Singed doesn't have the tools to deal with it though o_O It sounds to me more like the Irelias suck, lol. No idea.

Obviously I can't ZONE the Singed but I don't find Irelia gives him "free farm."

Same for Nasus.

Edit:
Thus far the only hero I've found Irelia to NOT be able to just 1v1 straight up is Udyr post-Wriggles, unless I build a Wriggles as well (which is an option to be honest).

Edit2:
WHY DOES IT FEEL LIKE I PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME WHENEVER I TALK ABOUT HEROES I PLAY WTFFFFFFFFFFFF lol

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 14 2011 15:52 GMT

#62

On September 15 2011 00:46 Southlight wrote:
Singed doesn't have the tools to deal with it though o_O It sounds to me more like the Irelias suck, lol. No idea.

Obviously I can't ZONE the Singed but I don't find Irelia gives him "free farm."

Same for Nasus.

*shrugs*, we should just play it out.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 15:53 GMT

#63

We can try, although I think you're just flat-out better than me so I'm not sure a 1v1 would prove either of our points lol.

On a side note Wriggles on Irelia sounds pretty good.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 14 2011 15:56 GMT

#64

On September 15 2011 00:53 Southlight wrote:
We can try, although I think you're just flat-out better than me so I'm not sure a 1v1 would prove either of our points lol.

On a side note Wriggles on Irelia sounds pretty good.

Wriggle's is pretty good on anyone who attacks tbh.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 15:58 GMT

#65

Ya. Been favoring cloth+5 on Irelia of late for Tabi (yea instead of Greaves because I've been building EVER TANKIER zzz). Only issue is that pstone still better for the mana regen, dunno. Might be too expensive.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 14 2011 16:04 GMT

#66

I like regrowth + pot except in absurdly difficult low level lanes (Pantheon, Garen, Renek).

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 16:06 GMT

#67

I favor playing incredibly safe because I take it as a personal affront to losing lanes, so while I used to run Regrowth + Pot I find it easier to prevent dumb losses/destroy with more impunity by taking 5 potions, hahah.

Edit:
Incl. vs AP heroes, cuz I switch to 30 MR page instead :< #1 asshat.

Slayer91

Ireland23464 Posts

September 14 2011 16:31 GMT

#68

Don't like wriggles on Irelia except if you have a goal in mind in the laning phase. She doesn't benefit that much from the lifesteal and AD that much and it delays your wits end///triforce by a lot.

Kinda feel like she already excels in sustaining and you should focus on burst survivability and burst damage with maybe a bit of regen for anti poke.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 16:33 GMT

#69

I don't build WE/Triforce. We're talking about different heroes here unfort :>

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 14 2011 17:02 GMT

#70

yea, but our char is better =3.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 17:05 GMT

#71

Your char is so squishy and dies so fast and sux0rz :<

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#72

On September 15 2011 02:05 Southlight wrote:
Your char is so squishy and dies so fast and sux0rz :<

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 17:21 GMT

#73

Well you're losing to Singed, so... :>

SO SQUISHY. Jump in 1v5, tank everything, do 2000 damage because her skills do too much damage, profit.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 14 2011 17:28 GMT

#74

On September 15 2011 02:21 Southlight wrote:
Well you're losing to Singed, so... :>

SO SQUISHY. Jump in 1v5, tank everything, do 2000 damage because her skills do too much damage, profit.

and you're beating bad Singeds, so.... :>

Philo Hog Wit's End GA is pretty fucking tanky, you can always delay the triforce if you're not kicking ass to tank out earlier.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 17:43 GMT

#75

I've exploded with 3000 hp 150/150 before, I don't really find that build even comparably tanky :> Why people hate on tanks so much, go hit squishies. Leave me alone.

Slayer91

Ireland23464 Posts

September 14 2011 17:57 GMT

#76

A lot of people can dish out incredible damage to targets that happen to be in range (AD carries, anivia, brand, etc) so being tanky is sometimes MUCH worse than being able to instantly burst a squishy down.

I tend to go the super tanky builds when they have more of a dedicated carry team with people with CC to defend them, while if they have nocturne and some other bruiser who just dive straight into our carry line I just rape theirs with trinity force.

The whole point of the tanky dps is not letting yourself take any unnecessary damage and force their carries to become vulnerable if they want to go for you than tanks who rely on CCing squishies and letting their carries do the work.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 18:03 GMT

#77

I play tankrelia. Again, talking about different heroes. Smash and I joking about our differences.

Slayer91

Ireland23464 Posts

September 14 2011 18:11 GMT

#78

I've played your build exactly as you posted it and with wits end variations because you want it for lane a lot. The issue is that you shouldn't exclusively stick to one build for every situation irelia is so versatile it's like you say a different hero if you build her differently because she has such a versatile skill set. You can still initiate with trinty force builds you just need to farm up a fon or GA or something and make sure to GTFO as soon as you slow someone and go back in again when you can burst down a squishy or just beat up on some bruiser who's overextended while you are somewhat safe.

And I felt really stupid building zerkers I always go ninja tabi now on that build.

Also shit like atmogs+wits end-->trinity or GA (as oppsed to atmogs/fon-->randuins) deals sick ass damage while being similarly tanky to your build you just can't rambo initiate too much.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 18:15 GMT

#79

I can't play her squishy because she dies too fast and it pisses me off. When I pick Irelia I go in 100% expecting to tank and initiate lol. It's like you can play aegis and semi-squishy with Amumu and I'm sure the pstone opening and such works for plenty of people but I can't do it. :p Hence not arguing about the merits and such, just cracking jokes about SQUISHY NOU atm.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

September 25 2011 21:13 GMT

#80

I usually build Irelia with a somewhat endgame mindset (total cost of "standard' build amount to ~15k) and a "weak" midgame, going philostone->boots->sheen->brutalizer, then completing with mail/negatron if I need it, or keep building triforce, with ghostblade/Triforce/FoN/Randuin in mind.
Most Irelia(s) I see to seem to like GA, Warmog, and other stuff like that, ending up with 3k+ HP but not even 100 in each res. Also, those builds seem to focus on AD rather than AS (which I feel is better due to hiten's active).

Am I doing something wrong? My damage output is generally better and while I'm slightly easier to burst (1900~2200 HP for most of the game with 150/180 arm/res), my sustain is a lot better against dps and in the long run, so I feel like I do a better job of just diving their carry, drawing attention/fire, and either kill it or backing off for some regen before coming back a bit later.

Is it just supposed to be a different role when they build like that? Because I've got the impression that they're just inferior to mine (not trying to brag, since I adjusted it on personal tastes so it's nothing pro or stuff), still everyone's doing it so there must be a reason.