[Champion] Irelia - Page 27

On September 07 2012 19:30 rethos wrote:

Could you please go into more detail on what you mean by this? What would "as offensively as possible" mean for Irelia in your opinion?

Irelia is my most played but i don't have a good win rate on her and i'm always looking for ways to improve on her.

Edit: in hindsight since you wrote the guide, I should probably just read it again . Disregard.

On September 08 2012 06:33 Alaric wrote:
I can't even beat Irelia as Jayce, I've been picking her everytime I get top recently because I want to improve (or rather undo the crust of rust I've gathered on a lot of champs) and almost all of those games Jayce was top (picked before or after me), and I'd get fucking annoyed because I can't engage him if he doesn't stay near an almost dead minion (he's ranged so it's easy for him) as he'll simply laugh and kite backwards while harassing. And he'll only engage me in hammer form with Q, the slow making it really hard to reposition before he Es me away (or else I'd move near a wall or between his tower and him).

I end up pushed and harassed every game as there's no way you fight him early (where ranged > melee), nor at level 3-4 where he hits a window, and after that he just uses E to win trades as I can't be building boots+armor+MR all at the same time, and he can abuse his way shorter CDs and stupidly low mana costs (Hiten 15s, then choose between 14s Q cd or only 1s E stun/slow).
So he harasses me at tower and build up a lead such that I generally have to back before 6 unless a gank happens, then lose even more creeps since I'm pushed when I have to back, and he rides on that and his stupidly versatile as hell kit.


I don't even know how to spec against him, I tried 19-11, a 9-13-8 variation for more MR, armor and MS since 19-11 never catches up to him and I can never prevent him from dictating trades.
I've tried AS reds, flat armor yellows, and then either flat MR blues/quints, MR/level blues/MS quints, MR/levels blues/armor quints.
I generally start cloth+5 because he's ranged and I'll never catch him early on anyway (nor do I want to go on the offensive from the start as Irelia), tried boots->phage->wit's (ie NMM), tabi->phage->triforce, tabi->phage->MR, and though it often has to do with him getting a lead early, none of those builds seemed to give me early armor against his harass, damage/sticking power (I feel like I need the phage even though I don't remember a single situation where I got a proc that allowed me to stick to him more than one auto, bullshit MS buffs everywhere), and MR in time for his level 4-5 hammer E.

I know my mechanics are bad and the "when he attacks you, position so that he can't E you and run to his tower/E you away enough that you can't Q to him" is only a part of the solution, but people have been telling me that Irelia should beat Jayce (without telling me how, so smug) and I just can't manage to do it.

On September 08 2012 08:47 sylverfyre wrote:
1 - Jax. Press E when she presses W. It's almost too good to be true. You can outtrade her early, and you scale at least equally hard.

2 - AS slows, but Malphite (most suited AS slow for top lane) is pretty much permaban status, which lends a lot to Irelia's current popularity.

3 - Laners who trade HARD early on, with low mana costs, can give her a lot of grief - ex. Darius, Riven,or Olaf - can be played to good effect against Irelia, forcing her to lose CS in fear - but if she gets ahead of you due to ganks or misplays, she can start outtrading you and you've lost your only weapon against her. You also need to consistently trade to keep her from Hiten-sustaining back the damage. If you force her to get significant lifesteal, you're doing well - lifesteal items are not a typical preferred core for Irelia.

On September 08 2012 08:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:


Olaf and Riven get destroyed by Irelia, otherwise that's pretty much right. Jayce is good, I think volibear is good. Nasus is a hard counter.

On September 08 2012 08:55 Sufficiency wrote:


I am pretty sure Irelia counters Jayce.

On September 08 2012 09:23 cLutZ wrote:


Nasus is just inviting the jungle to camp you though.

On September 08 2012 07:19 Alaric wrote:
The thing is, you need an almost dead minion to Q to so you get the cd reset. Smart Jayce players won't allow you that by using his range to position so they can last hit without exposing themselves. He would be much easier to engage otherwise (as is, and per personal experience, I can't fight him unless he wants to or engages me).

I'll try running AD runes rather than AS/other next time. Since he disengages or put distance so easily, it's not like the additional AS will be very useful unless I get wit's or become godly at microing or something.

On September 08 2012 23:20 barbsq wrote:
in irelia vs jayce, the one who engages first loses, which is an interesting dynamic for a matchup.

edit: if a slightly boring one. Jayce can also take advantage of level 2 where he will be a bit stronger, but past that it's kinda up in the air.

On September 10 2012 06:17 gtrsrs wrote:
can you detail irelia v nasus?

On September 10 2012 06:28 TheKefka wrote:

The idea behind Irelia vs nasus is that you scale so much better with farm that it's a lane win if you go equal on farm.
She can't really kill you because when ever she uses her W you W her in return and she gets crippled.
Basically you just win the lane by farming.

On September 10 2012 07:10 sylverfyre wrote:

Eh... Irelia scales pretty well herself, and can use her Q as an auto reset when suffering the worst of the AS slow during trades. Ultimately, with auto-resetting, mercs and her passive, your W just doesn't affect Irelia as much as you need it to, and she can trade pretty hard and potentially bully you out of the lane, while matching your sustain and scaling. She's also perfectly capable of NOT pushing the lane, meaning you won't get to freeze the lane like you pretty much need to as Nasus.