EPT[Champion] Irelia - Page 28
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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rethos
Romania103 Posts
For starters here are my thoughts: Zephyr - I am torn about this item. All it's stats are useful. Tenacity will allow you to buy other boots (ninja, beserker's(?)). But the problem is that it is an almost purely offensive item. It does not have any survivability built in except for the tenacity. Tenacity is a stat that you can easily obtain from mercs and i'm not sure that allowing you to buy other boots is really worth it. CDR is also not the first stat I would want on Irelia but it won't hurt. I think this item could maybe replace TF as a big core item to rush but I don't think it can play the role of wit's end (secondary item, cheaper and has dmg + survivability) Iceborn Gauntlet - Looks nice but I am worried that there are just too many stats that are wasted. Mana and AP are kinda useless. CDR is not the best either but it's not as useless. Armor is good, the active is awesome. Maybe instead of randuins? Ravenous Hydra (Melee Only) - Maybe get for lols if you are winning. It doesn't seem that good on Irelia. Wit's End - Got a tiny bit more expensive. Should still be good. Guinsoo's Rageblade - Ah, the memories... Maybe with the new passive this item could be ok-ish. It gives some extra surviability and AS. I will buy it for shits and giggles. Randuin's Omen - Worse slow but procs on every attack. Passive still the same. Looks good. Trinity Force - Only changed a bit because of zeal nerfs. Still good. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:03 rethos wrote: Now that the new season is coming, I think we could start a discussion about new items that affect Irelia. For starters here are my thoughts: Zephyr - I am torn about this item. All it's stats are useful. Tenacity will allow you to buy other boots (ninja, beserker's(?)). But the problem is that it is an almost purely offensive item. It does not have any survivability built in except for the tenacity. Tenacity is a stat that you can easily obtain from mercs and i'm not sure that allowing you to buy other boots is really worth it. CDR is also not the first stat I would want on Irelia but it won't hurt. I think this item could maybe replace TF as a big core item to rush but I don't think it can play the role of wit's end (secondary item, cheaper and has dmg + survivability) Iceborn Gauntlet - Looks nice but I am worried that there are just too many stats that are wasted. Mana and AP are kinda useless. CDR is not the best either but it's not as useless. Armor is good, the active is awesome. Maybe instead of randuins? Ravenous Hydra (Melee Only) - Maybe get for lols if you are winning. It doesn't seem that good on Irelia. Wit's End - Got a tiny bit more expensive. Should still be good. Guinsoo's Rageblade - Ah, the memories... Maybe with the new passive this item could be ok-ish. It gives some extra surviability and AS. I will buy it for shits and giggles. Randuin's Omen - Worse slow but procs on every attack. Passive still the same. Looks good. Trinity Force - Only changed a bit because of zeal nerfs. Still good. Zephyr - I could see this as a 3rd item instead of wits, after GA against heavy AD comps where you'd want to keep tabi's. I don't think it will replace TF, the phage proc+burst from sheen is too good to not get. iceborn - No. She already has E slow/stun, a gap closer that applies onhits, and probably getting AS for more chances of phage procs. FH is better in almost every way if you get glacial. Hydra - If you get fed I could see you getting this. Allows you to waveclear without blowing ulti or tons of mana, and lifesteal is nice. She does have the AA reset to take advantage of proccing it if you can initiate without using Q. wits - still best vs lots of magic Rageblade - Maw+hydra+this+trinity+GA+boots. Become a god the moment you drop below 50%, as your sustain massively increases. Randuin's - Still a core item on most bruisers IMO. | ||
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rethos
Romania103 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:22 Amui wrote: Zephyr - I could see this as a 3rd item instead of wits, after GA against heavy AD comps where you'd want to keep tabi's. I don't think it will replace TF, the phage proc+burst from sheen is too good to not get. iceborn - No. She already has E slow/stun, a gap closer that applies onhits, and probably getting AS for more chances of phage procs. FH is better in almost every way if you get glacial. Hydra - If you get fed I could see you getting this. Allows you to waveclear without blowing ulti or tons of mana, and lifesteal is nice. She does have the AA reset to take advantage of proccing it if you can initiate without using Q. wits - still best vs lots of magic Rageblade - Maw+hydra+this+trinity+GA+boots. Become a god the moment you drop below 50%, as your sustain massively increases. Randuin's - Still a core item on most bruisers IMO. Iceborn has an aoe slow and therefore I think it's more alike randuins only it procs once every 2 seconds. I think if this item did not have mana / ap as a big portion of it's price it would be very very very good on Irelia. I don't really see myself buying Zephyr third. I don't know if you can afford buying that late an item that does not have some defensive stats. Maybe it is worth mentioning that Zephir + Phage ~ TF from a cost perspective. So instead of the sheen (that only really gives you some burst, and maybe the mana is a bit relevant) you can get a lot of other stats. Phage can then turn into frozen mallet (or maybe triforce but you become to squishy). | ||
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koreasilver
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
The thing is the old build seems still nice to use with the TF and GA but i cant help but wonder maybe, with conjunction with the new masteries, maybe Zephir/FM would do nicely (assuming you went ?/21/?). Trade off 25% lost of the sheen proc with Zephir (remember TF does 150 while zephir does 125) for a crap ton of health.So maybe the trick of building Irelia is to utilize the new masteries (Legendary armour - 6% bonus MR and armour / juggernaut - bonus 4% hp) or just follow the whole "GA tanky" idea and go: GA, TF, Hydra, Rageblade ^^seems pretty nice especially with these items it will make you a god after the GA proc. Go in, hydra active, pwn with lifesteal, GA proc, pwn some more and maybe hydra active if up | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
I don't really like hydra on irelia; If you want a damage + lifesteal item, get BotRK instead since it has an on-hit, and still gives ridiculous sustain. It's also a lot cheaper. It's especially useful early on against a health-tank in top lane (volibear/olaf/shen). Now, I do think the new rageblade has potential. The new passive increases her sustain by quite a bit. Keep in mind that spell vamp works with true damage, so 10% spell vamp + lifesteal is pretty big. I don't think it's as good as tri-force/GA though, so it's a late-game offense item. I like zephyr too. The big reason zephyr is good though is because it builds out of stinger, which is amazing on irelia. Build stinger early, wait until late-game to upgrade to zephyr. I'm thinking something like phage -> stinger -> tri-force -> GA. Question about GA/rageblade: do you count as being "in combat" while GA is reviving you? | ||
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rethos
Romania103 Posts
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
I've already tried a phage -> Zephyr -> wits end -> FM -> GA build and it wasn't bad, but it definitly didn't feel as strong as TF/GA | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
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rethos
Romania103 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:44 triangle wrote: What do people think of Statikk Shiv on Irelia? Get avarice blade for the gold and then get it after phage or something. I tried it once on PBE. It really feels underwhelming. You don't get charges fast enough and I really don't see why you would buy it over Zephyr. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
Looking for an Irelia build that doesnt include a sheen. So Berserkers>Zephyr>Randuins>Wits End>and finally a Statikk Shiv for the lolz looks promising at least! | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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kkkthnksbye
2 Posts
http://www.lolking.net/guides/28976 Updating my own guide about Irelia if anybody wants to take a look, I feel Zephyr is only an option if you don't get mercury treads. I prefer Wits over shiv, it's like a nerfed Ionic Spark to me. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
I can see it working really, really well if you have a tanky/zone control teammate like a jungle mumu or hecarim or a taric or leona support. On the other hand, if you have no such assistance, it's infeasible. With all the other changes, I really feel that makes irelia infeasible herself. She just can't get in and fuck people over as easily now, since supports are tankier and carries are harder to lock onto now with crucible, shard and scimitar plus more midgame damage. You're going to either have to stack damage and assassinate, or duel bruisers. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
So many new things to try, so don't be afraid to go nuts and experiment with wierd shit. I mean, I think trinity force rush is still pretty mandatory on her, but you can mix up how you get there and what you do after it. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Still one of the best top laners in the game. | ||
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