EPT[Champion] Irelia - Page 29
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LeapofFaith
United States446 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 19 2012 12:22 LeapofFaith wrote: What's the best choice for MR on Irelia now? Still wit's end. spirit visage is also strong, as is bulwalk. | ||
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TomatoShark
United States288 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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TomatoShark
United States288 Posts
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koreasilver
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On December 21 2012 03:42 koreasilver wrote: I don't really think building GA after TF is that great anymore, but I think the new masteries aren't too bad for her. I've been going 1/25/4 with decent results. Instead of GA I've been building other defensive items like Warden's Mail or an earlier Wit's End. I find that the new defensive tree makes Irelia a lot stronger past the laning phase. For shits the other day I built TF-> Wit's -> BotRK for some on-hit funtimes instead of GA. I was very pleased with the results, very bursty and still tanky, plus Q AA E AA is a lot of on-hit damage. | ||
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TomatoShark
United States288 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 18 2012 05:42 Sandster wrote: This lady is ridiculous. Huge sweeping changes to armor pen and masteries that should completely destroy Irelia? Tons of new items, none of which are good for Irelia? Still one of the best top laners in the game. I think it's just how she works in the game which makes her OP and really hard to nerf/balance. You can make her weaker, but she will still either be amazing or become useless. Passive which makes her extremely hard to peel while doing insane damage quickly to carries even if she has more or less only built defensive items, that's a combo you can't nerf away without changing her completely, and it's what makes her completely bonkers. As an ADC player myself, as long as Irelia can keep killing me every single teamfight without me (or my team) being able to do a single thing to stop it, she will be banned when I play draft. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On December 21 2012 14:20 Alaric wrote: Do you really need those 180 mana that hard? I'd rather go 9/x/4(7) for mana regen and flash mastery. But having the extra mana just makes you so much stronger in lane because you can actually trade with people while CSing on occasion with Q. Simple things like W->Qing a low minion, stun opponent->auto->Q a last hit to get away, and then as the guy retreats Q him and auto him once before walking away. That's like 200 mana expended in a single trade, and the ability to not be OOM is really really strong because irelia doesn't benefit that much from late defense IMO. | ||
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bobbob
United States368 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Lets say that you're laning against Jax, for example. http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/#7VMa8xATAPV This will make it pretty much impossible for Jax to beat you out of lane unless you fuck up catastrophically, and past laning phase you will be someone that is very hard to kite. 8% arpen and 12 ad at lvl18 isn't going to do shit for you as Irelia compared to having maxed out relentless, tenacious, reinforced armor, and honor guard. The defensive tree isn't just better for Irelia during laning, but also past laning phase. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On December 21 2012 17:33 Tobberoth wrote: I think it's just how she works in the game which makes her OP and really hard to nerf/balance. You can make her weaker, but she will still either be amazing or become useless. Passive which makes her extremely hard to peel while doing insane damage quickly to carries even if she has more or less only built defensive items, that's a combo you can't nerf away without changing her completely, and it's what makes her completely bonkers. As an ADC player myself, as long as Irelia can keep killing me every single teamfight without me (or my team) being able to do a single thing to stop it, she will be banned when I play draft. Can't confirm this. Ire does not have a amazing/useless relation to balance. Her lane-sustain was the frustrating and overpowered part of her and they fixed it. Ire is one of the best anti carries in the game but she is not a problematic champion just because of that. There will allways be matchups where certain roles of a team have a smaller impact compared to other matchups which is fine and gives the game an additional layer of depth. If you look at the game from a role perspective then you miss out on a lot of important and fun things in the game. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 21 2012 20:43 clickrush wrote: Can't confirm this. Ire does not have a amazing/useless relation to balance. Her lane-sustain was the frustrating and overpowered part of her and they fixed it. Ire is one of the best anti carries in the game but she is not a problematic champion just because of that. There will allways be matchups where certain roles of a team have a smaller impact compared to other matchups which is fine and gives the game an additional layer of depth. If you look at the game from a role perspective then you miss out on a lot of important and fun things in the game. I don't see how this is true in LoL where the meta is so extremely strict. In Dota 2, sure. You might not even have any hard carry in your composition. In LoL though? You will always have an ADC and an APC, and irelia counters them both. The opposing team really doesn't lose anything from having an Irelia. Sure, if the non-irelia team is losing and their ADC/APC are behind, Irelia brings less to the table for the teamfights since she isn't needed to instagib their carries... but who cares, they team are behind on their carries, they are losing anyway, unless their top/jungler somehow got all the kills and are actually carrying the game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On December 21 2012 19:10 bobbob wrote: Zephyr seems like it could replace Wits in a lot of builds, if they involve Ninja Tabi. The 10% MS from Zephyr is really nice. So when you build non-MR boots you replace your MR item by another one. Where's your MR?  | ||
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TomatoShark
United States288 Posts
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koreasilver
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
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