EPT[Champion] Riven - Page 11
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On November 22 2011 13:34 Hoban wrote: Concerning EG and their last game at MLG (trying to keep this spoiler free). Westrice went Jungle Riven. Super excited about that because I have never seen him jungler her before. He started Boots+3pots and took blue->wolves. From here, his wraiths were stolen so he continued to golems then blue pill. The VoD didn't follow his route too much after this point but he ended up getting 2 dorans blades before continuing with his regular riven build instead of a wriggles. Do you think this is just because he was behind due to wraith steal or do you think going 2xDblades is better than a wriggles when you just need to get your core built fast (as Riven generally does). Be mindful that MLG was played before the S2 patch and new masteries. With the new masteries (specifically 21+/6+/0+), Riven is stupid strong in the jungle. Before S2 I always noticed hiccups in the early jungle passes. Now, you can clear the jungle to level 5 really fast with a Vamp Scepter -> Cloth/Pot start and finish with full health after a gank. It's silly. DBlade openings I haven't really worked on in the jungle, but they would be as potent or more so than ever. I don't know if it's even necessary for Riven to open boots in the jungle, but it's a possibility. I play a really passive jungle and I'm terrible at LoL, so I can't say what's optimal. All I can say with certainty though is that with the new masteries you can run a lot of different paths/item builds in the jungle with Riven. I wouldn't look to MLG though for tips because of it being on an old patch. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On November 22 2011 13:34 Hoban wrote: Concerning EG and their last game at MLG (trying to keep this spoiler free). Westrice went Jungle Riven. Super excited about that because I have never seen him jungler her before. He started Boots+3pots and took blue->wolves. From here, his wraiths were stolen so he continued to golems then blue pill. The VoD didn't follow his route too much after this point but he ended up getting 2 dorans blades before continuing with his regular riven build instead of a wriggles. Do you think this is just because he was behind due to wraith steal or do you think going 2xDblades is better than a wriggles when you just need to get your core built fast (as Riven generally does). Are we watching different games? Looking at the VOD I see him starting Dblade, getting pressured off his blue and his wraith stolen, forcing him to take wolves and then fail a gank in mid. He went blades because it makes early ganks with riven super strong and it fits his normal build. Dblade/Brutalizer Riven, after selling off the blades, is ~200G more expensive than Wriggles Riven but it allows more aggressive play out of the gate. | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On November 22 2011 23:42 Hoban wrote: Yes rewatching the VoDs that is what happened. I tried Boots+3pots -> Dbladex2. Noticeably stronger ganks from the jungle for sure. She does an absolute monster amount of damage early and is quick enough to boot. I have been running her smite+exhaust as well but definitely finding it easy to gank. What's your path for boots 3 pot? I'd really like to do this too since Riven with red and boots is pretty much a guaranteed kill or summoner down. | ||
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Fayfay
Sweden128 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
heal+ignite TROLOLOLO terror in lane, terror in teamfight | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
I need a few more days to figure it out fully but so far, 21/9/0 has been working best (taking bladed armor) because she can clear quickly with this setup. The biggest problem is that Riven is very farm dependent and even if you are getting kills/assists you will still need a bit of lane-farm near mid-game to really get into late game with a decent build. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On November 23 2011 22:08 Hoban wrote: I really need to play more games to really get a good feel for jungling her. Without a leash, I go wraiths, wolves, golems, red, blue pill. With a leash, I go blue, wolves, wraiths, golems, blue pill red gank. I have been trying out 2x dorans instead of wriggles. Giving up a free ward is really painful but it makes your ganks much scarier earlier. You give up quite a bit going wriggle-less but if you know someone on your team is grabbing it, it is still an ok option in my opinion. I need a few more days to figure it out fully but so far, 21/9/0 has been working best (taking bladed armor) because she can clear quickly with this setup. The biggest problem is that Riven is very farm dependent and even if you are getting kills/assists you will still need a bit of lane-farm near mid-game to really get into late game with a decent build. Are you really that scary with the +200 HP and +6% lifesteal with your ganks? 2 DBlade: 950g, 200HP, 20 damage, 6% lifesteal Madreds: 1000g, 23 armor, 15 damage, Madred's Proc Sure, I get that DBlade's are giving you a lot more stats, but the 5 damage is not making your ganks that much stronger. The 200 HP might make it so you aren't getting counter-ganked as easily, but unless you're really going for something like a strong level 2 gank, then is it really worth it that much? | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
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Stryk
United States22 Posts
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rigwarl
United States540 Posts
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
Oh and I ran a few normals running ignite/exhaust. I think that is the only way to touch a lane like nasus or renek. Just go heavy aggression starting at level 1 and try to get an early FB. Idk what else to try because those matchups are pretty tough otherwise. I know that those are near-unwinnable matchups anyway but I hey I gotta try. | ||
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Ayestes
United States106 Posts
I've come to the conclusion that the Infinity Edge is still much more solid in terms of Assassination, which is what my Riven tends to do anyway. Not to mention it's less risky. I've actually been really liking the Infinity Edge in tandem with a Youmuu's Ghostblade as well. Given your start choice is usually between Wriggles and Brutalizer/DBlade depending on how the lane is going, I often find myself being able to open up with a Brutalizer quite often and I can crush my opponents out of the lane. I'm not sure if the 3% Life Steal from masteries is really having any effect on my sustain without Wriggles, but it certainly feels like it. Since I often already have the Brutalizer, picking up the Youmuu's Ghostblade after the Infinity Edge in the extreme late game lets me burn through any possible stored Runic charges and capitalize on the strong auto-attack damage that Riven has. For summoner spells I've actually been running Cleanse / Flash, because Exhaust just cripples her so badly when she goes into a team fight. When your the one carrying, you always seem to be the one that gets the Exhaust as well. | ||
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HolyToss1911
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Ayestes
United States106 Posts
Essentially, with enough defense, you can trade hits with him and come out ahead like you do against most champions. Just make sure to Valor before you get silenced. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On November 23 2011 23:23 Hoban wrote: Well the extra 200 hp is nice for going just a little bit more. I am still playing around with it though. I think you are right though, going Madreds->wriggles is the way to go. Regardless, boots is definitely the way to start. You come flying out of that jungle much more quickly and can almost always force a summoner. I like to run Smite Exhaust. If you 2xQ to them, then Q -> AA -> W -> AA -> Exhaust you can generally get a second round of Q's in to keep you on their heels. But then again, if you get caught somewhere you should be, you generally die. Do you gank before you blue pill? I feel like if you don't gank right away boots first is a bit of a waste. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 24 2011 03:05 starfries wrote: Do you gank before you blue pill? I feel like if you don't gank right away boots first is a bit of a waste. Well, it's also faster in that you get from place to place faster, and can get to lanes to cover as well. Boots offer a bit more flexibility than just straight damage. | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
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