EPT[Champion] Riven - Page 15
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Navi
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obv against something with a blink or dash type skill like lee you want to use w early in the combo (when you think they will use the dash). q and e both serve the purpose to get you to where you want to be. you can also play mindgames by baiting their dash by walking up or using 1 q to force a dash (after setting up a basic pattern of aggression like e->w or q- w in this case), and not using w while they use their dash and then keeping the q active by q'ing right when the q duration is going to expire and then force a good trade with the knockup, e, and w. But in most cases you want to maximize dps by not going over 3 stacks, yes. e and q let you stick to your opponent very well, and the w ministun is nice too. if you're going for a kill at level 2 you generally want to use w as the finisher because when they are stunned they aren't able to flash away etc and the cast time on the third q knockback is such that it's dodgable with flash. either way if you're dominating that hard it shouldn't be a big hurry, i don't like wasting flash for kills that early unless they are obviously at flash w-> auto (+ q if necessary) low enough hp | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I can deny him all day, beat him in a straight fight, but no matter what I do he'll just keep poking in and dropping fucking ghouls on my head and run away. Annoying as hell. I mean, I still murdered him, got highest farm in the game, and carried hard, but seriously, fuck that guy. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
Her passive-charged autoattack does a huge deal more than any of her 3 Q strikes. In fact, they do absolute shit for damage until you get farmed up. Spamming all 3 of them + W as fast as you can is not the best way to get burst damage out. Autoattack between Qs and don't forget you can use other abilities between Q strikes. | ||
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Cosmology
Canada360 Posts
Having 3 stakcs then auto attacking would make u deal 3 stacks worth of damage for first hit, 2 stacks for 2nd hit and 1 stack for 3rd hit, or u could use all 3 qs then auto attack, stun, auto attack, dash auto attack for a total of 9 stacks worth of damage. Why would you auto attack at 1 stack>? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 08 2011 13:16 Cosmology wrote: Why would you auto attack between the qs? Wouldnt you want to go q-q-q so that u have 3 stacks. Having 3 stakcs then auto attacking would make u deal 3 stacks worth of damage for first hit, 2 stacks for 2nd hit and 1 stack for 3rd hit, or u could use all 3 qs then auto attack, stun, auto attack, dash auto attack for a total of 9 stacks worth of damage. Why would you auto attack at 1 stack>? Her passive doesn't deal damage based on stacks. It always does the fixed damage and expends a charge when it's used. Having 3 stacks doesn't do more damage than having 1 stack. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Navi
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if you're looking late game iedge + green pots and crit mastery will increase your lategame damage much more, BT as a item vs 2 triforce items + 1 basic component does a lot more for riven as well not to mention while chaining q's you actually use skills faster than the proc resets and lastly riven's base damage isn't amazing, but her scaling is, so you should itemize appropriately | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 08 2011 14:15 Takkara wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Riven's Q reset her swing timer? In the sense that, every time I seem to use Q, I auto-attack immediately after. That's the biggest reason, to me, if it's true, for doing Q-Auto-Q-Auto-Q-Auto. If you open with an auto attack that's a ton of burst with a W in there. If it doesn't reset her timer then the animation of Q must just be really close to her auto-attack timer. It doesn't reset timer, but Q animation is pretty long so yea, it's quite closer to her auto attack timer. what you can do is you can cancel riven's backswing animation with Q tho | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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ManyCookies
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warscythes
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On December 09 2011 09:37 ManyCookies wrote: I thought it was impossible to build Riven incorrectly. Free Riven Week has proven me wrong. When did you start playing? The amount of atmog Riven I have seen when she is released is disgusting. Is like people forgot how to build a melee champion without building tanky items. I blame hotshot | ||
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Havefa1th
United States245 Posts
On December 08 2011 13:16 Cosmology wrote: Why would you auto attack between the qs? Wouldnt you want to go q-q-q so that u have 3 stacks. Having 3 stakcs then auto attacking would make u deal 3 stacks worth of damage for first hit, 2 stacks for 2nd hit and 1 stack for 3rd hit, or u could use all 3 qs then auto attack, stun, auto attack, dash auto attack for a total of 9 stacks worth of damage. Why would you auto attack at 1 stack>? You completely misunderstand her passive. Her passive gives her a damage buff to the next basic melee attack, one buff per stack, not an additive buff based on stacks. Therefore, only one stack is used per melee attack. Because you can't melee while using skills, and because you can only have 3 stacks; if you spam Q, then you waste the longer term damage capability and waste passive stacks if you need to stun or dash to chase, for example. You should use the passive as a 5th ability and your highest damage output. W does a lot of damage, but Q does shit for damage in comparison and E doesn't do any damage at all. Spreading out skills between autoattacks allows you to use each stack gained by her passive to its full potential. 3 Q's, auto attack, stun, auto attack, dash, auto attack (the combo you stated) would only use 3 stacks of her passive with 3 stacks left over, because you only melee 3 times.. Those three stacks are effectively wasted, because unless you have attack speed items, that's almost 3 seconds that you need to stand there whacking at the opponent to use them. In addition, you have no knockup, stun or dash to keep up with them/prevent them from running away anymore. Spread your shit out. Any Riven that spams Q doesn't know what they're doing and is a bad Riven. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On December 09 2011 11:05 Havefa1th wrote: You completely misunderstand her passive. Her passive gives her a damage buff to the next basic melee attack, one buff per stack, not an additive buff based on stacks. Therefore, only one stack is used per melee attack. Because you can't melee while using skills, and because you can only have 3 stacks; if you spam Q, then you waste the longer term damage capability and waste passive stacks if you need to stun or dash to chase, for example. You should use the passive as a 5th ability and your highest damage output. W does a lot of damage, but Q does shit for damage in comparison and E doesn't use much damage at all. Spreading out skills between autoattacks allows you to use each stack gained by her passive to its full potential. This. 90% of the rivens I face in mirror lane go E/W/Q/Q/Q and wonder why I still beat them when they initiated on me. Also, as for building her, it's easy: Cloth/5pot Vamp Scepter/Boots (wriggles if you can) Wriggles/BF sword (if you can afford it)/Longsword (if you can't) BT/Brutalizer (depending on the above item, get the other one next) If they have a lot of AP: Hexdrinker/GA Ghostblade If they have AD: Ghostblade/GA Another BT | ||
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Havefa1th
United States245 Posts
On December 09 2011 11:23 deth2munkies wrote: This. 90% of the rivens I face in mirror lane go E/W/Q/Q/Q and wonder why I still beat them when they initiated on me. Also, as for building her, it's easy: Cloth/5pot Vamp Scepter/Boots (wriggles if you can) Wriggles/BF sword (if you can afford it)/Longsword (if you can't) BT/Brutalizer (depending on the above item, get the other one next) If they have a lot of AP: Hexdrinker/GA Ghostblade If they have AD: Ghostblade/GA Another BT If you don't want to go full out assault, I don't even know if the ghostblade is necessary. Brutalizer, Wriggles and BT is insane damage (350+ AD with ult). After wriggles (essential item imo), brut and BT, I'd get a frozen mallet and guardian angel. If they're high AP, hexdrinker is a pretty decent item but lackluster unless they have 2+ AP champs. Magic resist runes and masteries, merc treads + GA is usually enough. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On December 09 2011 09:56 warscythes wrote: When did you start playing? The amount of atmog Riven I have seen when she is released is disgusting. Is like people forgot how to build a melee champion without building tanky items. I blame hotshot You should also blame the meta-game and item selection. Think of Atmogs as the top item tier equivalent of d-blade. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On December 09 2011 11:33 Havefa1th wrote: If you don't want to go full out assault, I don't even know if the ghostblade is necessary. Brutalizer, Wriggles and BT is insane damage (350+ AD with ult). After wriggles (essential item imo), brut and BT, I'd get a frozen mallet and guardian angel. If they're high AP, hexdrinker is a pretty decent item but lackluster unless they have 2+ AP champs. Magic resist runes and masteries, merc treads + GA is usually enough. I've tested atmongs, mallet, and triforce and all are lackluster at best. Attack speed seems good, but it's a trap you don't want to fall in because it means you're doing less damage, even Cleaver doesn't pull its weight. If you end up with an extra slot, Infinity Edge is what you'd really want. Over 1k crits with ult active <3 Hexdrinker is worth the slot if they have 2 AP carries or AP support/AP carry/Hybrid dps (Nid/Akali for example) or even if they have 1 extremely fed AP carry (solo queue). The shield will serve you until you finish GA. Also if it goes THAT late, sell wriggles for another BT. | ||
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Havefa1th
United States245 Posts
On December 09 2011 13:34 deth2munkies wrote: I've tested atmongs, mallet, and triforce and all are lackluster at best. Attack speed seems good, but it's a trap you don't want to fall in because it means you're doing less damage, even Cleaver doesn't pull its weight. If you end up with an extra slot, Infinity Edge is what you'd really want. Over 1k crits with ult active <3 Hexdrinker is worth the slot if they have 2 AP carries or AP support/AP carry/Hybrid dps (Nid/Akali for example) or even if they have 1 extremely fed AP carry (solo queue). The shield will serve you until you finish GA. Also if it goes THAT late, sell wriggles for another BT. I'd definitely agree with all of that. Though frozen mallet is nice because although Riven does have nice mobility, screw all those AD carries going double phantom dancers getting 500 movement speed. SCREW YOU. So the perma slow is nice. Other than that, idk if Frozen Mallet is worth the money. But in terms of 6 items, merc treads. 2x BT, GA, and Ghostblade is a decent setup for all out assault Riven, but substitute the second BT for mallet or something for beefier Riven. But first 4 items should be wriggles, brutalizer, bloodthirster and guardian's angel. IMO, of course | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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