[Champion] Tristana - Page 4

On April 13 2012 05:20 Shanba wrote:
Maxing W clearly does more damage in a burst exchange, which is what tristana excels at - jump in, sit on someone, jump away. If you catch one of the squishier supports (soraka, say) out of position in lane with a tristana/sona level 6 double combo there's no way the soraka survives that (particularly with the heal debuff). Since you've then blown your load, your only spell up is gonna be your w again, which can be nice if you want to follow up and go for the double kill.

I'm not sure about the notion that jumping on someone early game is going to get you killed is coming from - clearly if you jump on a full health alistar standing next to a graves in a full creep wave or something stupid you're asking for trouble, but this is bot lane, it's not full of 100-0 burst casters like annie or scary monster bruisers who love you being in melee range. Tristana excels at going all in and forcing the other guy back. Also, the range on e is pretty short and has a clunky animation, making it awkward to use as harass, and you'll get poked back hard by the likes of ez or sona or cait if you try to walk up to them and e, while getting in range to e a cow or a taric puts you in range in turn of their stun combo.

For farming under tower level 1 e sets up ranged minions after a tower hit whereas level 2 e and higher makes them impossible to get, which can be annoying since you cant turn the passive component off. In general, in bot lane, the passive component of e is a complete dud since you're not going to get too many hits on the enemy ranged champions down there with it and you're basically just going to push the lane - which can be nice, but it doesn't give you control over the push because you can't turn it off, so by taking a higher level of it you're guaranteeing you will push.

E is kinda a one hit wonder skill - huge level 1 base damage but mediocre scaling as you put more points in it (is 30 damage points per skill point the lowest such ratio in the game? I think some aoe spells scale worse, like ashe volley, but its pretty down there especially for a single target spell.) W max also gives you more escape options, for example if you've used it to clear a wave recently - 8 seconds is a significant amount of reduced cd on an escape spell (though that might just be me using it as a crutch - better players with more map awareness or whatever are probably better at keeping it up when they need it). Maybe in the days of trist mid you could justify it, but I dont think it has a place bot lane.

On April 13 2012 05:20 Shanba wrote:
the range on e is pretty short and has a clunky animation, making it awkward to use as harass, and you'll get poked back hard by the likes of ez or sona or cait if you try to walk up to them and e

On April 13 2012 08:21 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:


This thread is falling into the trap of 'There is only one way to play a champ'. I actually prefer maxing Q->E->W, and can do so fairly effectively. Of course, my item build, runes, and masteries are all different from your builds as well in order to optimize this, and I also prefer to play with different supports in my lane (lulu shield OP). I assure you, though, it is not ineffective. Please dont tell everyone how to play a champ the 'proper' way.

The quoted post is a shining example of how to explain your motivations behind a build, without unexplained accusations of other builds being bad. Quality post.

I also agree with the maxing E forces pushing, which may or may not be good depending on your style and motivations. Furthermore, I find the effectiveness of maxing W is marginal compared to maxing Q first. I may not get as much utility out of being able to jump around to avoid ganks, but since I tend not to bother getting E until level 4 anyway in order to avoid pushing (I keep the 3rd stat point saved incase im getting ganked or need an additional nuke). I max Q early as a way to get 1-2 extra shots in while my support initiates a scuffle while not having to fully engage via jumping on them.

Mid game, I prefer maxing E over W because i like to keep pressure on bottom lane to make sure they are pushed at their tower and have to stay down there to keep creeps off of it. Additional benefits is that it gives a bit better dragon control (quicker for me to get there than them) and the nuke is raged and does not make me commit. You can see where this build is going... I hate commitment...

On April 13 2012 04:39 Hero.SP wrote:
Lol, people are mad for what I said. I actually have read the whole thread, and I can explain why maxing w is suicide.

Arguing that w is better cause reduce cooldowns, mana costs and dmg is overall wrong. You don'u use w in early game cause if you do, means you are escaping or chasing. If you are escaping, means you were attacked, you were on a bad position and your oponent saw that. You don't spam your w, maybe your e and never your q (cause you are bot lane to farm right?). If you can harrass you do it with e. If they harrass you you counter harrass with e. If they don't harrass and you dont need it, fine, you will pushing your lane harder than your oponent, true, that means just 2 things:

1- they will lose exp/gold for farming under tower, not all carries can farm under tower properly.

2 - While you have 2 (and possibly 3) escape methods. Plus if you try to zone, you should be able to buy wards and react properly to aggression. Nobody is saying you should be under their tower. Correct pushing knows how to push a lane so your push is destroyed before the next minion wave comes.

The point of my previous post was cause some1 pointed out that Tristana was a weak lategame carry, and people tended to agree with him (indirectly). Tristana is with Kog Maw, Sivir and Vayne, the strongest lategame champions (AD ranged carries).

Maxing w is pointless, you don't need cooldown, mana cost, or damage advantages. Youa ren't going to be chased that much (your lane), you SHOULDN'T be having mana issues (focus on farm) and really, really, you never should be using w for damage.

But Im okay with the warning. I didn't say anything offensive to anyone, while I was clearly trageted. Good move, sir.

On April 13 2012 18:57 Goshawk. wrote:
You'd be far better picking another champ if you want to max q first on trist, the whole point of picking her is for her early game burst. Just makes no sense to ignore it when you could pick a better AD champ for right clicking.

On June 29 2012 16:19 schmutttt wrote:
I don't play a whole lot of AD but have a lot of games with Trist, and I always max W > Q > E . I usually take E at 2 then don't level it after that, the last hitting becomes annoying with more than one point and you need to get points into Q ASAP.

I can see why people would max Q first, but maxing W last makes no sense IMO. You have a great early game (Level 6 kills with sona/ali/taric/blitz np) so you want the early points in W, and going into midgame you need to get more points into Q.

E is nice for harass but as has already been said it has an awful animation and takes too long to cast IMO.

On June 29 2012 01:26 mordek wrote:
I'm interested in trying the "reverse kennen" build mentioned in GD. 2 drings then AD carry items. Anyone have any experience with this?

On June 30 2012 06:36 101toss wrote:

Q early is terrible since your base AS early on is terrible as well. Max q last (you could take a point at 4, but usually i hold off til 8)

The way I use her E is to autoattack my lane opponent once, then fire the E right after the auto. I usually max W since the cdr and nuking potential is great, but there's other situations where E would be optimal.