EPT[Champion] Irelia - Page 18
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 01 2012 15:08 Ushio wrote: How to play vs riven? she just stuns destroys me then proceeds to run away and I cant do anything about it sit on cloth armor, get wriggle's, zone her off of cs. standard Irelia matchup. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
Irelia is by far my favourite champion (especially with Aviator skin <3) but my problem is that in my first 4 games, there has been someone as first picked who instalocked another top lane champion (Renekton, Garen, Riven etc) which saddens me greatly. I can play some mid champions (Ahri, Morg, Lux, Ryze, TF) "decently", jungling (Nocturne, WW, Rammus, GP) and support (Sona, Janna) but they're not even close to as fun as Irelia. So my question is: is Irelia at all usable as a jungler or mid lane? I did jungling once in the old jungle (was @ level 20 tho) and it seemed fine, but when I tried it in a normal game yesterday everyone would constantly bash at me even though I feel I did a good job (only 2 failed ganks, managed to keep up farm etc), we won pretty decisively and I even managed to steal their buffs a couple of times. I just want more Irelia in my LoL gaming, please help. :< | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23465 Posts
I'm a pretty big irelia fan so I'll list some of my favourite champions in other positions: Jungle: Udyr, Skarner, Lee sin (but im bad at him QQ), Riven (better top but so broken she works in jungle np), Amumu, Xin zhao Mid: Karma, Ryze, Vlad. Support: Sona, Soraka (with tanky builds and runes/masteries. Sona gets really fun when you get the hang of only taking damage your tank items let you outlast with W and run around dealing damage and healing and using passive on people) AD (although I HATE AD, prefer to play bruiser+support bottom): Ashe, Caitlyn. (I just pretend im a sniper all the time it makes it more bearable and stops me going rambo and dying everywhere) All these champions are pretty tanky (assuming you max shield first or second on lee sin and riven) so they might be similar enough to play. Generally you should try to get Irelia as much as possible and make her your best champ for ranked but really you should be able to have champions you like in other lanes. | ||
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Owned Noob
United States731 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On January 19 2012 12:14 Owned Noob wrote: so what do you guys think is the ideal build for irelia? irelia is my favorite champion by far and recently ive been changing up my item build with her, but i havent quite nailed whats the best way to go. what do you guys think? i like going phage/atmas, but with the release of ionic spark, i tried out wits/spark and its pretty good as well. what do you prefer or is old wriggles/wits still king? basically dont build wriggles unless you have to. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
EC generally kinda sucks and has no synergy with Irelia BT and Starks are larger investments than Irelia can afford until like 4th item at the earliest Cutlass is a deadend item to Irelia because gunblade isn't worth it and for a dead end item, it's pretty meh compared to wriggle's leaving Wriggle's as like, the de facto lifesteal item. this applies to basically everyone who wants lifesteal other than riven, pantheon, and ranged carries. Wriggle's is basically really efficient and gives relevant stats, while the rest of the lifesteal items in the game all fell pretty damn niche (except bloodthirster, but you need crazy AD scaling and some range to afford the early 3K). | ||
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Owned Noob
United States731 Posts
On January 19 2012 12:40 zulu_nation8 wrote: A lot of different builds work on Irelia but ideally triforce core still seems best. If you have to blind pick a top in solo queue, Irelia is one of the safest choices. yeah i always get triforce at some point but early on i like to vary my builds. hmm seems like wriggles is still pretty good. i just feel that with a couple dblades you can get items alot earlier and you get a little bit of life steal. i mean with irelia you already have like 30 natural lifesteal so although the life steal is really good, it just feels unnecessary most of the time. ill have to try it again because its been a while since i really needed one since i really only got it when i needed it | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
2 still ain't cuttin' it 3 wtf happened to my item slots what do you mean by 30 natural lifesteal? at level 5 her w heals for 26 per hit which isn't bad, but imagine that amount compounded with the lifesteal you get from another source a la wriggles. It makes you deceptively tankier when fighting someone just by continuing to attack them. And sometimes there comes a point where irelia will lifesteal more damage than your opponent can dps and from there on out you can either zone your opponent or force 2 people to handle your lane, relieving pressure on the rest of the map for your team. Buying wriggles or another significant source of lifesteal can allow you to approach this point sooner. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On January 19 2012 16:17 De4ngus wrote: I'm just saying that irelia dominates a lot of matchups without needing wriggles. having a faster triforce, atmas, wits end, ga, etc is better than wriggles if you can own the lane without it. players who use irelia a lot like wickd, hotshot, voyboy, soaz all do not build wriggles on irelia. phage is the item to get asap imo along with defensive boots. Pretty much this, with phage, your opponent really can't lane against you (one phage proc when he tries to get away could mean certain death). If you don't need wriggles to sustain in the lane, get phage (or wit's end) instead. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:17 Slayer91 wrote: Forgot to say thanks for the advice! >_< Decided to try out Udyr and he's very exciting to jungle with, and Ahri and Cait are pretty darn fun too (they cost me a boatload though...T_T) Irelia is ok at laning mid but really leaves no place for an AP champion and is not advised. Irelia is a very slow jungler and it should be avoided. I suggest just trying out more champions that are more suited for the role you would prefer to play. I'm a pretty big irelia fan so I'll list some of my favourite champions in other positions: Jungle: Udyr, Skarner, Lee sin (but im bad at him QQ), Riven (better top but so broken she works in jungle np), Amumu, Xin zhao Mid: Karma, Ryze, Vlad. Support: Sona, Soraka (with tanky builds and runes/masteries. Sona gets really fun when you get the hang of only taking damage your tank items let you outlast with W and run around dealing damage and healing and using passive on people) AD (although I HATE AD, prefer to play bruiser+support bottom): Ashe, Caitlyn. (I just pretend im a sniper all the time it makes it more bearable and stops me going rambo and dying everywhere) All these champions are pretty tanky (assuming you max shield first or second on lee sin and riven) so they might be similar enough to play. Generally you should try to get Irelia as much as possible and make her your best champ for ranked but really you should be able to have champions you like in other lanes. But luckily I'm finally getting to play Irelia @ top a lot more now (everyone seems to want to jungle, or mid ~~) as I get FP often so everything's good. :D | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 19 2012 16:17 De4ngus wrote: I'm just saying that irelia dominates a lot of matchups without needing wriggles. having a faster triforce, atmas, wits end, ga, etc is better than wriggles if you can own the lane without it. players who use irelia a lot like wickd, hotshot, voyboy, soaz all do not build wriggles on irelia. phage is the item to get asap imo along with defensive boots. like who? irelia's early levels at top are pretty shakey in most matchups, I'm not sure I understand what matchups you're talking about. the only one I can really think of is Nasus, but I get fast double gold/10 vs. him anyway to give myself a gold lead so that I can keep up with his scaling since Irelia really can't zone him off of cs at any point. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23465 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Revive
United States10 Posts
On January 20 2012 00:26 Mogwai wrote: like who? irelia's early levels at top are pretty shakey in most matchups, I'm not sure I understand what matchups you're talking about. the only one I can really think of is Nasus, but I get fast double gold/10 vs. him anyway to give myself a gold lead so that I can keep up with his scaling since Irelia really can't zone him off of cs at any point. Irelia beats pretty much all the popular NA top laners like GP, udyr, yorick, and tryn. The key to being dominant in lane is attack speed. If you haven't already tried it, see the difference of using a +31% attack speed rune page compared to a 25 armor pen. Starting at level 3 to 9, you will beat nearly every champion in a standoff 1v1 situation due to your W. Assuming you have 9/21/0 masteries and you bought cloth armor to start, the passive heal on hit from W at level 1 is 10/59.6 = 16.8% lifesteal. For comparison, Nasus' passive is 14% lifesteal. It gets even better, assuming you haven't bought an AD item yet at level 9 with a maxed out W, you're healing for the equivalent of 26/86 = 30.2% lifesteal. Bottom line is if you want more sustain in lane, don't buy a wriggles, buy attack speed. Whether it's zeal or recurve bow depending on if you are going tri force or wit's/phage/atma's, an attack speed item not only increases your sustainability, but it also makes you stronger in a 1v1 compared to someone like GP or udyr with a wriggles. The other reason why wriggles is a bad choice for sustain is because of the proc. That's just more damage done to the minions that you aren't healing off of, very counter productive. Because of the fact that you're so strong 1v1, I prefer not building gp/5s. You can start denying with just an early ninja tabi. Once you get a phage you're basically a kill threat to the enemy top as soon as he approaches the minions to last hit. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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