EPT[Champion] Cho'Gath - Page 15
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On October 11 2012 05:26 Tula wrote: To some extent I disagree :p Personally I feel building the first 3 stacks ASAP is more important than one more kill or not. Sometimes I save up (depending on my opponent) but usually I use the first 3-4 on creeps. Only if my lane opponent has a history of being willing to trade harass down to 25% health or so, will I save it for a fight. If they recall home as soon as they hit 50% and make sure to always stay close to their tower, I don't bother (far more common personally). I agree that it is important for teamfights from the midgame on, but if you are in a solo lane you should be level 8-10 with at least 3 stacks done before the towers disappear (at least your own should be fairly safe, and Chos tower killing speed is bad to say the least  )If there is one thing I dislike about this char, it's that he is a meele character with a bad autoattack, meaning killing towers or inhibitors later on is a chore. I actually find the opposite, I think Cho takes down towers pretty fast if you're good at timing the waves to double up. But yeah, I agree with your feast strategy. If I have the mana and they have the health to get a feast kill or if my jungler is coming and I'm top lane I'll save feast, otherwise I just feast all the things until I'm 6 stacked or there's a crucial point coming up. If I'm mid lane I'll grab blues with it and generally mids are a lot squishier so two combos and a few auto attacks are all it takes to get them into WQ flash feast range. Stacking feast and not dying are so big to snowballing your midgame as Chogath. If you're not the biggest thing in game at level 9-16 you're going to have a really tough game. Oh and vs rengar open cloth + 5 and play passive until you farm boots 2. He deals magic with his W so you're going to want tabi (or merc, depending on comp) -> nmm + chainmail as a part of your opening. I'd probably end up maxing e against him and getting aegis + wits in some order after chainmail, depending on how he builds. Max w might be stronger. I haven't played the matchup enough but I've wrecked it pretty much every time I've played it. | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Don't remember what new spirit visage is like, might be worthwile but probably not. But yeah that's kinda it. | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
i tend to keep in the fear of a teamfight and then i realize that it's only 60 sec CD :/ | ||
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LazyFailKid
Canada750 Posts
On December 04 2012 03:31 GregMandel wrote: Hey, just a noobish question : I just played a game where i found myself lacking any ult stacks i'd say 75% of the game and never got to 6 stack, so as a beginner World-destroying-alien-tyrannosaurus-rex i'm asking you guys : Is it better to use the ult on minions when it's up at anytime ? i tend to keep in the fear of a teamfight and then i realize that it's only 60 sec CD :/ I think that the general idea is spam your ult until you know you need it or your at 5-6 stacks As a side note: what about chalice on cho in mid? If your facing AP it gives some nice resists and not many people can deal with screams in the face 24/7 | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:57 OnceKing wrote: So with the removal of FoN coming in, what are your opinions on a new big-ticket MR item? SV I guess on a lot of champs is going to be a lot bigger I guess. Nothing has more mr then it and it would synergze well with anyone who has sustain heal or life/vamp steal. cho is going to be able to clear wraiths and get a ton of health from it. Also warmogs wits and thornmail. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On December 04 2012 04:09 LazyFailKid wrote: I think that the general idea is spam your ult until you know you need it or your at 5-6 stacks As a side note: what about chalice on cho in mid? If your facing AP it gives some nice resists and not many people can deal with screams in the face 24/7 I think that chalice into athene's on cho is really strong. I usually build it first item when playing cho mid nowadays and skip doran's entirely. ap, cdr, mreg and mres. it's really everything a mid cho wants. | ||
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LazyFailKid
Canada750 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:45 Keniji wrote: I think that chalice into athene's on cho is really strong. I usually build it first item when playing cho mid nowadays and skip doran's entirely. ap, cdr, mreg and mres. it's really everything a mid cho wants. All you REALLY need to be able to scream 24/7 is chalice (assuming vs ap ofc, you wouldn't take chalice vs AD) so i like to branch off right there depending on the game. Generally Chalice>glacial is pretty good if i want to influence other lanes since it helps tower dive with the armor and gives you more CDR and mana to spam more spells. Rylais/Athenes/FH after that depending on what i need. It also lets you give blue to your jungler (although you taking it lets you literally spam all your spells when they come off CD) | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 04 2012 08:48 LazyFailKid wrote: All you REALLY need to be able to scream 24/7 is chalice (assuming vs ap ofc, you wouldn't take chalice vs AD) so i like to branch off right there depending on the game. Generally Chalice>glacial is pretty good if i want to influence other lanes since it helps tower dive with the armor and gives you more CDR and mana to spam more spells. Rylais/Athenes/FH after that depending on what i need. It also lets you give blue to your jungler (although you taking it lets you literally spam all your spells when they come off CD) Depends what lane you're in, if you're top and don't need the MR I would say skip chalice entirely because glacial deals with mana issues pretty well, if you're mid Athene's rush is fine but I feel slightly squishy and not as influential as if I merc -> Rylais. Some matchups it's pretty good and allows you to take hp per level seals (vs syndra in particular this is important because she just totally blows you up if she's good). | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 26 2012 03:09 Scip wrote: Aegis is still in the game, so that's one. Wit's End if you have several tanky people on your team is another one. Negatron Cloak is really good too, items that build out of it should be alright for full item build too. Don't remember what new spirit visage is like, might be worthwile but probably not. But yeah that's kinda it. Aegis upgrades into a better "all the defenses" item. Also, the Spirit Visage change is basically "this is a bigger item and it builds out of a Negatron" - it also costs more (2200 total, part of this is because it builds out of negatron) and is up to +20% Healing received - it's even more delicious if you really like the MR and the healing passive now. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On December 04 2012 08:51 Sufficiency wrote: Playing Mordekaiser against Chogath mid is an absolute nightmare. I still stand by my opinion that Cho is the most broken mid-laner ever. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 04 2012 13:06 Dusty wrote: I still stand by my opinion that Cho is the most broken mid-laner ever. Diana seems to do fine against him mid - nothing wrong with just autoing him if he silences you after you jump on him, your shield goes a long way against him, and you have the mobility to avoid getting ruptured. Then again, who DOESN'T Diana handle "just fine" mid, currently? | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On December 04 2012 03:31 GregMandel wrote: Hey, just a noobish question : I just played a game where i found myself lacking any ult stacks i'd say 75% of the game and never got to 6 stack, so as a beginner World-destroying-alien-tyrannosaurus-rex i'm asking you guys : Is it better to use the ult on minions when it's up at anytime ? i tend to keep in the fear of a teamfight and then i realize that it's only 60 sec CD :/ The OP answers this pretty well. Did you read it? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 05 2012 02:53 sylverfyre wrote: Diana seems to do fine against him mid - nothing wrong with just autoing him if he silences you after you jump on him, your shield goes a long way against him, and you have the mobility to avoid getting ruptured. Then again, who DOESN'T Diana handle "just fine" mid, currently? Diana WRECKS Chogath mid and so does Syndra/Xerath/Lee, it's kind of why I'm trying to get him stable in top lane again. Obviously he's an amazing jungle, he was banned or picked in nearly every game at IPL for jungle. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:31 Keniji wrote: Frozen Heart or Iceborn Gauntlet? Iceborn Gauntlet seems like an good item for cho as he benefits from everything, but frozen heart pretty good, too. really not sure, BUT so far i've stuck to Frozen heart. The 45 Ap simply isn't enough to make me change my mind, esp. since Cho has to be tanky to survive with his stacks intact. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
I usually open machete with four health pot and 1 mana pot, and typically back with enough to grab spirit stone, boots, and a flask (~1k). After that I've tried a couple of different things, but I'm not sure I like the tanky spirit stone upgrade - it grants hp, armour, and tenacity, which is great, but it makes me want to grab mercs for MR but nope, tenacity, so I usually grab tabi and something like a negatron or chalice early. Later on, I think it's not too hard to hit a good mix of 40% cdr and tankiness if I pick between rylais or bulwark and not both, but the early phases are throwing me off a bit. Any suggestions? | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On December 15 2012 20:08 TheHumanSensation wrote: So, I've been having success with Cho in the new jungle pretty consistently, but I've never found a build I've been 100% happy with. I usually open machete with four health pot and 1 mana pot, and typically back with enough to grab spirit stone, boots, and a flask (~1k). After that I've tried a couple of different things, but I'm not sure I like the tanky spirit stone upgrade - it grants hp, armour, and tenacity, which is great, but it makes me want to grab mercs for MR but nope, tenacity, so I usually grab tabi and something like a negatron or chalice early. Later on, I think it's not too hard to hit a good mix of 40% cdr and tankiness if I pick between rylais or bulwark and not both, but the early phases are throwing me off a bit. Any suggestions? Nope seems good to me. What masteries do you use? I'm really not sure if wanderer is worth it, but thats not only for jungle cho but for other heros/roles as well | ||
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