EPTi prefer going double dorans to IE to botrk than PD
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
i prefer going double dorans to IE to botrk than PD | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
But now since shiv is being used more and more, I tried it out....and Im not sure how to feel about it. On one hand, if you get it early enough your harrass becomes fucking ridiculous. The usual is to auto attack once and immediately E the opponent and back away, de-aggroing the minions and preventing retaliation while the E damage ticks away. Doing this everytime E comes back up and planning an all in with your support after someone drops below 40% is always fun. But with shiv its ridiculous. Its maximizing her early game caster style laning while sacrificing her wildwest straight up fighting power when she rushes IE first. It hurts that department, but she was never really strong right after getting IE either (lack of AD scaling abilities). Sure, shes can work like an assassin but its technically better with shiv that early on. But on the other hand, shiv isnt that great of a choice on a hyper carry so to speak... My personal favorite is to double dorans, rush IE immediately, zerk greaves, and if opponent isnt tanky, Im rushing yomumus asap. She becomes absolutely violent with the extra damage and armor pen, and 40% crit is more than enough. The CDR is an added bonus that lets her Q come back up faster, although not by that much, its still useful during mid game with all the small skirmishes. If opponents are tanky, Id much prefer to go PD since its much more "hard carry" than any other item. Shiv just feels like a soft option compared either of them. I dont go botrk unless its the third item after PD and I dont really need LW yet, or semi-final item after IE-GB-PD-LW (I sell GB after completing Botrk since the small damage and armor pen are hurting my other departments at that stage of the game) Life steal from two dorans is enough, otherwise Ill either complete a cutlass early on or leave it at the scepter. | ||
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
You lack so much damage compared to IE rush that if they want to fight you basically can't do shit. Rushing IE is way better imo if your kitting is good enough. If an early fight happens, you stay behind, press Q and just right click people to death. If you have Shyv, they'll ignore you because you're useless. It might be good against passive lanes, other than that you'll just get destroyed. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
http://leaguecraft.com/builder/tristana/?items=60,83&level=13&fspells=true http://leaguecraft.com/builder/tristana/?items=261,83,48&level=13&fspells=true A bit of an aside: Trist just got nerfed (ish). Her W now no longer scales by as much until rank 4 and her E has lower damage at all levels and scales better. It feels like they tuned her like a guitar. Tuned her up then back down. :/ (edit: reverse guitar) | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On August 04 2014 06:37 obesechicken13 wrote: IE has more dps than BF shiv. For a role built around dps, and a champ that gets ASPD on Q, IE rush is fine. http://leaguecraft.com/builder/tristana/?items=60,83&level=13&fspells=true http://leaguecraft.com/builder/tristana/?items=261,83,48&level=13&fspells=true A bit of an aside: Trist just got nerfed (ish). Her W now no longer scales by as much until rank 4 and her E has lower damage at all levels and scales better. It feels like they tuned her like a guitar. Tuned her up then back down. :/ Not that it really affects AD trist anyways. the damage early on wasnt THAT great if you didnt auto attack once or twice, and half the harrass during early laning phase comes from supports. You didnt use the W as a damage dealer either, tho I must admit the slow duration nerf is sad. Either way. What the fuck Is riot thinking. Im not exactly sure what their thought process was during the nerf. AD trist is strong. Lets nerf the AP part of her? I dont get it.I highly doubt any of the changes actually do anything to tune down AD tristana. We're probably going to see a stat nerf next patch or something. Or a range nerf. Dry laugh. Regarding the Shiv vs IE argument. You guys are missing the point. I stated that shiv rushes are only starting for players of top calibur on my server, meaning D1 and above. I thought about it and the main benefit for Shiv is giving her an aoe wave clear/harrass tool. Since trist is already horrendous at freezing lanes, she can either shove the lane and farm golems/wight, or she gets a stronger poke option with the shiv passive+E combo that actually does a LOT of damage to squishy ADs early on for no cost. Either option is apparent, since with the popularity of Trist rising and her late game power apparent, players are learning to shut her down early on by directing more aggression into bot lane and picking stronger duelist IE rush is really only useful when you are already ahead, since if you are behind and you get IE, you farm slower and your mid game is still completely shit, since an IE isnt going to magically make you catch up to a one-and-a-half or two item ADC on the opponent team, and your contribution to teamfights wont be too good without pokes/bursts, forcing you to continue farming minions. But when you are ahead and get an IE fast, everyone else (mid jungler) probably just finished their first item too, and since you have to biggest gun at that moment and bot lane tower should already be taken, you can already start roaming and force skirmishes with their mid and jungler, giving you an even better chance at snowballing I still dislike shiv on trist tho | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
It's also significantly cheaper and does more damage in team skirmishes where the proc can do 400 magic damage to a group, which changes Trist's power spike. With Shiv first she's a lot stronger during the midgame because she has a completed item and isn't sitting on raw auto-attack damage waiting for her Q and other items to come online, and midgame has typically been her stereotypical power drop when compared to her early and lategame. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
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