EPTI often go dorans ring * 2 + philo stone during laning phase just to keep up with mana T_T I've never had so many mana issues with another champ.
[Champion] Cho'Gath - Page 10
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I often go dorans ring * 2 + philo stone during laning phase just to keep up with mana T_T I've never had so many mana issues with another champ. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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APurpleCow
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On September 18 2012 17:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: If you're going top lane, try taking your second point in e and don't use rupture except when ganks come. Also, don't harass with scream until level 4 or until your jungler comes for a gank. It's inefficient to blow 70 or 80 mana on a skill at level 1 even if last hitting regains you mana. errr It may be inefficient, but by the time you hit level 4 you'd have full mana anyway. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10378 Posts
On September 18 2012 15:34 Complete wrote: Just started playing cho top. Smashes some people real nice. Had trouble vs GP and Mordekaiser so far, but I think I could solve that by starting boots/pots instead of dorans ring. I just really don't like starting without dorans ring becaues of mana issues :/ I often go dorans ring * 2 + philo stone during laning phase just to keep up with mana T_T I've never had so many mana issues with another champ. why would u ever start off with ring? where is your sustain? always start boots 3 pots on top laners usually. mana really shouldnt be a problem. philostone + 2 mana crystals (RoA + Frozen Heart) keeps you going til late game. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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zer0das
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On September 19 2012 07:36 APurpleCow wrote: errr It may be inefficient, but by the time you hit level 4 you'd have full mana anyway. I'm not saying don't use skills from 1-3, but if you 9/21/0 and don't take mana regen runes you have one or two casts total between 1-4 if you want to have mana at 4. I mean with 2-3 mana regen per 5 base and you gain what, like 6-8 mana per last hit? you gotta farm a whole wave to get a shot at having one cast with Cho's mana costs... [edit] Carnivore (passive): Whenever Cho'Gath kills a unit, he restores 32 + (2 x level) health and 3.25 + (0.25 x level) mana. [/edit] | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 18 2012 15:34 Complete wrote: Just started playing cho top. Smashes some people real nice. Had trouble vs GP and Mordekaiser so far, but I think I could solve that by starting boots/pots instead of dorans ring. I just really don't like starting without dorans ring becaues of mana issues :/ I often go dorans ring * 2 + philo stone during laning phase just to keep up with mana T_T I've never had so many mana issues with another champ. Really don't like the dorans start. If you get anyone seriously bullying you around, you're not gonna keep up in health purely with your passive vs their potions and they can start zoning you off creeps... so you aren't even benefitting from your passive. Also it becomes much harder to support an early gank when you have 50 ms less than they do. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10378 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:35 Complete wrote: His sustain is in his last hitting... yes i understand that, but if u get chunked, how will you last hit if your opponent is smart and harasses you if you try to last hit? like his passive is nice if ur missing like 100 health or something and want to get back to max, but it doesn't help you if you are low. thats why you start boots 3 pots | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TTk6t.png) =S=S Why sunfire when FH and randuin's are so goddamn good? yes i understand that, but if u get chunked, how will you last hit if your opponent is smart and harasses you if you try to last hit? like his passive is nice if ur missing like 100 health or something and want to get back to max, but it doesn't help you if you are low. thats why you start boots 3 pots If your opponent harasses you when you last hit, that's what your passive heals. It's hard to chunk a chogath (without a gank) if he has defensive runes early on. I don't think doran's ring is a good start, but it's definitely doable in a lot of match ups. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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And Sunfire because I just really like Sunfire. | ||
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Trainninja
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I've been playing a lot of cho mid (i'm 1200 elo) in ranked 5s with friends / solo queue and i've been dominating against standard mids. That said, I dont think it's because I'm amazing but a lot of mids dont understand the level 6 burst that cho has. Anyways, a few questions about cho - I'm not really sure what is an optimal build order for cho - atm i'm running boots 3 pots into double doran ring (for mana regen because I go armour runes) into either lucky pick -> dfg or needless rod -> deathcap. Also, although I usually dominate lane phase, what should be my role in team fights? I usually stay kinda back because i'm still pretty squishy (i only build AP items) and try to land ruptures on the bruisers and just drop my ult on anyone other than the tank. As a top lane cho, how do i lane without getting crushed. In general i spam W to harass which works well from levels 1-8ish until the opponent gets a phage and another damage item and i can't out trade him, especially riven. I'm almost certain i'm missing something fundamental in the matchup (i.e. i'm doing something wrong / or not doing something i should be doing). Thoughts? | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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Shiv.
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On September 21 2012 00:15 Trainninja wrote: As a top lane cho, how do i lane without getting crushed. In general i spam W to harass which works well from levels 1-8ish until the opponent gets a phage and another damage item and i can't out trade him, especially riven. I'm almost certain i'm missing something fundamental in the matchup (i.e. i'm doing something wrong / or not doing something i should be doing). Thoughts? Well, it's really hard to give advice without knowing what matchup you're talking about, but since you mentioned Riven, I'm assuming you are having problems with physical damage dealers. The thing about Cho is that unless you are as good and experienced as 5HIT at Cho, you are not exactly going to win lanes by crushing the enemy six ways from sunday. (I might just be a bad Cho, but that's my experience.) What you can do, though, is turn a lot lot lot of lanes into farmfests. A farmed Riven is something to recon come late game, sure, but most teamcomps would rather have a 6 stack 250 armor Cho wrecking havoc by CCing everyone and their moms and NOMNOMNOMing on carries. Essentially, you don't have to trade with her, because there's no need to. So how, and why, does that work? Essentially, it boils down to itemization - Armor is a lot easier to itemize than damage. Talking about Riven, for example, you might wanna start Cloth 5, get early Tabis, a Doran's Shield if you're really desperate and a Chain Vest. You don't really have to get out of the way of your build because you'll eventually build something with that Chain Vest anyways, and Riven is screwed. Even if she has like 2 Doran's and a BF sword, it doesn't matter because you'll just shrug off her harass and sustain with your passive. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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In mid, don't take armor--you're playing as a caster and you'll rarely be tanking enough physical in lane to warrant it over flat mp5 or mp5/lv. 9/21/0 and mp yellows plus your natural sustain should allow you to skip dolans ring (which i just don't like in general on chogath but i've seen strong cho players go dolans dolans dfg/deathcap and do well--i just like rylais because i like winning fights more than getting kills), just open boots + 3 and rush merc treads, which makes both surviving and landing screams sooooooo much easier, then get parts for rylais starting with the giant's belt (or blasting wand if you want, I just like getting the bigger item first, especially while i'm just stacking feast--most people won't play stupid against cho mid and it's really important to have 6 stacks going into midgame so you can blow feast at will). Focus on controlling lane and dragon, farming, and stacking feast in that rough order, but as soon as you get rylais have your team get together and initiate like a madman because scream -> rupture -> ignite/feast -> auto chase is retarded at catching people out of position when everything slows. Take objectives and snowball your advantage while diversifying into defensive items or getting a deathcap. Mid cho sooooooooooo much stronger and more fun than top cho it's not funny. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Actually cho top isn't bad because you can 1v4 at certain points with wits + FH/Randuins 0/21/9 tp/flash ms/mpen/armor/mr boots + 3 pot or cloth + 5 QEWEER R>E>W>Q rush tabi or philo/hog (only if you're going randuins tho) get a glacial or a warden's mail depending on what you need and then wits After you tank the fuck out consider gunblade for kills | ||
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NucNac
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On September 21 2012 00:15 Trainninja wrote: I'm not really sure what is an optimal build order for cho - atm i'm running boots 3 pots into double doran ring (for mana regen because I go armour runes) into either lucky pick -> dfg or needless rod -> deathcap. Also, although I usually dominate lane phase, what should be my role in team fights? I usually stay kinda back because i'm still pretty squishy (i only build AP items) and try to land ruptures on the bruisers and just drop my ult on anyone other than the tank. The last days i've been quite succesful with Cho'Gath mid, too. Usually i start like you, with 2 Dorans, Sorc Boots, but then i build Chalice of Harmony -> Athenes Unholy Grail. After that most of the time Deathcap/Deathfire, depending. I feel like this gives you alot of power in lane, because you can push fast and not be mana starved so quickly. You can start to roam and try to look for opportunities to help your mates or just farm the jungle. It's really easy to outfarm your opponent and push your minions into their tower. In later stages, i don't feel like you need to be too scared in teamfights. When you are level 18 and have 6 Feast stacks, you are actually tanky plus at that time i normally end up having a Frozen Heart in my inventory. Your job is to disrupt the fight, silence as many people as possible and walk straight to the carry to eat him if possible. I've been most succesful if I dive right into the fight, after someone else initiated it. I don't know if my views/build is correct or good, I would appreciate some feedback. | ||
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