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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 22 2011 05:45 GMT
#201
If anything, I'd imagine it's even more viable than last patch.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
November 22 2011 06:23 GMT
#202
On November 22 2011 13:34 Hoban wrote:
Concerning EG and their last game at MLG (trying to keep this spoiler free). Westrice went Jungle Riven. Super excited about that because I have never seen him jungler her before. He started Boots+3pots and took blue->wolves. From here, his wraiths were stolen so he continued to golems then blue pill. The VoD didn't follow his route too much after this point but he ended up getting 2 dorans blades before continuing with his regular riven build instead of a wriggles. Do you think this is just because he was behind due to wraith steal or do you think going 2xDblades is better than a wriggles when you just need to get your core built fast (as Riven generally does).


Be mindful that MLG was played before the S2 patch and new masteries. With the new masteries (specifically 21+/6+/0+), Riven is stupid strong in the jungle. Before S2 I always noticed hiccups in the early jungle passes. Now, you can clear the jungle to level 5 really fast with a Vamp Scepter -> Cloth/Pot start and finish with full health after a gank. It's silly. DBlade openings I haven't really worked on in the jungle, but they would be as potent or more so than ever. I don't know if it's even necessary for Riven to open boots in the jungle, but it's a possibility. I play a really passive jungle and I'm terrible at LoL, so I can't say what's optimal. All I can say with certainty though is that with the new masteries you can run a lot of different paths/item builds in the jungle with Riven. I wouldn't look to MLG though for tips because of it being on an old patch.
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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
November 22 2011 10:43 GMT
#203
I usually open with cloth 5, going wraiths>wolves>blue, b for boots, then small golems, red and gank. It's probably not the greatest path, but I haven't really figured out any fast ganking paths.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 22 2011 14:22 GMT
#204
On November 22 2011 13:34 Hoban wrote:
Concerning EG and their last game at MLG (trying to keep this spoiler free). Westrice went Jungle Riven. Super excited about that because I have never seen him jungler her before. He started Boots+3pots and took blue->wolves. From here, his wraiths were stolen so he continued to golems then blue pill. The VoD didn't follow his route too much after this point but he ended up getting 2 dorans blades before continuing with his regular riven build instead of a wriggles. Do you think this is just because he was behind due to wraith steal or do you think going 2xDblades is better than a wriggles when you just need to get your core built fast (as Riven generally does).


Are we watching different games? Looking at the VOD I see him starting Dblade, getting pressured off his blue and his wraith stolen, forcing him to take wolves and then fail a gank in mid.

He went blades because it makes early ganks with riven super strong and it fits his normal build. Dblade/Brutalizer Riven, after selling off the blades, is ~200G more expensive than Wriggles Riven but it allows more aggressive play out of the gate.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 22 2011 14:42 GMT
#205
Yes rewatching the VoDs that is what happened. I tried Boots+3pots -> Dbladex2. Noticeably stronger ganks from the jungle for sure. She does an absolute monster amount of damage early and is quick enough to boot. I have been running her smite+exhaust as well but definitely finding it easy to gank.
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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 21:19:25
November 22 2011 21:18 GMT
#206
On November 22 2011 23:42 Hoban wrote:
Yes rewatching the VoDs that is what happened. I tried Boots+3pots -> Dbladex2. Noticeably stronger ganks from the jungle for sure. She does an absolute monster amount of damage early and is quick enough to boot. I have been running her smite+exhaust as well but definitely finding it easy to gank.

What's your path for boots 3 pot? I'd really like to do this too since Riven with red and boots is pretty much a guaranteed kill or summoner down.
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Fayfay
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden128 Posts
November 23 2011 11:40 GMT
#207
Would also like some "quick guide" on Jungle riven, just the basics really with the new masteries and all. Was thinking of picking her up since I need an interesting jungler.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 23 2011 11:56 GMT
#208
ive been playing solo top riven since fizz patch.

heal+ignite TROLOLOLO terror in lane, terror in teamfight
cool beans
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 23 2011 13:08 GMT
#209
I really need to play more games to really get a good feel for jungling her. Without a leash, I go wraiths, wolves, golems, red, blue pill. With a leash, I go blue, wolves, wraiths, golems, blue pill red gank. I have been trying out 2x dorans instead of wriggles. Giving up a free ward is really painful but it makes your ganks much scarier earlier. You give up quite a bit going wriggle-less but if you know someone on your team is grabbing it, it is still an ok option in my opinion.

I need a few more days to figure it out fully but so far, 21/9/0 has been working best (taking bladed armor) because she can clear quickly with this setup. The biggest problem is that Riven is very farm dependent and even if you are getting kills/assists you will still need a bit of lane-farm near mid-game to really get into late game with a decent build.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
November 23 2011 14:15 GMT
#210
On November 23 2011 22:08 Hoban wrote:
I really need to play more games to really get a good feel for jungling her. Without a leash, I go wraiths, wolves, golems, red, blue pill. With a leash, I go blue, wolves, wraiths, golems, blue pill red gank. I have been trying out 2x dorans instead of wriggles. Giving up a free ward is really painful but it makes your ganks much scarier earlier. You give up quite a bit going wriggle-less but if you know someone on your team is grabbing it, it is still an ok option in my opinion.

I need a few more days to figure it out fully but so far, 21/9/0 has been working best (taking bladed armor) because she can clear quickly with this setup. The biggest problem is that Riven is very farm dependent and even if you are getting kills/assists you will still need a bit of lane-farm near mid-game to really get into late game with a decent build.


Are you really that scary with the +200 HP and +6% lifesteal with your ganks?

2 DBlade: 950g, 200HP, 20 damage, 6% lifesteal
Madreds: 1000g, 23 armor, 15 damage, Madred's Proc

Sure, I get that DBlade's are giving you a lot more stats, but the 5 damage is not making your ganks that much stronger. The 200 HP might make it so you aren't getting counter-ganked as easily, but unless you're really going for something like a strong level 2 gank, then is it really worth it that much?
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Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 23 2011 14:23 GMT
#211
Well the extra 200 hp is nice for going just a little bit more. I am still playing around with it though. I think you are right though, going Madreds->wriggles is the way to go. Regardless, boots is definitely the way to start. You come flying out of that jungle much more quickly and can almost always force a summoner. I like to run Smite Exhaust. If you 2xQ to them, then Q -> AA -> W -> AA -> Exhaust you can generally get a second round of Q's in to keep you on their heels. But then again, if you get caught somewhere you should be, you generally die.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Stryk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States22 Posts
November 23 2011 15:01 GMT
#212
Try starting with a vamp scepter, it also builds into a wriggles which is great for junglers
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#213
200 HP is alot. It's about how much your ultimate (read: most ultimates) will hit for. Think about how many more kills you could have if you ult'd twice, or inversely how much less times you would die if the other guy has ult down.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 23 2011 15:40 GMT
#214
This thanksgiving time I will spend getting this jungle riven down. I will try boots, vamp, and cloth openings. When I am coming out of the jungle with 2x dorans I don't find the extra damage of the dorans to be the deal breaker, it is the extra health I can use to tower dive some poor soul. To me, 200hp feels like the difference between a kill getting away under tower, and a QQQ->W->AA->Dash out for the kill.

Oh and I ran a few normals running ignite/exhaust. I think that is the only way to touch a lane like nasus or renek. Just go heavy aggression starting at level 1 and try to get an early FB. Idk what else to try because those matchups are pretty tough otherwise. I know that those are near-unwinnable matchups anyway but I hey I gotta try.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Ayestes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 17:21:12
November 23 2011 17:19 GMT
#215
I've been doing a lot of experimentation between a 2nd Bloodthirster and an Infinity Edge. This is after the basic Merc Treads, Wriggles, Bloodthirster, and Guardian Angel core. At this point Riven usually just wins games anyway so it's difficult to come up with much a difference. The Infinity Edge certainly lets you do more auto attack damage and the crits are vicious, but the Bloodthirster is cheaper and brings your Lifesteal into ridiculous levels on top of having potentially 20 more AD. The downside for the second Bloodthirster is if the game gets turned around you will be losing around 80 AD instead of 40 AD.

I've come to the conclusion that the Infinity Edge is still much more solid in terms of Assassination, which is what my Riven tends to do anyway. Not to mention it's less risky. I've actually been really liking the Infinity Edge in tandem with a Youmuu's Ghostblade as well. Given your start choice is usually between Wriggles and Brutalizer/DBlade depending on how the lane is going, I often find myself being able to open up with a Brutalizer quite often and I can crush my opponents out of the lane. I'm not sure if the 3% Life Steal from masteries is really having any effect on my sustain without Wriggles, but it certainly feels like it. Since I often already have the Brutalizer, picking up the Youmuu's Ghostblade after the Infinity Edge in the extreme late game lets me burn through any possible stored Runic charges and capitalize on the strong auto-attack damage that Riven has.

For summoner spells I've actually been running Cleanse / Flash, because Exhaust just cripples her so badly when she goes into a team fight. When your the one carrying, you always seem to be the one that gets the Exhaust as well.
Would you kindly?
HolyToss1911
Profile Joined May 2007
354 Posts
November 23 2011 17:47 GMT
#216
How does Riven lanes against a Garen?
Ayestes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 17:54:15
November 23 2011 17:52 GMT
#217
With Cloth Armor and Armor Quints I've found she can push the typical one out of the lane. Riven is probably the only champion I have two runesets for, one specifically to counter Physical Champions and a regular set. Given the Quints might be overkill, but I swear there was a time where it was just Garen and Talon in top lane and I was going to make sure I bring them down.

Essentially, with enough defense, you can trade hits with him and come out ahead like you do against most champions. Just make sure to Valor before you get silenced.
Would you kindly?
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
November 23 2011 18:05 GMT
#218
On November 23 2011 23:23 Hoban wrote:
Well the extra 200 hp is nice for going just a little bit more. I am still playing around with it though. I think you are right though, going Madreds->wriggles is the way to go. Regardless, boots is definitely the way to start. You come flying out of that jungle much more quickly and can almost always force a summoner. I like to run Smite Exhaust. If you 2xQ to them, then Q -> AA -> W -> AA -> Exhaust you can generally get a second round of Q's in to keep you on their heels. But then again, if you get caught somewhere you should be, you generally die.

Do you gank before you blue pill? I feel like if you don't gank right away boots first is a bit of a waste.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 23 2011 19:28 GMT
#219
On November 24 2011 03:05 starfries wrote:
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On November 23 2011 23:23 Hoban wrote:
Well the extra 200 hp is nice for going just a little bit more. I am still playing around with it though. I think you are right though, going Madreds->wriggles is the way to go. Regardless, boots is definitely the way to start. You come flying out of that jungle much more quickly and can almost always force a summoner. I like to run Smite Exhaust. If you 2xQ to them, then Q -> AA -> W -> AA -> Exhaust you can generally get a second round of Q's in to keep you on their heels. But then again, if you get caught somewhere you should be, you generally die.

Do you gank before you blue pill? I feel like if you don't gank right away boots first is a bit of a waste.

Well, it's also faster in that you get from place to place faster, and can get to lanes to cover as well. Boots offer a bit more flexibility than just straight damage.
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Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 23 2011 20:47 GMT
#220
Yes I gank before bluepill with boots. Tried vamp scepter and you come out with lower health and you aren't as scary. Building towards wriggles is nice but you don't get your damage until you get a madreds. Boots are definitely the way to go. You come out of the jungle with quite a bit of health and you can do serious damage. Wolves -> Blue (with leash) -> wraiths -> Golems -> Gank (can gank mid before golems). With a good leash you should have plenty of health. I skill Q/W/E then prioritize Q then W. You clear a little slower with E but you come out with more HP and you have that extra little gap closer. It really helps if you need to take a hit from a tower too.
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