrote:
I disagree with several of the posts i see which appear to be uninformed, Redox does appear to speak sense however.
As for versatility, Wickd has been guilty of being strong with a limited amount before (which is why his Irelia is so strong.)
Ocelote can play a wide variety of AP carries, he wasn't pushed onto Janna, he chose to play her (and his has plenty of times before).
Snoopeh can jungle with anyone, to say he isn't versatile is incorrect, hell he went Jungle Blitz even! The choice for Amumu was to no doubt counter the AOE of CLG and to help Kog rape face. Kog dies if he get touched, Sona and Amumu enable Kog to destroy. (when it goes to plan).
Candy/Nyph, although not perfect they are very very good.
Wickd is guilty of being strong with a limited amount of champions, but the problem is his irelia might be strong but for example hotshot plays the same little amount of champions but his are stronger in 90% of cases. The fact that they never rly counter ban Wickds Irelia anymore proves in this theory,
Ocelote plays a wide variety of AP carries, but due to his ego, he wants to show to the world that hes excelent at like AP janna and Akali that he can own them with champions like mad, instead of going for safe picks in this kind of situations and not champions which are "high risk, high reward".
Dont wanna comment on Snoopeh since his jungle got stolen counless time, so he couldnt rly prove himself last 2 games.
Nyph awsome. Not paying much attention to CP
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United States37500 Posts
Snoopeh might be an improvement on SK's jungler position but NA junglers are still the most versatile. :x Getting counter jungled by Saint is textbook.
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Junglers these days are often your initiators, so you need to be a strong voice on the team and be decisive. Snoopeh isn't really a bad jungler, but he's stuck behind the massive ego's of wickd and oce, while SV has no qualms about being assertive and pulling the trigger, for better or worse.
Oce definitely had horrible picks. Wickd is way too reliant on Irelia and needs to branch out more. All of his other champs he only plays at an "ok" level (udyr, ls, talon, etc). He's basically Hotshot from several months ago. I might also note that he did very little of note with Irelia in any of the games, win or lose.
SK will probably never be a truly top team with this roster because of their own hubris.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
Snoopeh did well on Amumu in game 1 so CLG definitely learned their lesson. They went on to aggressively counter jungle Amumu to decrease his effectiveness and impact on the game.
Wickd also played pretty well in game 1 against HSGG, although it was mainly the effort of his team and poor arrows by Chauster. Wickd got to stay top and push down a tower while the rest of SK held CLG off bot tp ganks. Then he went straight to dragon and tp back top to defend tower.
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Poll: CLG or WE?CLG (17) 53% WE (15) 47% 32 total votes Your vote: CLG or WE? (Vote): CLG
(Vote): WE
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These are some... interesting... nominations.
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On October 04 2011 22:45 chocolatebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 22:35 Beyonder wrote:
Isnt oce so limited with his hero preferences though. He also kind of seems to lack overview of what is going on (slow player) hm. oce is arguably the best ap carry in eu or even the world, so he actually does know what he's doing  when he's doing well. he's scary to watch.
oce is not bad or anything, but Shushei is almost indisputably best AP carry in the world. When you watch Shushei play, it's like he's on a totally different level from everybody else in the game, and it seems like he barely has to concentrate at all. I would really love to see Wickd and Shushei on the same team one day.
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On October 05 2011 02:08 Craton wrote:
These are some... interesting... nominations.
Who should have been nominated in your opinion then?
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I need a proper roster of the Chinese teams w/ the champs they played in each game to really detail it, 'cause I only know them by the role they played for the team. The decisions to have useless names in the game (2 letters) is the main culprit. Between this and the fact that almost all voters will be from EU/US, the Asian players have virtually no chance. SV will probably win.
The jungler for Ig played very strongly, SV played very well, Chauster played decent, but nothing spectacular, CandyPanda only had one notable game that I remember (kog is overpowered come lategame, so its rather misleading to just look at him doing a lot of damage / getting kills at end of game).
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On October 05 2011 02:45 Craton wrote:
I need a proper roster of the Chinese teams w/ the champs they played in each game to really detail it, 'cause I only know them by the role they played for the team. The decisions to have useless names in the game (2 letters) is the main culprit. Between this and the fact that almost all voters will be from EU/US, the Asian players have virtually no chance. SV will probably win.
The jungler for Ig played very strongly, SV played very well, Chauster played decent, but nothing spectacular, CandyPanda only had one notable game that I remember (kog is overpowered come lategame, so its rather misleading to just look at him doing a lot of damage / getting kills at end of game).
you have to realize that the 2 letter names are actually their full names, many chinese players dont use many letters, in fact some of the most famous ones dont exceed 3 letters, 820, zou, kss, etc
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