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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
September 26 2012 13:43 GMT
#221
I haven't really been playing Cho a lot recently, but in what matchups can/should I build Hybrid Cho (Wits/Rageblade)?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
September 26 2012 15:31 GMT
#222
On September 26 2012 19:37 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 19:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I've tried it out a couple of times, and it's amazing how much mana it gives you. You can literally spam spells without having to worry about mana ever. That being said, I still feel like efficient management of mana and maxing R>W>E>Q with Rylais or Deathcap rush is stronger. My nickname is 100% Rupture though. I feel like the point at which I start to snowball comes significantly delayed when I rush Athene's or even Chalice first. I can see it being very useful in certain matchups like Viktor and Xerath where you need both MR and mp5 to survive harass/burst and farm.

Personally, I'm going to stick with boots 2 -> rylais, but having infinite mana is soooooooooo luxurious.

So basically, unless you are a god at Cho like you are, Chalice into a LATE Athene's might be viable?


I dunno about the late Athene's...

As I said earlier, Athene's recipe is actually extremely cost efficient.
HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
September 27 2012 17:31 GMT
#223
I don't know, I don't really see Cho'Gath as a top lane champion anymore. Champions with strong early burst (Rengar, Riven, etc) will zone him from the creeps early on when he is weak. Champions dependent on farm (Irelia, Olaf, etc) are given carte blanche to farm hard and become lategame monsters.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I really see ChoGath as more of a Jungler now. Of all the CC junglers, he has the undisputed BEST clear and sustain. Innate tankiness with Feast makes him a decent Oracle carrier too. The downside is that his CC isn't as reliable as someone like Maokai, but whatever,
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 27 2012 17:45 GMT
#224
On September 28 2012 02:31 HughMyron wrote:
I don't know, I don't really see Cho'Gath as a top lane champion anymore. Champions with strong early burst (Rengar, Riven, etc) will zone him from the creeps early on when he is weak. Champions dependent on farm (Irelia, Olaf, etc) are given carte blanche to farm hard and become lategame monsters.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I really see ChoGath as more of a Jungler now. Of all the CC junglers, he has the undisputed BEST clear and sustain. Innate tankiness with Feast makes him a decent Oracle carrier too. The downside is that his CC isn't as reliable as someone like Maokai, but whatever,

Personal brag: I've been doing jungle cho since back before they changed the jungle, back before jungling was even a thing, back when the only viable junglers were literally shaco warwick nunu and amumu.

For the record: I called it. And invented it. And reinvented it.

But yeah, I like playing him jungle and mid mainly now, though I'm in the process of rediscovering him in top lane where if he survives the initial few levels/ganks he becomes completely unkillable.
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romanov
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands892 Posts
September 27 2012 22:34 GMT
#225
I love Jungle Cho to, only problem is if you die around level 6/7/8 you sometimes have problems farming up your stack's and fall behind
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 27 2012 22:48 GMT
#226
5Hit, do you still recommend Rylais on Jungle Cho? The itemization is incredibly awkward for me and usually I find myself in midgame fights with just HoG Philo Boots1 and Rylais wishing I had an Aegis + Reverie.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 28 2012 00:24 GMT
#227
Personally I really like Rylais but I feel like you have to be very effective with it to snowball a game because there's a point where it spikes in power and there's a point where it drops off and you have to use the spike to take a bunch of objectives. Sometimes that's hard and sitting around farming jungle as cho makes me feel dumb lol.
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Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
September 28 2012 04:10 GMT
#228
Haven't really played around too much with Rylai's might try it out a bit(Jungle Cho!) 0/21/9 Aspd/Armour/MrLvl/Mspd

Something like

Regrowth/Boots > Philo > Rylais > Treads > Shurelias(delayed if with friend) and then a mixture depending on what I feel is needed of

Sunfire Cape
Force of Nature
Rabaddon's Deathcap
Zhonya's Ring
Frozen Heart
Abyssal Scepter

I tend to always get the philo early and hold onto it for a long time as I duo with my friend who pretty agressively takes wraiths/wolves alot in mid so I try to offset the lack of farm/sustain from not getting to hit things so it'll be interesting to see how Rylai's slots in.

Thoughts?
SKANKTANK
Profile Joined February 2011
6 Posts
September 28 2012 11:34 GMT
#229
playing alot of jungle cho recently, so much fun and seems super strong. been following the guide on lolpro which is basically rush mobility boots + oracles then gp10's + tanky stuff.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 14:45:49
September 28 2012 14:42 GMT
#230
How do You guys play vs Akali top? I have troubles with this matchup (and i am doing fine vs most other top laners) but akali is for me pain in the ass.
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HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
September 28 2012 22:47 GMT
#231
I always had trouble with the Akali matchup too, even tho it is one that Cho'Gath should win...

Just get MR Runes and spam silence I guess.
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LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 05:49:28
September 29 2012 05:44 GMT
#232
Wow, Im playing with a few kids from my school (the program where they bring people over for countries like china to stay in canada for abit; forgot the name) and one guy can only jungle. I lockin cho and go mid thinking "alright i know cho op and my last hitting skills not as shit as before from the 40 hours in last week of dota" and proceed to go 10/0/10 both games with the latter one being only abit harder, seems to me like if you can last hit properly you autowin lane O_O my build was boots3>chalice>rylais(with mercs somewhere here)>FH>whatever i need, usually athene's or some other tanky/ap things(or aegis). Don't see how you would beat him mid, any matchups I should strictly avoid or any weakness cho has? (not counting a little weakness he has in the very early stages pre-6)
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 29 2012 09:27 GMT
#233
Abuse her before level 6
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 29 2012 10:06 GMT
#234
There are two ways to do it:
Max W and scream at her a lot
Max E and shove the wave really hard

Against Akali the importance of defensive runes can't be overstated. You NEED at least MR blues, and armor yellows really help, too. Basically you want to call for a lot of ganks against her before she hits 6 if you're maxing W and if you're maxing E you need to be really aggressive in pushing her to her tower so she can't last hit quite so well. Against good Akali players that won't always work, but it will keep her on the defensive until she gets her revolver, though you're far more vulnerable to gank so basically only do this if you're running armor/mr instead of mp5/mr, and when the ganks come (they will) you HAVE to be on point with your rupture if you want to survive.

At some point she is going to get too bursty to 1v1 easily and your goal is to get 6 feast stacks and max out your defensive items for your team. This is a matchup where you'll probably be getting wits with FH instead of abyssal or FoN, though FoN is still great. Your goal is to wear an oracles and cc her in teamfights, primarily with silence, and to burst her down with feast while she's incapable of darting around. You're not going to put out more damage than her, and she's infinitely more mobile than you are, so make sure your team stays with you, or you're not going to be able to handle her, as she's one of the best-scaling assassins.

Still, her early game is pretty weak and you should dominate her with ganks before she gets revolver/6.
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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
September 29 2012 10:26 GMT
#235
Do you have any tips on playing Cho top lane versus Jayce? I don't know what to do against that harass and damage output.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
September 29 2012 11:09 GMT
#236
On September 29 2012 19:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
There are two ways to do it:
Max W and scream at her a lot
Max E and shove the wave really hard

Against Akali the importance of defensive runes can't be overstated. You NEED at least MR blues, and armor yellows really help, too. Basically you want to call for a lot of ganks against her before she hits 6 if you're maxing W and if you're maxing E you need to be really aggressive in pushing her to her tower so she can't last hit quite so well. Against good Akali players that won't always work, but it will keep her on the defensive until she gets her revolver, though you're far more vulnerable to gank so basically only do this if you're running armor/mr instead of mp5/mr, and when the ganks come (they will) you HAVE to be on point with your rupture if you want to survive.

At some point she is going to get too bursty to 1v1 easily and your goal is to get 6 feast stacks and max out your defensive items for your team. This is a matchup where you'll probably be getting wits with FH instead of abyssal or FoN, though FoN is still great. Your goal is to wear an oracles and cc her in teamfights, primarily with silence, and to burst her down with feast while she's incapable of darting around. You're not going to put out more damage than her, and she's infinitely more mobile than you are, so make sure your team stays with you, or you're not going to be able to handle her, as she's one of the best-scaling assassins.

Still, her early game is pretty weak and you should dominate her with ganks before she gets revolver/6.


Thank You.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 29 2012 12:09 GMT
#237
Also, trying out new stuff for jungle cho:

Mob boots are really good, I've been getting them first or second

0/21/9, gold quints, aspd reds, armor yellows, scaling mr blues

boots 3 -> mob boots -> hog/philo -> aegis -> diverge

Turns out aegis is really, really awesome
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HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
September 29 2012 18:29 GMT
#238
I run

AS Reds
Armor Yellow
MR/Level Blue
Movespeed Quints,

and just run a very textbook build with Mob/Hog/Aegis. Then I build a NegaCloak around the time I finish Randuin. At that point, the build diverges depending on their comp.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 01:44:54
September 30 2012 01:44 GMT
#239
I think to cap out CDR on lane cho, DFG > Athene's. Late game you'll be tanky enough with Abyssal/Frozen that if you land a good rupture, you can flash->DFG->scream->feast their AD/AP carry and then just walk out of the teamfight and let your team mop up.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 30 2012 01:47 GMT
#240
If you're mid you should be wearing blue buffs anyway and if you 9/21/0 I don't think you need both and FH. I prefer to go full caster or rylais cc personally, but I've seen a lot of dfg chos. I can usually full combo without it if I deathcap so I don't really see the point in it.
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