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On July 19 2011 21:34 clickrush wrote:
I get E over Q because:
1. its an AoE
2. the damage gain/level is higher Q's
3. the cooldown is lower than Q's and when the teamfights start you have the stacks up all the times anyways.
While all these are true, good luck not getting forced out of lane when your Q is rank 1 at level 4. Any half-decent laner can bully the shit out of you when they know your Q is weak and your E isn't charged.
On July 19 2011 21:34 clickrush wrote:
4. nashors tooth (i get fiendish before dcap actually)
No.
Why do people feel the need to buy CDR on mana-using AP carries? Get blue buff like you're supposed to and stop itemizing a cost-ineffective stat.
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On July 19 2011 22:24 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:34 clickrush wrote:
I get E over Q because:
1. its an AoE
2. the damage gain/level is higher Q's
3. the cooldown is lower than Q's and when the teamfights start you have the stacks up all the times anyways. While all these are true, good luck not getting forced out of lane when your Q is rank 1 at level 4. Any half-decent laner can bully the shit out of you when they know your Q is weak and your E isn't charged. Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:34 clickrush wrote:
4. nashors tooth (i get fiendish before dcap actually) No. Why do people feel the need to buy CDR on AP carries? Get blue buff like you're supposed to and stop itemizing a cost-ineffective stat.
well I cannot allways have blue up can I.
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On July 19 2011 22:33 clickrush wrote:
well I cannot allways have blue up can I.
No, but that doesn't suddenly make buying 25% CDR a good idea when you only benefit from it 1/3 of the time.
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I'm just gonna put it out there that CDR isn't that great on Kass. His E ability is dependant upon the champs around him and his ult demands way too much mana if it is spammed. That's why blue is so great, because the regen allows you to spam due to increased mana and cdr. As for blue on other AP carries, i have no clue. I get about 15 % from runes alone and I'm never a stickler for getting 40 percent. I'm usually happy anywheres between 25 and 40.
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On July 19 2011 22:36 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 22:33 clickrush wrote:
well I cannot allways have blue up can I. No, but that doesn't suddenly make buying 25% CDR a good idea when you only benefit from it 1/3 of the time.
i dont understand how you do not profit 100% of the time? On my build i swapped cdr/lvl blues into ap/lvl to calculate in blue. you only have bluebuff for a fraction of the time since it needs time to get it, its not allways up, it can be lost and you have to protect the golems as well.
mb when I'am playing with a strong jungler mate then I can consider getting sth else. but atm nashors seems a good idea. still have to test it though. I ended most games very quickly where I tried this.
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Even if the 25% CDR was good on Kassadin, Nashor's straight up is BAD on him. The 50% AS is completely wasted, there goes ~1300 gold. Better CDR items on Kass would be Morello's, DFG, Kindlegem/Shurelia's. Still not really anything you would want too desperately. The BEST CDR item on Kassadin is Blue Elixier.
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On July 19 2011 23:04 [Agony]x90 wrote:
I'm just gonna put it out there that CDR isn't that great on Kass. His E ability is dependant upon the champs around him and his ult demands way too much mana if it is spammed. That's why blue is so great, because the regen allows you to spam due to increased mana and cdr. As for blue on other AP carries, i have no clue. I get about 15 % from runes alone and I'm never a stickler for getting 40 percent. I'm usually happy anywheres between 25 and 40.
Blue buff is 25%@18, so with that rune/mastery setup, you're hitting the cap nicely anyway.
On July 19 2011 23:04 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 22:36 TheYango wrote:On July 19 2011 22:33 clickrush wrote:
well I cannot allways have blue up can I. No, but that doesn't suddenly make buying 25% CDR a good idea when you only benefit from it 1/3 of the time. i dont understand how you do not profit 100% of the time? On my build i swapped cdr/lvl blues into ap/lvl to calculate in blue. you only have bluebuff for a fraction of the time since it needs time to get it, its not allways up, it can be lost and you have to protect the golems as well. mb when I'am playing with a strong jungler mate then I can consider getting sth else. but atm nashors seems a good idea. still have to test it though. I ended most games very quickly where I tried this.
Blue spawns every 5 minutes and lasts 3:15 with utility mastery. If you're getting it in a timely fashion, that means you have it 2/3 of the time, and during that time, your CDR is capped (or at least within a blue elixir of cap) without any items. The times where you lose blue buff/get it stolen should even out with the times where you stole it/killed the enemy blue holder.
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And if you're sufficiently low ELO you can pretty much rely on the enemy blue buff being up too.
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ok last game my team consistently got me bluebuff. I finished the game with dcap AGAIN so I dont even know yet if the whole thing actually works out or not. nontheless, roa, mercs, dcap is pretty good.
but this time i felt alittle more W power because I reached lvl 16. His new W is pretty strong with that much ap you get around 100ish bonus damage. its basicly an additional nuke you can use when the situation allows it. but the more i think about it and read your posts the less I like the idea of boosting his AS at all. rageblade seems meh too because I'am not sure if kass keeps the stacks up without getting oom.
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I don't think you understand rageblade very well.
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