EPT[Champion] Nasus - Page 3
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Ruscour
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
Also, max E first, it helps the team more. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Maxing E after Q is arguable, you can use it for dragon fights, but I very rarely notice it making that big an impact. Sure you cast it before you Q someone at the start of the fight for more damage but overall maxing whither is generally more devastating. -4 base second cooldown as you approach 40% CDR is pretty big. Cloth+5 is arguable. I actually like to use my tp faster so it's up again faster. You rarely need it early unless you die to jungle gank and being able to tp with philo+boots+wards+pots is good. Cloth/dorans shield is needed vs hard lanes though. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7582 Posts
On the other hand, Garen is no problem. Armor rues (not the full armor runes), giving up a few cs then letting him naturally push to tower you're free to last hit and later take him on with jungle + ult. I still think tank/cdr is the way to go except in few games where you're needed early and you can afford to go not really tanky. FH/SR should be enough. I was actually now thinking of make SR early (perhaps after Glacial Shroud if you get that item first and maybe mantle/negatron) because it's cdr and active is far better than philo's gp/5. Unless I know it's an impossible lane I also have been starting regrowth or boots. My final items vs a balanced team will be mercs, FH, FoN/QSS, SR, TF, and LW. EDIT: I also dislike Sheen only for the reasons you said. However if you do rush TF it makes you almost unstoppable split pusher, as with a negatron + mercs there probably isn't anyone who can 1v1 you. And you'll run TP many times anyway. EDIT2: as for maxing W v E, I think W is better if teamfights happen early. It may sound counter-intuitive, but putting W on anyone will cripple them, and make the AD carry useless if he/she doesn't have mercs (and even with mercs, lol). The slow numbers go up a lot, and having 11 cd with cdr will make it used very often. On the other hand, since I tend to splitpush/farm top forever, having E maxed means more damage because regardless of W level I tend to kill the person if I can. Also better for splitpushing. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Wala.Revolution
7582 Posts
No surf, not referring to you, if you're alive. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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Hexagecz
Czech Republic66 Posts
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
On September 19 2011 06:42 Eishi_Ki wrote: 21 def and flat MR runes indeed (though I still have two locked slots (lolvl 23). I was running Flash Exhaust (not convinced by TP though I should try it again). I was completely stumped :/ Tp real gud tho. Basically you get a free shop early on. If you start Dorans shield/cloth+5hp pots/negatron+2 hp pots you should be able to get a few last hits, pretty much last untill level 5-6 without giving up too many. At that point you have what, 1k? That means that you can go base, get 2 hp pots and philo or something and then return to lane without missing a lot of creeps. If soraka goes base, you gain a level on her. If she doesn't base, she can't bully you around anymore. It really helps to not get raped in lane imo. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Knowing when to let yourself get zoned and waiting for jungle ganks means it's VERY hard to truly counter nasus who has the runepages to counter their damage. Most real hard counters are just strong early game champs in general and you can lose some CS and still be fine later on. The only things that looked convincing from tournaments were akali and jax who are both great midgame but seem to rape nasus in lane. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Your wither not all that effective for 1v1ing because of her spells and it's usually not worth it just get philo frozen heart and she can't really stop you farming after that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:58 Slayer91 wrote: What's this beating nonsense? Can you farm against riven? Sure, if you're smart about which farm you get. If you walk into middle of the lane when she's level 3 and try to hit a range creep expect to lose half your hp. Just play defensive if she plays agressive (which she will) she will be wide open to the jungler since wither counters all her mini flash bullshit spells. Last time I played against riven I actually out cs'd her because she can't farm too easily at my tower and lost last hits trying to stop me farming, and she went like 0/3 because she got ganked and I got kills. Your wither not all that effective for 1v1ing because of her spells and it's usually not worth it just get philo frozen heart and she can't really stop you farming after that. I know what 'beat' refers to, trust me. My mistakes last night were not starting cloth+5 and getting an early Frozen heart (never done that before honestly). We did manage to pick up first blood on her with the help of Wither + exhaust but after that their Lee Sin was dedicated to shutting me out and down completely. By level 8 they were diving me on the tower. Essentially if I had more jungle pressure and played more defensively I might have eventually come out on top, but my farming was so gimped and the other lanes were losing as well so the jungler couldn't stick around. Don't think I had any way of coming out on top of that one but there are definitely things I could have done better. Thanks for the advice.  | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Schmieds
United States312 Posts
Is there any situation in which you'd get Ninja Tabi anymore? The only reason I got it before was because of Nimbleness and because most solotops tended to be AD. And how do you feel about QSS and Banshees? I get QSS because combining it with Shurelya's/Ghost means you never, ever die. Banshee's, on the other hand, probably helps more with overall survivability. Do you suggest ever getting either on Nasus? | ||
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