EPT[Champion] Riven - Page 14
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koreasilver
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getpicture
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e.g ryze is one of the best champs nowadays for solo queue as well, regardless of bad teammates/enemy compositions you can carry. rune prison is godly, as not moving a for a second of two is devastating. Olaf is pretty devastating now as long as you have teammates which can chase and punish ranged ad carries like cait.vayne, trist. | ||
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koreasilver
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:56 getpicture wrote: i find her pretty weak. she gets shutdown too easily. now that flash has been nerfed, CC had been more ever prevalent and devastating. i.e escape for all champs got nerfed. any character which has shotgun dmg /stun is so powerful. e.g ryze is one of the best champs nowadays for solo queue as well, regardless of bad teammates/enemy compositions you can carry. rune prison is godly, as not moving a for a second of two is devastating. Olaf is pretty devastating now as long as you have teammates which can chase and punish ranged ad carries like cait.vayne, trist. I feel as though there's some devastatingly mistaken "facts" in your devastatingly blunt post about how devastating devastating devastating. Devastating. | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:56 getpicture wrote: i find her pretty weak. she gets shutdown too easily. now that flash has been nerfed, CC had been more ever prevalent and devastating. i.e escape for all champs got nerfed. any character which has shotgun dmg /stun is so powerful. e.g ryze is one of the best champs nowadays for solo queue as well, regardless of bad teammates/enemy compositions you can carry. rune prison is godly, as not moving a for a second of two is devastating. Olaf is pretty devastating now as long as you have teammates which can chase and punish ranged ad carries like cait.vayne, trist. ryze is piss poor until he is farmed, wheras riven is only piss poor at level 1 and 2... | ||
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getpicture
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also GP is far stronger than riven. a fed 10/0 Gp is far superior than 10/0 riven. Gp can parley you all day and prevent you from farming solo or even duo when first line of turrets are destroyed. one parley and you are slowed. and riven has poor escape despite her Q. nidalee's pounce moves much faster. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
And I'd argue 10/0 riven is a hell of a lot scarier than 10/0 gp. GP is largely supporty hero while riven can basically tower dive anyone that said gp is spamming Q on. And why do you compare GP to riven then say riven has poor escape compared to the best escaping champion in the game? That's really fucking retarded. Riven has stronger escapes than most champions and when you're 10/0 you can basically double kill any time they gank you because you have so much AoE. (I.e all your damage except your autohits) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 06 2011 21:35 getpicture wrote: most noobs build ryze the wrong way i.e with tear of godess first. the best way to make ryze is boots rod of ages than more Roa glacial etc. ppl rushing for archangel fail. also GP is far stronger than riven. a fed 10/0 Gp is far superior than 10/0 riven. Gp can parley you all day and prevent you from farming solo or even duo when first line of turrets are destroyed. one parley and you are slowed. and riven has poor escape despite her Q. nidalee's pounce moves much faster. Alright, either you're trolling or sorely uninformed. First, Tear of the Goddess is one of the most cost-effective items on Ryze. In fact, I think it is. And even if you build one RoA (which is usually sub-optimal on Ryze), building more than one is just dumb. So.... yeah. And wut. GP is good, for sure, but Parley is one shot and Riven can hit as hard or harder for longer and has an AoE execute. I can see GP duel as well as Riven, maybe, but GP can't run in and knock out 3 enemies in a teamfight almost by himself. And GP has no escape other than trying to slow and run. So yeah. | ||
sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 06 2011 21:35 getpicture wrote: most noobs build ryze the wrong way i.e with tear of godess first. the best way to make ryze is boots rod of ages than more Roa glacial etc. ppl rushing for archangel fail. also GP is far stronger than riven. a fed 10/0 Gp is far superior than 10/0 riven. Gp can parley you all day and prevent you from farming solo or even duo when first line of turrets are destroyed. one parley and you are slowed. and riven has poor escape despite her Q. nidalee's pounce moves much faster. Read the ryze guide, you're building ryze wrong too, and if you think people are building that tear into an AA staff, you're missing something (or you're right, and they're building ryze wrong too.). AA staff adds only 50 mana, which is the part Ryze cares about. A fed riven is going to output more DPS and especially AoE damage than a fed GP. A fed GP on the other hand, will be blasting away a huge chunk of your health before you engage, but he doesn't really do stupid sick DPS, it's just really strong ranged poke. And saying that riven's escapes are bad because nidalee is better ... by that logic, EVERYONE'S escape power except for maybe Kassadin is bad because Nidalee is better. Riven is pretty good at escaping, and the Q-hopping lets you continue moving quickly while slowed, which is equally or more important than just the burst of movement it gives you. Her Q and E are both on short-ish CDs, too, and the shield E grants while escaping helps a ton too. | ||
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koreasilver
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getpicture
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u dont add up ratios for a champ. consider adratios / cooldown. burst wise riven falls late game. Q can remove large % of enemy early game but late game her Q only does 10-15% ,max dmg of her targets. consider volibear burst frenzy, 20% bonus hp scaling. equivalent to 2.0 AP ratio with respect to gold. (rabadon death cap.) u need a math lesson. riven can't beat Gp enough said. scrim matches. already tested | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On December 07 2011 08:41 getpicture wrote: riven scaling is poor. riven is ad caster. base ad 107. ad skill ratios aren't everything/ what might as well say get 5 blood thirsters? the only champ which can carry with high ratios is TALON because he can escape and do so much dmg. lol .most ppl only get 2 dmg items rest is tanky for ad casters.. lets say her valor E shield ratio is 0.5 instead of 1. a blood thirster only gives extra 30 shield. go get a warmogs. potentially warmog 1400hp gives 1400/2000 70% more survivability. u dont add up ratios for a champ. consider adratios / cooldown. burst wise riven falls late game. Q can remove large % of enemy early game but late game her Q only does 10-15% ,max dmg of her targets. consider volibear burst frenzy, 20% bonus hp scaling. equivalent to 2.0 AP ratio with respect to gold. (rabadon death cap.) u need a math lesson. riven can't beat Gp enough said. scrim matches. already tested If you're only getting 2 damage items by late late game then yeah your burst will of course be neutered. Riven is NOT a Atmogs character. Any Riven that is Atmogsing it is just doing it straight up wrong. Follow the builds and advice here and from Navi. Riven is an amazing late-game carry. She doesn't compare to Talon because Talon is an assassin. Riven is not an assassin. Riven is not intended to be all front-end burst. She's got amazingly high sustained damage due to her skills and her passive. Ignoring the strength of her passive is likely part of why you're so badly misinformed about her damage potential. | ||
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koreasilver
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
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koreasilver
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broz0rs
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Takkara
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On December 07 2011 09:15 zulu_nation8 wrote: So for comboing at early levels, do you try to get an auto in inbetween every part of Q? If you're trying to kill at lv2, should you try to initiate with W? Do you W in the middle of Q or doesn't matter? Navi explains it in gruesome detail here: http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=7583 As I understand it, it depends on the nature of the matchup. Usually it's like 1 Q in, auto, W, then either Q away or use your other Q's or autos. | ||
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