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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 21:34:15
January 10 2011 21:32 GMT
#81
I open QWQWQ on solos, lol. W is a really underrated ability. It lets you cheat on runes with like MPen/Armor/MRes/HP, and you just sit there and auto-attack like a noob to keep mana high and they can't do jack shit about it and when they do you get the equivalent of ArPen Marks to aid in the auto-attack fight. Having W is also awesome for when you have a tear of the goddess to pump it up.

EDIT: Speaking of which, I've been considering going ArPen on my Marks with Kass, as I think that 15 ArPen might end up being a bigger deal in laning than the 9 MPen later when I'm getting a Void Staff anyway.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 21:48:32
January 10 2011 21:44 GMT
#82
I haven't actually tried QWQWQ, so I can't actually comment on how good it is, lol. I do know I prefer having at least 1 rank of W, simply because low-ranked E just doesn't do a whole lot for you in laning, while W is quite useful.

On January 11 2011 06:32 Mogwai wrote:
EDIT: Speaking of which, I've been considering going ArPen on my Marks with Kass, as I think that 15 ArPen might end up being a bigger deal in laning than the 9 MPen later when I'm getting a Void Staff anyway.

Do you get Sorc Boots on Kass? Because IMO that 9 MPen makes the biggest difference when its taking them from 10 MR to 1 (e.g. that window between when you have Sorc Boots, but they don't have any MR sources yet).

Because I play with/against baddies, that window tends to be reasonably large, so I find I like having that 9 MPen, but its probably much smaller against people who know wtf they're doing.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 10 2011 21:50 GMT
#83
yea, I usually go merc treads to make myself as difficult to kill as possible. I agree that 29 mpen vs. 30 MRes is beast as hell, but I just don't get situations like that. Most people I lane against have early treads or negatron or base MRes growth. My build is VERY much about the late game, it's really slow but it's also excellent at just sitting in lane farming to the point it needs to get. I guess I'm heavily influenced by growing up around Utah's initiating snarebot Kass -_-.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 10 2011 22:35 GMT
#84
On January 11 2011 06:16 Slayer91 wrote:
You don't bother getting W as kassadin until like level 13 and even then you never use it. Play him like your typical AP champ.

Always get it somewhat early. Spam to keep your E up. Spam to fill your tear.
I used to spam it even more back when I built Locket on Kassadin :p
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
January 13 2011 11:59 GMT
#85
If you can´t even lane with Kassadin without W you should stop playing him, skilling W slows his snowballing.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
January 13 2011 14:07 GMT
#86
yea i always feel like in the midgame i need to do alot as kass, which means i need moar damage. so alot of the time i forget to put points into W. idk then again ive never tried going W before E
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 15:49:07
January 13 2011 15:48 GMT
#87
Wow so much hate for W.

I doubt 1 rank in E is huge enough to "slow down his snowballing", though it may depend on playstyle.
W (and in consequence doran's shield) helps a lot in dueling but E is more teamfight oriented skill
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 13 2011 15:55 GMT
#88
I just don't snowball with Kass. I build for late game and it's simply about lasting until my build kicks in.
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Awesomo
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands206 Posts
January 13 2011 16:38 GMT
#89
Shield->catalyst->sorc boots->rabadons->chug elixers->end all games before 30 minutes.
Sick life.

W; one point wonder imo. One point at lvl 2 and never run out of mana.
I have an ice-cold beer, everything is possible.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 13 2011 16:42 GMT
#90
I've been running shield -> boots -> Cata -> Tear -> rabadons + Merc -> RoA -> Archangels, with elixir pump after finishing rabadons. I've also shifted to QWQEQR -> R > Q = E (depends on the lane) > W (rather than getting 2 early points in W). Kass is just so fucking mana hungry that I have an impossible time giving up the tear.
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Awesomo
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands206 Posts
January 13 2011 17:38 GMT
#91
I run mp5/lvl yellows and blues, and dont really have any problems with mana.
On a related note: i dont have the ip for magic pen reds, so im running my arpen ones. ez farm and hitting a champ for 60dmg while getting mana back? yes please.

Oh and merc threads<sorc boots imoimo, but that's because i run ghost/cleanse.
I have an ice-cold beer, everything is possible.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 13 2011 17:40 GMT
#92
On January 13 2011 20:59 mercurial wrote:
If you can´t even lane with Kassadin without W you should stop playing him, skilling W slows his snowballing.

I don't know how you can say this, and at the same time make this comment in the Kennen thread:

On January 10 2011 18:28 mercurial wrote:
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On January 10 2011 08:37 myopia wrote:
if Kassadin builds properly (0-9-21, opening dshield), and plays properly (Kennen's Q is a skillshot, Kassadin's is not - this is a big deal), Kennen doesn't have much of a chance.


congrats, you've never played against a kennen that knows he should skill W over Q at lvl 3/4 for cooldown and damage purposes.

Implying that Kass should get owned in lane by Kennen.

It's not about W being a crutch during laning--it's about 1 or 2 points in W having the ability to noticeably affect certain lane matchups off of your ability to really push damage through your autoattacks.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 13 2011 17:44 GMT
#93
On January 14 2011 02:38 Awesomo wrote:
I run mp5/lvl yellows and blues, and dont really have any problems with mana.
On a related note: i dont have the ip for magic pen reds, so im running my arpen ones. ez farm and hitting a champ for 60dmg while getting mana back? yes please.

Oh and merc threads<sorc boots imoimo, but that's because i run ghost/cleanse.

I run ghost + cleanse too, I just am really really aggressive with baiting fights as Kassadin, so I build incredibly safe. Cleanse is for the initial CC as you bait and Merc Treads are for the subsequent CC that happens as the fight drags out.
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Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 18:06:06
January 13 2011 18:02 GMT
#94
On January 14 2011 02:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 20:59 mercurial wrote:
If you can´t even lane with Kassadin without W you should stop playing him, skilling W slows his snowballing.

I don't know how you can say this, and at the same time make this comment in the Kennen thread:

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 18:28 mercurial wrote:
On January 10 2011 08:37 myopia wrote:
if Kassadin builds properly (0-9-21, opening dshield), and plays properly (Kennen's Q is a skillshot, Kassadin's is not - this is a big deal), Kennen doesn't have much of a chance.


congrats, you've never played against a kennen that knows he should skill W over Q at lvl 3/4 for cooldown and damage purposes.

Implying that Kass should get owned in lane by Kennen.

It's not about W being a crutch during laning--it's about 1 or 2 points in W having the ability to noticeably affect certain lane matchups off of your ability to really push damage through your autoattacks.


Those comments prove a point not contradict eachother.

In 1 comment I'm talking about kassadin not being able to beat kennen when he skills W because if you farm you take 2 MOTS and can easily combine into a 3rd which then results in taking the 1st mots that starts the chain again.

And in the other comment I am talking about how skilling W slows down kassadin.
(notice how even if you look at them that I'm actually saying that if you skill W as kassadin and rely more on melee you will get hit more by Kennen)

Hmmm.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 18:25:47
January 13 2011 18:24 GMT
#95
So Kennen's just going to forsake last hitting to save his W passive proc so that he can trade W passive proc + W active with Kassadin's Q? Kass wins these trades on the back of SoS's regen in my experience (not to mention his Q does more than that Kennen shit at level 3+ AND he has his imba passive to soften the blow).
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
January 13 2011 18:45 GMT
#96
apparently kennen's don't have shurikens or lightning rushes
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
January 13 2011 18:54 GMT
#97
Apparently Kennens have infinite energy too, this is reminding me of Shikyo's verbal spars with Uta.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 18:58:09
January 13 2011 18:56 GMT
#98
your team must hate you at dragon fights, where kassadin can absolutely break the game with maxed E at level 9. so broken.

it also makes farming easymode when you can E an entire wave instead of sitting around and auto attacking all of them, waste of time

referring to people that dont level E
Brees on in
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
January 13 2011 19:02 GMT
#99
On January 14 2011 03:56 Brees wrote:
your team must hate you at dragon fights, where kassadin can absolutely break the game with maxed E at level 9. so broken.

it also makes farming easymode when you can E an entire wave instead of sitting around and auto attacking all of them, waste of time

referring to people that dont level E

How exactly do you max E by level 9 without feeding/getting no farm in lane?
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 19:12:03
January 13 2011 19:11 GMT
#100
Kennen's have infinite energy till they hit lvl ~6 unless your a retard who spams lightning rush.

also, I use energy quints & yellows so its quite easy to spam for me.
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