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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 30 2012 01:50 GMT
#241
y i frequently see people get dfg/abyssal into hat on cho mid
but I think it's much easier to play cho top and get carried because you're just a god damn unstoppable, unkillable monster (im a bit biased, lost to some really bad chos today and then won a bunch of games with him)
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 30 2012 09:02 GMT
#242
I feel like Cho top has a lot of counterpicks but they're only counterpicks in the sense that if you die to them you can't win lane

Nobody really dunks him off the bat now that ninja tabi is such a viable opening option
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 30 2012 09:18 GMT
#243
after a few levels you sustain like 300 hp per wave which just straight up destroys some champions
i may be wrong on this but cho doesnt really lose any lane except maybe teemo and kayle, and hes super good in teamfights
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 30 2012 11:04 GMT
#244
Jayce, Renekton depending, Irelia depending, Jax, Yorick pretty rough, Rumble pretty rough, maybe a few others like Kennen too but none of them are really that bad except Jayce and Kayle.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 30 2012 11:15 GMT
#245
no1 plays kayle
ban jayce
against irelia i won a lot of games i think it's pretty good for cho if you know what you're doing
gg.
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nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
September 30 2012 12:06 GMT
#246
I've been playing Pendant-->Philo--->Boots/HoG--->Lvl 2 boots---->FH or Abyssal, then maybe Rylai's. Where does Cho get his tankiness other than feast stacks? Force of Nature? I feel like i get bursted too fast... I'm a newbie sub 30 btw
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 14:24:20
September 30 2012 14:22 GMT
#247
Cho gets his tankiness from levels. He has to have a level advantage over his opponents as well as correct runes, masteries, and items to feel like that unkillable monster. A lot of people think Cho's a really strong tank, and while he is, it's conditional and it falls off, and that's why you tend to see a dropoff in Cho's lategame efficiency--it's not that he dropped off, it's that his opponents caught up. When you don't have a level advantage over your opponents, you're actually quite squishy, even if you do have tank items.

Also, it's really important to stack feast out as fast as possible while still having it up for crucial objectives and big teamfights.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 30 2012 15:17 GMT
#248
On September 30 2012 18:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I feel like Cho top has a lot of counterpicks but they're only counterpicks in the sense that if you die to them you can't win lane

Nobody really dunks him off the bat now that ninja tabi is such a viable opening option

So against like heavy early aggressor (Riven, Rengar, Pantheon) its just about opening with like as much armor as possible and then ignoring them until you can just kill creeps and spam /laugh?
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APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 17:29:42
September 30 2012 17:29 GMT
#249
I like DFG on him, but only if you're going pure caster, something like Rylai's+Rabadon's+DFG+Void+Athene's/GA/Zhonya's. Not worth it if you're trying to be tanky.

On September 30 2012 23:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho gets his tankiness from levels. He has to have a level advantage over his opponents as well as correct runes, masteries, and items to feel like that unkillable monster. A lot of people think Cho's a really strong tank, and while he is, it's conditional and it falls off, and that's why you tend to see a dropoff in Cho's lategame efficiency--it's not that he dropped off, it's that his opponents caught up. When you don't have a level advantage over your opponents, you're actually quite squishy, even if you do have tank items.

Also, it's really important to stack feast out as fast as possible while still having it up for crucial objectives and big teamfights.


I think it's important to note here that it's not that Cho gets worse than other tanks, it's that his advantage over other tanks gets smaller as the game goes on. So, if he's jungling, he can start off the game getting BoM, oracles, and gp5 and still be somewhat tanky, but Feast isn't going to carry him for much longer.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
September 30 2012 19:30 GMT
#250
How do you beat cho as kayle?

I find as either jayce or kayle I go even. The trades usually go with me trying to hit him from outside auto range, him using a rupture behind me, me walking straight into it, and taking some autos because rupture hurts and I get slowed, and then him healing back up a bit. With kayle's slow he may not catch up to use autos.

This is just theory but I think with jayce you could pelt cho with autos until he uesd rupture, then you just change form and jump near him. That sounds like a good way to deal with even cho's sustain.

Still cho can turn things around with ganks. He has a slow, knockup, burst, and silence to delay your flash if you still have it.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
September 30 2012 20:56 GMT
#251
On October 01 2012 00:17 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 18:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I feel like Cho top has a lot of counterpicks but they're only counterpicks in the sense that if you die to them you can't win lane

Nobody really dunks him off the bat now that ninja tabi is such a viable opening option

So against like heavy early aggressor (Riven, Rengar, Pantheon) its just about opening with like as much armor as possible and then ignoring them until you can just kill creeps and spam /laugh?

It's that easy. Cloth 5 -> Tabi -> Dolan's Shield if you desperately need it and are low on gold, Chain Vest if you don't -> proceed to shrug off their harass and farm your ass off.
currently rooting for myself.
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
September 30 2012 21:27 GMT
#252
On October 01 2012 05:56 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 00:17 xes wrote:
On September 30 2012 18:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I feel like Cho top has a lot of counterpicks but they're only counterpicks in the sense that if you die to them you can't win lane

Nobody really dunks him off the bat now that ninja tabi is such a viable opening option

So against like heavy early aggressor (Riven, Rengar, Pantheon) its just about opening with like as much armor as possible and then ignoring them until you can just kill creeps and spam /laugh?

It's that easy. Cloth 5 -> Tabi -> Dolan's Shield if you desperately need it and are low on gold, Chain Vest if you don't -> proceed to shrug off their harass and farm your ass off.


The only problem with building like that is you can't get your gp5s, which top chogath really likes =(
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 30 2012 21:40 GMT
#253
Cloth+5 -> Tabi -> Glacial Shroud wins so many matchups nowadays it's not funny
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 30 2012 21:57 GMT
#254
Also my real life friend Wappa Chang Mang (KSG Wappa Chang or WAPPAFET now) is ranked #1 Chogath in the world on elobuff.

I'M SO MAD LOL
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 03:40:27
October 01 2012 03:35 GMT
#255
On October 01 2012 04:30 obesechicken13 wrote:
How do you beat cho as kayle?

I find as either jayce or kayle I go even. The trades usually go with me trying to hit him from outside auto range, him using a rupture behind me, me walking straight into it, and taking some autos because rupture hurts and I get slowed, and then him healing back up a bit. With kayle's slow he may not catch up to use autos.

This is just theory but I think with jayce you could pelt cho with autos until he uesd rupture, then you just change form and jump near him. That sounds like a good way to deal with even cho's sustain.

Still cho can turn things around with ganks. He has a slow, knockup, burst, and silence to delay your flash if you still have it.

So I tried out a bot game against a custom level cho. I can't jump fast enough to dodge ruptures. I don't see how people counter cho as jayce or kayle. Imo at best it's a relatively even lane.

What's worst is that since all jayce's jump has a windup, if you try to jump, and rupture hits, the jump gets canceled.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
October 01 2012 04:59 GMT
#256
On October 01 2012 12:35 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I tried out a bot game against a custom level cho. I can't jump fast enough to dodge ruptures.

Are you trying to react to the cast animation or the spell animation?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 01 2012 05:31 GMT
#257
Also, getting hit with one rupture isn't make or break in this matchup. Kayle outdamages Cho so hard with QE and a bunch of autoattacks at level 2 that it's not even funny, though it's a matchup that's basically gank-dependent anyway. Any matchup that the opponent can both kite and do a ton of damage is pretty rough for Cho.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 03 2012 00:25 GMT
#258
On October 01 2012 13:59 armed_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 12:35 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I tried out a bot game against a custom level cho. I can't jump fast enough to dodge ruptures.

Are you trying to react to the cast animation or the spell animation?

Cast. I'm expecting the rupture.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
October 03 2012 00:39 GMT
#259
On October 03 2012 09:25 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 13:59 armed_ wrote:
On October 01 2012 12:35 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I tried out a bot game against a custom level cho. I can't jump fast enough to dodge ruptures.

Are you trying to react to the cast animation or the spell animation?

Cast. I'm expecting the rupture.

As a Cho player many people who are NOT absolutly predictable in their jukes (meaning always the same way) can dodge ruptures quite successfully. The problem is, I'll still be able to push them away from the creeps they want to last hit if my timing is right.

So far the only player which shut me down completly top lane was rengar, mostly because he did the lvl 1 gank abuse which i had not met at all till that game :p
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
October 03 2012 11:07 GMT
#260
fucking cho is absolutely ridiculous remove this champ from the game thanks

User was temp banned for this post.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
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