Incidentally, you should try max Hiten vs. other tanky dps. In a sit there and smack you fight, it outperforms you other skills by a considerable margin in terms of Damage and it lets you better shrug off WW/Udyr/Yorick bullshit. Atlanta doing his Q and E bullshit gets raped by my lanewick, but everyone tells me that Wickd stomps lanewicks by just going max hiten.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

July 25 2011 17:18 GMT

#43

I think maxing W beats ww/udyr/rumble/jarvan but still loses to yorick, no one can really win exchanges vs yorick.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

July 25 2011 17:19 GMT

#44

Cool, learned something new and useful :3

Slayer91

Ireland23464 Posts

July 25 2011 17:23 GMT

#45

Meh, once you start maxing hiten first you never go back. If you are getting zoned you heal more, if you are fighting you'll do just as well anyway.

Irelia has some problems with yorick but really its your best bet. You can outlast his initial spam in the first few levels and farm and if he comitts too hard he'll take creep aggro pushing lane and allowing for an easier gank (if he continues to overextend), and after level 6 you don't have major problems anyway. (Although tears feels like bullshit you can still outlast it with philo+pots+level 5 W.

I don't understand how and why you would lane vs any melee without W max. It means irelia tends to outperform other laners because you feel zero pressure to win your lane so you focus on farming and generally get more kills because the other laner is trying to win his lane too hard.

Like for example baiting udyr into wasting stances and losing mana and having to stay in turtle for a while lets you regen at 26 per hit and regen faster than he does before wriggles.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

July 25 2011 17:24 GMT

#46

Nah, it's probably mostly that I've been picking Irelia solo only as a counterpick and only if people need me to take a solo tank, otherwise I'm usually putzing around on the other side of the map with a support hero >_o so I've never actually laned against a tanky DPS or whatnot.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

July 25 2011 17:26 GMT

#47

well, against squishies, having that frontloaded burst feels way stronger than max Hiten IMO, but yea, vs. melee, Hiten #1.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

July 25 2011 17:27 GMT

#48

Yeah I'm purely used to laning against AP heroes that just kite the shit out of you so I go for the burst and then walk back to creep and resume last hitting until I get my cooldowns back, rinse repeat lol.

Jaso

United States2147 Posts

July 25 2011 18:11 GMT

#49

Question: who's Utah? o.o

I've seen multiple references to Utah in this guide but have no clue who he is.. haha.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

July 25 2011 18:14 GMT

#50

Utah = utahime = southlight

rwrzr

United States1980 Posts

July 26 2011 15:56 GMT

#51

utah is that state with a large mormon population

broz0rs

United States2294 Posts

July 26 2011 17:09 GMT

#52

oh great another good, intelligent LoL player with an anime name.

AxelTVx

Canada916 Posts

August 31 2011 03:58 GMT

#53

Lately, has anyone noticed if Chaox's build has been working lately? Or is there another guide that's better?

Craton

United States17303 Posts

September 13 2011 23:20 GMT

#54

Is it normal for Irelia to struggle vs a singed? I went up vs one with flat mp5 yellows, so even though he blew all his mana by level 2, he regenned enough to constantly harass.

Later I just had to let him aoe the lane and farm off tower because it was impossible to ever not have a creep wave disadvantage.

I had arp reds, dodge yellows, mr/lvl blues, mvspd quints and opened regrowth+1.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

September 14 2011 00:53 GMT

#55

It's skill dependent but I think Irelia can get a decent advantage vs pre 6 Singed if you max W.

Slayer91

Ireland23464 Posts

September 14 2011 01:02 GMT

#56

Get flat mr blues and quints and start null magic +2 and singed can't do anything. Just E W him at level 3 and profit.

HyperionDreamer

Canada1528 Posts

September 14 2011 04:08 GMT

#57

With the recent buff to Eleisa's Miracle, irelia is going to have an even stronger top (this holds true for every top laner that uses mana), cause the CC reduc will synergize with her passive to basically make her immune to cc and let her spam WQE combos and single Q's pretty much all she wants.

On the subject of vs. singed, I'd just get a fast NMM or maybe even 2 NMM if I was planning on building Wits End later in addition to mercs. Use EW and profit.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 14 2011 15:22 GMT

#58

Against singed I'd go Philo-Hog-Wit's End pre-triforce. I've always been of the opinion that Irelia is a free-farm top champion who sucks vs. other free-farm top champions and is good vs. lane dominators. So yea, I really hate being vs. like, Singed/Nasus/Olaf/Etc with her because I feel like no one can kill each other and they end up stronger than Irelia off of infinity farm.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

September 14 2011 15:39 GMT

#59

I dunno, vs Singed (bearing in mind that I'm the type that goes Philo -> Regrowth (in anticipation of Warmawgz) -> Zerker -> Atma I feel like as long as I don't get lazy with positioning I can just beat him out of the lane :x