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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 06 2010 08:43 GMT
#21
I usually just get it as a survivability item later in the game, and turn it into a second RoA charge-time be-damned for extra AP. So it's definitely not early, and is after a significant number of items (something like Cata -> SS -> RoA -> ZRing -> Void Staff -> Cata -> RoA, for instance). I dunno.
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symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
November 06 2010 08:47 GMT
#22
Alright, I'll give that a try. Thanks for the help!
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-06 08:48:49
November 06 2010 08:48 GMT
#23
The key is to maintain Golem buff and be a bit more frugal with Riftwalking, but again it's a playstyle issue. If you like charging up your Rift prior to a fight and blasting people with a 4-5 stack Rift then obviously you have a pressing need for something like Tears.

It's a playstyle you can choose to do, and if it keeps working for you then by all means go for it.
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symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-06 08:58:10
November 06 2010 08:57 GMT
#24
Yeah I'll be doing some experimenting tomorrow to see which style I want to lean towards.

I'm going to try something similar to the last build you mentioned and then

doran's shield + hp
tear
boots 1
SS
cata
RoA
sorcerer's
AA
zhonya's
void staff

I think the rift walk spam might be too ingrained in my head to get away from now but I'll have to wait and see what I think later today when I try them out.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-06 09:01:35
November 06 2010 09:00 GMT
#25
Remember, you can do something, and when it starts to not work as well as you go up the ladder, you'll hopefully have gotten a better and better understanding of the game and pros and cons of different builds to start adjusting. I didn't get to my build from the start, it's what I tweaked into "what I like best," and is why my guide has a giant list of items you can get, and is also why I don't force anyone to get a specific item

In other words, don't feel compelled to take an item/skill build from a "top player" just because they posted it. It's more important for you to understand the thinking process behind their choices, look at what your opinion is, and learn from it. That's my philosophy is, anyways.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
November 06 2010 14:17 GMT
#26
we should do a soraka kass lane
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
November 06 2010 14:17 GMT
#27
speaking of which why dont u just link ur kass youtube vids here
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 06 2010 16:41 GMT
#28
'Cause they're old and aren't me actually soloing (yeah I apparently haven't recorded any games of me playing a solo lane seriously :/)
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Pandonetho
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada321 Posts
November 06 2010 21:27 GMT
#29
0/9/21 non-negotiable. He needs the summoner spells (esp. Cleanse), he needs buff duration, he needs meditation, and he needs SoS.


Just curious, don't you need 12 points in defense to get cleanse?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 06 2010 21:34 GMT
#30
21 Util gives CDR for Cleanse~
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 06 2010 21:37 GMT
#31
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
November 07 2010 01:18 GMT
#32
Hey Uta, what are some notable solo matchups for Kass? Who does he absolutely stomp? Who does he lose to?
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
November 07 2010 01:22 GMT
#33
On November 07 2010 10:18 Tooplark wrote:
Hey Uta, what are some notable solo matchups for Kass? Who does he absolutely stomp? Who does he lose to?

He stomps most casters, loses to trist. And since the new champs and other changes from the beginning of s1 there are champs that you just won't win or lose against, especially those like sion who will instagib your wave and push like nothing, the ones you level E over Q because you're in serious risk of losing your tower without anyone getting low on health.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 07 2010 02:56 GMT
#34
He doesn't lose to Trist per se, it's like Ashe in that it's very much a skill vs skill matchup. The better player (or the player more on his game) will win. Same goes for MF. Generally you'll see a stalemate at equal skill.

He stomps a lot of sub-par ranged heroes like Kayle, many casters, that sort of goodies. He'll also generally demolish melee heroes, so don't even try.

He gets wrecked by Kog'Maw - there's nothing you can do except go away.

Creep-clearing heroes (Galio, Morgana) are annoying but you can end up zoning them because you're still a stronger 1v1 hero. They'll make the creep come for you though but clearing yours really quickly.

Healers (Taric, Soraka, Nidalee, etc.) give him fits.
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sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
November 07 2010 03:43 GMT
#35
Healers give everyone fits =[

i didn't realize you max Q before E, i always kinda thought that E was your main nuke (greater base damage + scaling) and you just max Q till level 6 then E after, does it not make any sense to level them in conjunction? actually i guess if you play him as a poker instead of a burster that makes sense.

thanks for guide.
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
November 07 2010 03:52 GMT
#36
Has anyone tried a really quick double RoA build?

I did:
doran's shield + hp
cata
boots 1
SS
RoA
sorcerer's
cata
RoA
GA
zhonya

and it worked surprisingly well.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 07 2010 05:10 GMT
#37
Double RoA is pretty good.

I think leveling Q or E depends on the range you like to fight at, but you can make a compelling argument to level Q to ~3 and then max E.
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Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
November 07 2010 05:54 GMT
#38
On November 07 2010 12:52 symbolic wrote:
Has anyone tried a really quick double RoA build?

I did:
doran's shield + hp
cata
boots 1
SS
RoA
sorcerer's
cata
RoA
GA
zhonya

and it worked surprisingly well.


This is the kind of build I use now that I saw utah do it ingame cept I go SS before boots 1, and zhonya before GA.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 07 2010 07:51 GMT
#39
My most recent Kass game went Shield -> Cata -> Boot -> Sorc -> SS -> Cata -> RoA -> RoA -> NLR -> Blasting

I used the build because I wasn't able to farm, wasn't inclined to farm (heavy fighting), and I was doing some nasty initiating all game so I needed to be able to survive and last a while. For instance, when we tried to initiate mid I literally waltzed through their whole team, and when I was told we didn't truly engage yet because they weren't bunched, I jumped onto their Corki and snared him, FORCING their team to bunch up.

I also survived that fight.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 07 2010 08:35 GMT
#40
Food for thought, by the way:

[3:30:39] nightseternal: so my belief is that
[3:30:54] nightseternal: it's not even possible to stalemate a lane with kassadin against a good ranged dps player
[3:31:36] nightseternal: cuz basically
[3:31:38] nightseternal: for a minute
[3:31:46] nightseternal: they just push you back from creep
[3:31:51] nightseternal: while last-hitting
[3:31:56] nightseternal: and they'll inevitably get whittled down
[3:32:02] nightseternal: from your Q + all thec reep hitting them
[3:32:12] nightseternal: but if you're good, like regi, smgzy, and a lot of such players
[3:32:17] nightseternal: all you do is chug potions
[3:32:22] nightseternal: while abusing this minute or so of lasting-hitting
[3:32:24] nightseternal: then you go back
[3:32:32] Shakedrizzle: yea he backed so many times
[3:32:36] Shakedrizzle: and had like 4 pots
[3:32:37] nightseternal: and during this period the threat of your tower being pushed is next to nil cuz kassadin can't actually push the creep
[3:32:41] nightseternal: and if kassadin backs
[3:32:43] nightseternal: he backs with no gold
[3:32:48] nightseternal: so the only way for kass to stay even
[3:32:54] nightseternal: is to take adv of absence and last-hit,which is why i did
[3:32:58] nightseternal: but eventually he just out-lasted me
[3:33:06] nightseternal: by nature of his 4 backs vs my one while i tried to finish farming cat
[3:33:13] nightseternal: and finally when i finished cat i started demolishing him but
[3:33:19] nightseternal: by that opint it looked like 100 vs 40 cs
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