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On January 21 2012 14:44 BlackPaladin wrote:
Smash, do you always build triforce with your phage? Often I like to build my phage into frozen mallet if i feel i need to be able to stick to someone. I know most games i build FM i'm a tanky fucker who can't die and you can't run from. Although i'm generally a fan of FM on bruisers.
Trinity force is just as good for sticking to people, if not better. it's like, would you rather do a lot more damage or have a bit more HP.
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On January 21 2012 19:58 TheBJ wrote:I find it situation. I was doing good and bought the spark ( it really helps out on clearing camps imho ). Buy manual wards. Also you can upgrade to madred as 5th ot 6th slot depending if the game drags on. But honestly most game if u get good ganks they wont last as long. If u have the ionic / wits / madred your ulti seriously hurts , will take 60-70% of range ad's and ap's. Ionic might not be optional but surely is fun as hell =]. Would want to test the damage with a void staff as 6th slot as well in the future in a normal or w/e.
Question on your ionic spark game, Did you feel the ionic spark actually helped? or were you just outplaying hte enemy team?
this is one thing I have problems when trying new builds, is that testing out new builds require A LOT of data points to account for variance, and from what you've shown its only one game.
Also, is that your 3rd item after madreds' and boots? or 4th after wit's end?
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ionic spark is a bad item, period. it fills a niche that is just better filled by other items and if you're buying it, you're just doing something wrong, plain and simple.
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i don't see any champion ever being better for it than teemo and i tried it on him and it sucked so that pretty much settled it for me. As far as i can tell the item does nothing :h. Spark doesn't even push well, just get a sunfire if you want it for that.
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Wit's end just seems like a better item without much question.
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Okay, been jungling a lot with warwick, now I'm not sure what is a better opening, longsword 1 pot, or boots 3 pot? Probably boots huh?
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On January 31 2012 13:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay, been jungling a lot with warwick, now I'm not sure what is a better opening, longsword 1 pot, or boots 3 pot? Probably boots huh?
Well opening boots first is for ganking, and since you're Warwick, I'm thinking no.
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Depends on where go if you ask me.
I've seen saintvicious recently buying Boots, Pot, Ward, going Wraith -> red with the help of team mates.
Full HP ww lvl2 gank that almost no one expects. Usually forces the enemy solo top to flash. With boots - depending on your solo top - you might even get FB.
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On January 13 2012 14:58 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 16:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 05 2012 01:13 Mogwai wrote:On January 05 2012 01:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 04 2012 11:21 novalight wrote:
if you think he was as good as lee sin, nocturne, udyr, or other top junglers pre jungle change, you're basically just wrong and I don't know what else I'm supposed to tell you
User was warned for this post Warwick's ganks post 6 are the strongest out of all junglers, that's never even been up for discussion. His big problem was that he was a bad ganker pre 6 and since the dragon change a year and a half ago he couldn't abuse level 3/4 dragons like he used to be able to. That's literally the ONLY REASON people changed their mind about ww. Even after the W nerfs (after nerf after nerf) he's still retarded strong in the right comps. He's no longer the very best jungle pick period like he was for 2 years but he's still just as competitive as any other jungle pick. Also lol you have no idea who you were talking to there, huh? do you still play him 5hit? I can't bring myself to play WW nowadays because he needs farm so badly and the only way to get gold in the new jungle is to lane camp early and often or to stack gold/10s and WW does neither very well. can you just bite the bullet and run some ghetto fast 6 route and then just ult on every CD? I pick him once in a blue moon when I feel like being cheeky and I always end up dominating super hard with him and going like "wow wtf warwick is so good how come i don't main him" and then i don't ever pick him again. alright, boots opening, red first, W -> E -> level 2 gank is HILARIOUS and always works. WW and I are BFFs again.
Yeah this works like a charm. You can open boots and go Red first.
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Boots and Red first is actually viable? I've been playing LoL again on my account and I'm just stomping my way up the levels. Been playing a lot of Ashe, Kassadin and now Jungle WW is pretty boss. Problem is, if they have a counter-tanky jungler, like Amumu I'm negated or equalized.
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On February 01 2012 01:27 Slardar wrote:
Boots and Red first is actually viable? I've been playing LoL again on my account and I'm just stomping my way up the levels. Been playing a lot of Ashe, Kassadin and now Jungle WW is pretty boss. Problem is, if they have a counter-tanky jungler, like Amumu I'm negated or equalized.
Like little fancy said, you almost always force a flash or if you're lucky get FB. Between bloodscent and red buff there's no escape ^^
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What are current masteries on jungle WW? The stuff in the guide isnt showing up correctly. I'm not really sure where to put them all. 21 offense is pretty nice, but yeah, iunno.
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Im guessing boots red first start only works if you are purple side?
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On February 01 2012 03:55 -Kato- wrote:
Im guessing boots red first start only works if you are purple side?
I dont see you failing a gank bot if they dont have like alistar or taric.
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On January 31 2012 13:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay, been jungling a lot with warwick, now I'm not sure what is a better opening, longsword 1 pot, or boots 3 pot? Probably boots huh?
What are the stats on this? I feel like the difference in clear time with a longsword has to be almost exactly as small as from just getting around faster with boots, plus the boots are usually better for ganks/escapes.
I always go boots.
Best wick build:
Mercs
Wriggles
Wits
spirit visage
Ionic
BT
Then sell wriggles for ghostblade.
fun
EDIT: this is not a serious build
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Really not seing what the Ionic Spark accomplishes for you in there. Your damage is decent and at that point, I would think frozen heart would add a lot more for you than Ionic Spark.
Bring your CDR up for more Qspam, and resists so that you're building in a way that's more in line with WW's role as a guy who loves long, drawn out fights and doesn't need late game damage items because your Q scales off enemy max health.
Also, why BT and ghostblade? Tankyness will take you farther, rather than praying that you can out-lifesteal their burst, KNOW that you can out-tank their burst and then lifesteal it back at your leisure. Also actual lifesteal items aren't as necessary on WW as you make them out to be - you already have a boss Q + wriggles, flat resists are way better.
So basically something like:
Mercs
Wriggles
Wits
[glacial shroud can go here if you want more armor than just wriggles at this point]
Spirit Visage
Frozen Heart
Triforce
Then sell Wriggles for BT.
I just dont see the reasons why you depart from the builds that other people have recommended here. You didn't really give a reason, either.
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I'm one of those people who like sunfire/FoN/madreds WW. It's not optimal but man does it make me feel oldschool.
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Fuck, that Wraith/Red route is boss. Works like a charming truck if you're on the purple side, didn't dare to try it on blue yet.
Uh, also, am I too dumb at reading the OP or am I a baddie if I love aegis on WW?
My build usually goes like Boots/Wriggles/Kindlegem/Aegis -> Wits/Triforce.
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On February 01 2012 17:09 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm one of those people who like sunfire/FoN/madreds WW. It's not optimal but man does it make me feel oldschool.
sunfire is nice since warwick is awful at clearing big waves of creeps but instead i always end up building frozen heart, wits end, etc zzzzz.
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On January 21 2012 13:50 iCanada wrote:
Am I the only who thinks that WW is a terrible jungle pick? I see him being picked all the time and I just don't get it.
He can't can't pre six, but like every other jungler can clear faster than him. His ganks at six are pretty strong but they are very ult reliant. I dunno seems like just picking WW lets the other teams lanes push really hard without fear, meanwhile the opposing jungler laughs and just farms faster than WW can. Suddenly you have lanes being at a disadvantaged because the other team can over extend and you get shit on because the other jungler just has more farm.
So... basically you need a suiper strong early game comp or you just get rolled.
I changed my mind. WW just requires a different school of jungling thought than most of the junglers I usually play. He has pretty decent level 2 ganks, and if you start boots any early game counter jungling against WW is suicide.
He does the job of putting out map pressure/control as well as being able to control objectives fairly well. I was just more used to the Udyr/LeeSin/Shyvana "farm like a boss and carry hard" style of jungling.
MmmmMmmm Crow.....
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