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So maybe as a jungler because of the recent jungle creep nerf he can't do it as fast as others- while being available for possible ganks pre-6 (I think he really really needs a red buff at the very least to beable to do anything).. But as stated above his lvl 6 gank is pretty much an auto kill for the team.. I've also seen him solo top a lot on stream(guardsman bob plays him a huge amount) and he seems to always always win his lane.
I understand why he wouldn't win v trynda (trynda has a better sustain / dmg out put with no mana requ right?) but why would'nt he win v riven? I've been thinking about buying ww to play to counter ad top (i use udyr for ap...) i dont even know if this is what he counters or if I'm completely wrong, if this is the case correct me  .
Also I've read/heard people telling me to level R>Q>E>W and some others say that I should stop at lvl 3 E and then max W first, thoughts on this? I think that it makes more sense since you get less of a range boost on ur passive E skill after level 3 and W is just sooo good for your team. . ..
This was really poorly written, apologies but I'm tired.
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On January 05 2012 01:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 11:21 novalight wrote:
if you think he was as good as lee sin, nocturne, udyr, or other top junglers pre jungle change, you're basically just wrong and I don't know what else I'm supposed to tell you
User was warned for this post Warwick's ganks post 6 are the strongest out of all junglers, that's never even been up for discussion. His big problem was that he was a bad ganker pre 6 and since the dragon change a year and a half ago he couldn't abuse level 3/4 dragons like he used to be able to. That's literally the ONLY REASON people changed their mind about ww. Even after the W nerfs (after nerf after nerf) he's still retarded strong in the right comps. He's no longer the very best jungle pick period like he was for 2 years but he's still just as competitive as any other jungle pick. Also lol you have no idea who you were talking to there, huh?
his ganks arent anything special to be honest, a gank isnt a solo effort. a crippled target takes longer to run the distance a dragon kick knocks you back than ww supresses for.
he seems to be a really badly designed champion. his abilties scale off of ad, except q which is magic damage. but his ult causes magic damage -_-. he has no inate tankyness to burst, so has to build full tank or just die. and his 1 trick pony ult makes him completely ignorable if you just save a stun.
i actually enjoy playing ww he just feels bad at all stages of the game 
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im almost sure that his ulti gets some buff from ap but i may be wrong.. .However seeing as wits end always seems to be a MUST BUY item (and maybe malady good do some decent things), it's hardly useless
However I think after seeing how op jax will get, I will just use him to counter ad carries bruisers top ^^;:
Oh and FINALLY riven got a nerf mwhahaha./
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On January 14 2012 09:22 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 01:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2012 11:21 novalight wrote:
if you think he was as good as lee sin, nocturne, udyr, or other top junglers pre jungle change, you're basically just wrong and I don't know what else I'm supposed to tell you
User was warned for this post Warwick's ganks post 6 are the strongest out of all junglers, that's never even been up for discussion. His big problem was that he was a bad ganker pre 6 and since the dragon change a year and a half ago he couldn't abuse level 3/4 dragons like he used to be able to. That's literally the ONLY REASON people changed their mind about ww. Even after the W nerfs (after nerf after nerf) he's still retarded strong in the right comps. He's no longer the very best jungle pick period like he was for 2 years but he's still just as competitive as any other jungle pick. Also lol you have no idea who you were talking to there, huh? his ganks arent anything special to be honest, a gank isnt a solo effort. a crippled target takes longer to run the distance a dragon kick knocks you back than ww supresses for. he seems to be a really badly designed champion. his abilties scale off of ad, except q which is magic damage. but his ult causes magic damage -_-. he has no inate tankyness to burst, so has to build full tank or just die. and his 1 trick pony ult makes him completely ignorable if you just save a stun. i actually enjoy playing ww he just feels bad at all stages of the game
I feel like you're completely underestimating how much sustained dps a warwick puts out in fights. His package isn't meant to 1v1 people. He's meant to be a constant source of %hp and auto-attack damage with a single-target flash suppression. When I hear people talk about Warwick being weak as a champion I feel like they missed the first 2 years of this game where he was insanely overpowered. Post-nerfs, sure, he's not the king anymore, but he's not a bad pick either.
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My problem with jungle wick right now is that he clears so slowly while his ganking is just as strong as it was in old jungle, so it's an outright nerf to him. He wasn't the most popular pick as it was.
Lanewick is very strong if you're going to win lane. I think that's the main thing though, if you lose lane you won't be effective. That's pretty standard for most people, so it kinda depends on what's popular top lane.
I have never felt warwick in midgame/lategame to be weak. It's just awkward getting there atm.
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So I just started jungling with ww, any advice for builds? This is my current set up.
Boots 3pot ->madreds->merc treads->wriggles-> ????
After wriggles I don't know what to build.... I usually get wit's end. But where do I go from here?
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On January 21 2012 08:59 wei2coolman wrote:
So I just started jungling with ww, any advice for builds? This is my current set up.
Boots 3pot ->madreds->merc treads->wriggles-> ????
After wriggles I don't know what to build.... I usually get wit's end. But where do I go from here?
there is a guide in the OP, and it's largely up to date, especially in terms of items, altho iirc smash has basically replaced bloodrazor with triforce.
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On January 21 2012 09:16 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 08:59 wei2coolman wrote:
So I just started jungling with ww, any advice for builds? This is my current set up.
Boots 3pot ->madreds->merc treads->wriggles-> ????
After wriggles I don't know what to build.... I usually get wit's end. But where do I go from here? there is a guide in the OP, and it's largely up to date, especially in terms of items, altho iirc smash has basically replaced bloodrazor with triforce.
I open boots -> wriggle's -> hog -> triforce most games with early zerkers/tabi if I don't need mercs later, and late mercs if I do. wriggle's + trifroce + 2 defensive items of choice + 3rd defensive item or wit's end should be your target end game goal usually
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what killed warwick is the shift from ad carry mid to ad carry bot.
He used to be able to just ult your ad(your only source of damage) and then always bite never die from your 4 man tank line.
now that people tend to run huge burst, maybe even 2 AP plus the ad carry...he just has not much place in the game anymore unless your opponents let you get a kill everytime ult is up.
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Am I the only who thinks that WW is a terrible jungle pick? I see him being picked all the time and I just don't get it.
He can't can't pre six, but like every other jungler can clear faster than him. His ganks at six are pretty strong but they are very ult reliant. I dunno seems like just picking WW lets the other teams lanes push really hard without fear, meanwhile the opposing jungler laughs and just farms faster than WW can. Suddenly you have lanes being at a disadvantaged because the other team can over extend and you get shit on because the other jungler just has more farm.
So... basically you need a suiper strong early game comp or you just get rolled.
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Haha First time I played LoL and played Warrick, I got 10 kills through jungling lol
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On January 21 2012 13:50 iCanada wrote:
Am I the only who thinks that WW is a terrible jungle pick? I see him being picked all the time and I just don't get it.
He can't can't pre six, but like every other jungler can clear faster than him. His ganks at six are pretty strong but they are very ult reliant. I dunno seems like just picking WW lets the other teams lanes push really hard without fear, meanwhile the opposing jungler laughs and just farms faster than WW can. Suddenly you have lanes being at a disadvantaged because the other team can over extend and you get shit on because the other jungler just has more farm.
So... basically you need a suiper strong early game comp or you just get rolled.
I dunno, all I know is I carried with jungle WW, went 19/6/12, while our kennen went 1/12.
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Smash, do you always build triforce with your phage? Often I like to build my phage into frozen mallet if i feel i need to be able to stick to someone. I know most games i build FM i'm a tanky fucker who can't die and you can't run from. Although i'm generally a fan of FM on bruisers.
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Anyone tried Ionic spark on him, if so whats the conclusion?
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On January 21 2012 14:56 RogerX wrote:
Anyone tried Ionic spark on him, if so whats the conclusion?
I haven't done it, but imo I think it's a bad item. It should only be gotten if you're durable enough, and don't need wit's end. I guess you could use as a replacement? He doesn't really need it, but I would like to see how that would work with WW ult.
On another ult. <3 the fucking guide here. so fucking good. Thanks everyone!
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On January 21 2012 17:02 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 14:56 RogerX wrote:
Anyone tried Ionic spark on him, if so whats the conclusion? I haven't done it, but imo I think it's a bad item. It should only be gotten if you're durable enough, and don't need wit's end. I guess you could use as a replacement? He doesn't really need it, but I would like to see how that would work with WW ult. On another ult. <3 the fucking guide here. so fucking good. Thanks everyone!
I think the point is to help WW clear the jungle faster via the AoE proc. Like wriggles, just AoE.
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On January 21 2012 17:40 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 17:02 wei2coolman wrote:On January 21 2012 14:56 RogerX wrote:
Anyone tried Ionic spark on him, if so whats the conclusion? I haven't done it, but imo I think it's a bad item. It should only be gotten if you're durable enough, and don't need wit's end. I guess you could use as a replacement? He doesn't really need it, but I would like to see how that would work with WW ult. On another ult. <3 the fucking guide here. so fucking good. Thanks everyone! I think the point is to help WW clear the jungle faster via the AoE proc. Like wriggles, just AoE.
by the time you get ionic spark, (i'm guessing you get this first?) you should be in your ganking phase, and should rarely be famring up. But then again I'm not some super high elo player.
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On January 21 2012 17:02 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 14:56 RogerX wrote:
Anyone tried Ionic spark on him, if so whats the conclusion? I haven't done it, but imo I think it's a bad item. It should only be gotten if you're durable enough, and don't need wit's end. I guess you could use as a replacement? He doesn't really need it, but I would like to see how that would work with WW ult. On another ult. <3 the fucking guide here. so fucking good. Thanks everyone!
tried him today since he was free and went 7-2-12 ( same assists as support ). I really like him in high elo solo que because you pretty much need to rush to six or you will be wasting your time. Also below ~~1900 lanes would be already lost by the time you are capable of ganking.
here is my build , ( testing the spark )
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Also take both arcane knowledge and weapon expertise. I run ghost because i like it better than flash for ganking through the lane and teamfights at dragon.
On a side note i was wondering how would the red hybrid penetration runes work with this build. But i guess it wont be worthed considering u lose 15% AS.
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On January 21 2012 19:41 Sponkz wrote:
No wriggles? :C
I find it situation. I was doing good and bought the spark ( it really helps out on clearing camps imho ). Buy manual wards. Also you can upgrade to madred as 5th ot 6th slot depending if the game drags on. But honestly most game if u get good ganks they wont last as long. If u have the ionic / wits / madred your ulti seriously hurts , will take 60-70% of range ad's and ap's. Ionic might not be optional but surely is fun as hell =]. Would want to test the damage with a void staff as 6th slot as well in the future in a normal or w/e.
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