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Alaric
France45622 Posts
The suppression only allowed us to kill the carry unhindered, and then she wouldn't pose a threat all by herself. While, even without Caitlyn, I'd still be menacing to them (not 1v4 obviously, but focusing Malz would mean run the risk of almost instantly losing one squishy to me). Granted, that Irelia had like 3.7K HP but 105 arm/res max, while I had only 2500 HP but 180 in each def. But since you're limited to 6 slots... | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 30 2011 11:11 Alaric wrote: Granted, that Irelia had like 3.7K HP but 105 arm/res max There's your problem. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
Didn't think people would max E first at all... | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Not totally sure, but never remember having problems against akali. The thing with akali is you want to trade with 1 CD of her Q but run away before she gets the second, it gets a bit crazy when she hits 6 though. Also if akali gets ahead and you can't afford to try to fight back you're kinda screwed. You should see reginalds akali vs hotshot udyr, hotshot was almost dying trying to farm at tower but once he had full health even though he didn't get any cs (enough for boots and longsword) once they were both full he started winning trades. And yeah, maxing anything before W is pretty stupid. Lifesteal is 1000x better in t.lane than in teamfights, where you heal for like maybe 100 for the important part of the teamfigh | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: Not as a solution obviously, just a thought. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 01 2011 01:18 Slayer91 wrote: Are you running full MR page? Like, if you have MR quints, blues, and start null magic-->Chalice I don't see what she can do to push you out of lane. Akali falls off a lot against bruisers after first few levels. Everytime she gets you lower with harass you can just E to stun and W, 2 hits of that, Q if you're lucky and have the mana when she stealths, and then once her stealth is on CD she can't really get free trades off you. Not totally sure, but never remember having problems against akali. The thing with akali is you want to trade with 1 CD of her Q but run away before she gets the second, it gets a bit crazy when she hits 6 though. Also if akali gets ahead and you can't afford to try to fight back you're kinda screwed. You should see reginalds akali vs hotshot udyr, hotshot was almost dying trying to farm at tower but once he had full health even though he didn't get any cs (enough for boots and longsword) once they were both full he started winning trades. And yeah, maxing anything before W is pretty stupid. Lifesteal is 1000x better in t.lane than in teamfights, where you heal for like maybe 100 for the important part of the teamfigh I'm running my generalized tanky runes which give me like 52 or 54 or something starting mres. I opened regrowth, which may have been part of the problem, and it also might've been the case that I tried to commit to a fight and then saw their shaco coming and started running and got destroyed, but it just snowballs so hard after that that I saw no way back into the lane and got raped for the entire game. | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
Also Smash I was in that game (I was the Kennen on the other team that kinda sucked it up). I felt a little bad. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
With regards to Irelia I just don't think W gives enough HP back fast enough to deal with Akali's burst. You can sit there autoattacking all day and I think her Q alone is enough to pick you down faster. Just wouldn't mathematically work. I was just suggesting that maybe counter-bursting would be more effective at equalizing than trying to out-sustain it. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
@Utah: mathematically, trying to trade bursts doesn't work out in your favor either. Irelia's burst numbers pre-6 aren't really that great and it's pretty impossible to even pull them off realistically vs. cloud. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 01 2011 02:03 arnath wrote: How are you counter-bursting her though? If she runs up and Q->autos you and then uses W to hide, by the time her W is up, her Q will be back off cooldown so even if you Q->E her, she's getting 2 rounds of skills to your one. I'm pretty sure she's going to win those trades. Also Smash I was in that game (I was the Kennen on the other team that kinda sucked it up). I felt a little bad. As I said, E to stun her when she hits q on you. Run away when she shrouds the CD is pretty long and once it's down you can even just Q on top of her if you feel like you're that strong. Maxing W isn't just about the extra AD, the healing is huge, especially combined with massive resists. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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